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Ive said from day 1 that I fancy Golovkin to win this one but over the last few months ive slowly switched to Alvarez, purely based on their last couple pf performances, sure GGG has been in with better fighters in Brook and Jacobs but Canelo looked flawless in beating Smith and Chavez Jr and in a 50/50 fight like this, that is all its took to sway me the other way

I thought Golovkin lost to Jacobs TBH he's definitely lost a bit of zip in his work, people are convinced he allows himself to be hit because he doesn't respect his opponents power but I'm not convinced, its probably part of his aura that makes people believe he's a machine uncapable of feeling pain

He cant afford to do that against Alvarez or he'll get stopped IMO, I think Canelo is in his prime right now, his team have picked the perfect time to face Golovkin, he's really developed into an incredible all round boxer, he's never gonna like movers but GGG is no mover unless you count moving forward

Golovkin showed against Lemieux he can be patient and wait for his opening as the other guy tires, Canelo is a patient fighter himself though, doesn't waste much and throws hard crisp shots which break fighters down bit by bit

I think this goes down to the wire in a very close fight that Golovkin could very well win but I'm going for Alvarez, the home fighter, the star , A-side or whatever to get the nod in the closer rounds, he's the quicker, better boxer IMO and he takes it on points, body shots and uppercuts on the inside should be crucial although Canelo is gonna have to be smart whenever he gets in close

handsofstone wrote:Ive said from day 1 that I fancy Golovkin to win this one but over the last few months ive slowly switched to Alvarez, purely based on their last couple pf performances, sure GGG has been in with better fighters in Brook and Jacobs but Canelo looked flawless in beating Smith and Chavez Jr and in a 50/50 fight like this, that is all its took to sway me the other way

I thought Golovkin lost to Jacobs TBH he's definitely lost a bit of zip in his work, people are convinced he allows himself to be hit because he doesn't respect his opponents power but I'm not convinced, its probably part of his aura that makes people believe he's a machine uncapable of feeling pain

He cant afford to do that against Alvarez or he'll get stopped IMO, I think Canelo is in his prime right now, his team have picked the perfect time to face Golovkin, he's really developed into an incredible all round boxer, he's never gonna like movers but GGG is no mover unless you count moving forward

Golovkin showed against Lemieux he can be patient and wait for his opening as the other guy tires, Canelo is a patient fighter himself though, doesn't waste much and throws hard crisp shots which break fighters down bit by bit

I think this goes down to the wire in a very close fight that Golovkin could very well win but I'm going for Alvarez, the home fighter, the star , A-side or whatever to get the nod in the closer rounds, he's the quicker, better boxer IMO and he takes it on points, body shots and uppercuts on the inside should be crucial although Canelo is gonna have to be smart whenever he gets in close

I didn't watch so not sure if this is true, but I read that GGG has apparently said in a recent 24/7 episode that he deliberately took it easy in the Jacobs fight to make it look like he'd slowed down and entice Canelo into a fight...

handsofstone wrote:Ive said from day 1 that I fancy Golovkin to win this one but over the last few months ive slowly switched to Alvarez, purely based on their last couple pf performances, sure GGG has been in with better fighters in Brook and Jacobs but Canelo looked flawless in beating Smith and Chavez Jr and in a 50/50 fight like this, that is all its took to sway me the other way

I thought Golovkin lost to Jacobs TBH he's definitely lost a bit of zip in his work, people are convinced he allows himself to be hit because he doesn't respect his opponents power but I'm not convinced, its probably part of his aura that makes people believe he's a machine uncapable of feeling pain

He cant afford to do that against Alvarez or he'll get stopped IMO, I think Canelo is in his prime right now, his team have picked the perfect time to face Golovkin, he's really developed into an incredible all round boxer, he's never gonna like movers but GGG is no mover unless you count moving forward

Golovkin showed against Lemieux he can be patient and wait for his opening as the other guy tires, Canelo is a patient fighter himself though, doesn't waste much and throws hard crisp shots which break fighters down bit by bit

I think this goes down to the wire in a very close fight that Golovkin could very well win but I'm going for Alvarez, the home fighter, the star , A-side or whatever to get the nod in the closer rounds, he's the quicker, better boxer IMO and he takes it on points, body shots and uppercuts on the inside should be crucial although Canelo is gonna have to be smart whenever he gets in close

I have a suspicion that GGG is a bit lighter and quicker in his feet, when he has to be, than Canelo. I think this will allow him to dictate tempo from the outside with his jab as the setup, as with Lemieux it wasn't just the jab it was the little adjustments GGG made with his distancing that meant Lemieux couldn't touch him IMO. Obviously Canelo is a much better boxer with much better offensive variety and subtlety than Lemieux, but i think Canelo will face the same problems he had in trying to establish his offence

As least I hope so

Canelo in a surprisingly one sided fight for me. People will be saying they saw it coming.

It's easy to sway towards Alvarez after their recent showings, but in truth, Chavez was absolutely hopeless vs Alvarez and Jacobs fought a great fight vs GGG.

I think this has tainted everyone's outlook a bit.

Should be a great fight and a good style match-up, but I'm still leaning towards GGG by late stoppage.

TheLeprechaun wrote:Canelo in a surprisingly one sided fight for me. People will be saying they saw it coming.

If you're right about this I'll be really surprised and impressed.

2 years ago I could only see a dreadful beat down win for Golovkin. But Alvarez has improved and not just because of the overmatched opponents. He's also younger, fresher and is peaking...

Golovkin has slipped. Though...I think Jacobs is an excellent fighter and was essentially a LHW in the ring that night.

I still think Golovkin will win because he will drain the well for this one. I think on in-ring ability he's up there with the greats I remember like Monzon (just about remember), Hagler and Hopkins. But he needs this win to be on that boat and at the captain's table.

Golovkin wins this one with the jab. Canelo will land the odd flurry early, but he will be broken down and busted up as GGG opens up more and more down the stretch.

GGG's tactics will be the most interesting. Will he just sit in the middle of the ring and go jab for jab like he did with Lsmieux in a more safety first type performance or will he look to back Canelo up constantly like in the majority of his fights? I think he'll do better by doing the latter to be honest. I think he could win going jab for jab aswell but I think Canelo with his slow ass feet will really struggle being pushed backwards constantly.

youngrell wrote:It's easy to sway towards Alvarez after their recent showings, but in truth, Chavez was absolutely hopeless vs Alvarez and Jacobs fought a great fight vs GGG.

I think this has tainted everyone's outlook a bit.

Should be a great fight and a good style match-up, but I'm still leaning towards GGG by late stoppage.

Ya, I think that gets overlooked when it comes to the recent slippage talk. Canelo lost just as many rounds against glass Khan as GGG did against Brook, and his next two opponents were Liam Smith and a dead Chavez. Which of those guys is at all comparable to Jacobs, a long, fast mover with KO power? How much does looking 'flawless' matter when someone is hitting à plodding heavy bag like Chavez? Does anyone think him or Smith would give GGG the issues Jacobs did?

That said, if Canelo can get a draw card against boxing's biggest draw, in a fight where he was clearly outclassed, it makes me think the deck is stacked against GGG. I think GGG gets the better of it but loses on the cards...Canelo is good enough to put it within that range imo.

I expect GGG to apply the usual pressure and that will be enough for Canelo to unravel. I wouldn't be suprised if Canelo wins most of the first 6 rounds but he will be using up 3x as much energy to keep GGG off him by moving too much and throwing more punches than ever. He will wilt in the second half and get beaten down by 9 rounds.

gilgamesh wrote:Alvarez's plan should be to do anything and everything to go the distance. If he goes the distance there's a solid chance he gets the decision whether he deserves it or not.

Completely agree. A draw could be a great bet here.

Great comments and individual breakdowns
I don't have any more to add, you lot have covered it all
I just find it amusing to find the best GGG Vs Canelo thread in "British and Irish"
Well done folks. No personal attacks, just pure boxing discussion. There is hope..

Now can someone please quote this post and call me a di*khead because this is not normal

Think the styles for this one are perfect.

Golovkin, as we all know, likes to walk forward to land his bombs. He's got the footwork to cut the ring off against movers and force them to fight, but his preference would be for his opponent to stay pretty much in front of him. So on paper, Canelo, who doesn't have quick feet, and will be willing to hold his ground in centre ring, should be an ideal opponent.

On the other hand we've got Canelo. It's common knowledge that Canelo doesn't like fighting movers following his struggles with Floyd and Lara. Instead, he wants his opponent to walk towards him, hence picking Angulo after Mayweather along with Kirkland and Smith (and to a lesser extent Chavez/Cotto). So in that sense, Golovkin is also an ideal opponent for Canelo as he should give him plenty of opportunities to counter with his combinations as he walks in.

The only way in which this is a "bad" fight, or more accurately not quite the war we're both hoping for and expecting, is if GGG takes advantage of Canelo's slow feet by keeping his distance and using the jab, as he did in the Lemieux fight. The jab exchange itself is interesting, Canelo is excellent at slipping the jab and countering, but Golovkin's jab is incredibly accurate due to being thrown with next to no tell. For me, this is Golovkin's easiest route to victory, but will he want another 'comfortable' yet less entertaining victory (assuming that the scoring is fair), similar to the Lemieux fight with the whole world watching? Or will he allow himself to be drawn into a war which, whilst giving Canelo a better chance to win, also gives him to chance to get that huge KO win that really catapults him into the super-stardom that he craves?

My feeling was always that Golovkin would be too much for him and the closer the fight has got, the more I'm leaning towards Canelo, but I'm doing my best to go with my gut and say Golovkin by an 8-4 type decision.

I wrote up this breakdown of the fight. Other than using the word "aforementioned" a few times too many in that one segment in turned out alright. I do that kinda thing sometimes.


http://combatpress.com/2017/09/hbo-boxi ... rediction/

I think GGG will jab Canelos head off for the first few rounds then start to close the distance

ODLH and Canelo thinking they've caught GGG at the right time will spur GGG on aswell I think, as I think this will be a career best performance for GGG resulting in him getting the KO in late rounds, perfect leverage and balance on every shot, perfectly timed, I feel when he gets into his rhythm Canelo won't know what has hit him

gilgamesh wrote:I wrote up this breakdown of the fight. Other than using the word "aforementioned" a few times too many in that one segment in turned out alright. I do that kinda thing sometimes.


http://combatpress.com/2017/09/hbo-boxi ... rediction/

Good article.

Thanks

Don't be suprised if iyts a shit fight , Canelo rushing in spot punch and hold , spot punch and hold , spot punch and hold , horrible fight with Canelo holding and grabbing to victory . bit like Hatton and Kosta

coneye wrote:Don't be suprised if iyts a poo fight , Canelo rushing in spot punch and hold , spot punch and hold , spot punch and hold , horrible fight with Canelo holding and grabbing to victory . bit like Hatton and Kosta

I think it will be boring but only because golovkin will shut down like he did vs Jacob's.

gilgamesh wrote:I wrote up this breakdown of the fight. Other than using the word "aforementioned" a few times too many in that one segment in turned out alright. I do that kinda thing sometimes.


http://combatpress.com/2017/09/hbo-boxi ... rediction/

Well done, gil.

For GingerHead to make it to the cards, he must get 3G's attention, if not score a KD very early. Without that I do not see the Mexican making it to the cards.

If he can do that, I can see him being able to grind 3G to the body and create space that 3G will be apprehensive about closing. I definitely think that the strategy could be to go low and hard early, to test the ref and sap strength from the older fighter.

I do not see any of it working v 3G, who is a stone cold assassin in my estimation. I do not think there will be any putting on a "big drama show" in this one. There will be no taking punches on purpose. There will be no pulling punches.

I believe that 3G is going for the kill, early and often, in a clinical manner. GingerHead's only hope is to land a perfect equalizer in a firefight he initiates by pushing 3G back.

If it takes an "inadvertent" direct hit on the groin, I am certain he is willing to go there and risk the penalty. Which brings up the scenario of 3G getting DQed or losing a TD for a tit for tat attack.

3G by KTFO first half.

Well one things for sure , we all know Canelo can give it , in fact he's out and out one, of the top 5 givers in the world .. BUT what we don't know is CAN he take it ,, his penchant for fighting undersize or weight drained opponents could be the reason he stands out and looks so impressive , GGG on the other hand we know can give it , but we also know he CAN take it , This coupled with the fact he has a solid piston like jab and just basic back up power in both hands , and incredable ability to find the right distance at all times,he's just looking better and better to me ,

Unless of course has i said above its a grab and hold fight and Canelo is allowed to do it , Its Canelo just going to wear him down with shots he's not used to

coneye wrote:Well one things for sure , we all know Canelo can give it , in fact he's out and out one, of the top 5 givers in the world .. BUT what we don't know is CAN he take it ,, his penchant for fighting undersize or weight drained opponents could be the reason he stands out and looks so impressive , GGG on the other hand we know can give it , but we also know he CAN take it , This coupled with the fact he has a solid piston like jab and just basic back up power in both hands , and incredable ability to find the right distance at all times,he's just looking better and better to me ,

Unless of course has i said above its a grab and hold fight and Canelo is allowed to do it , Its Canelo just going to wear him down with shots he's not used to

I agree with your last paragraph. GingerHead has to push 3G backwards, go to the body and combo to the head. He needs to grind like SOGgy, then move, controlling distance.

Like I have said elsewhere, I question GingerHead's ability to grind 3G down. If he can we will have a tremendous battle in the last third. I think that the opposite happens and 3G pounds him into schnitzel.

coneye wrote:Well one things for sure , we all know Canelo can give it , in fact he's out and out one, of the top 5 givers in the world .. BUT what we don't know is CAN he take it ,, his penchant for fighting undersize or weight drained opponents could be the reason he stands out and looks so impressive , GGG on the other hand we know can give it , but we also know he CAN take it , This coupled with the fact he has a solid piston like jab and just basic back up power in both hands , and incredable ability to find the right distance at all times,he's just looking better and better to me ,

Unless of course has i said above its a grab and hold fight and Canelo is allowed to do it , Its Canelo just going to wear him down with shots he's not used to

Canelo has never grabbed and held in a fight, that I know of. not that it means he won't this time, but like anything, being good at a grabbing/spoiling game in boxing generally requires prior practise.