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boxing_rocks wrote:

Jip wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
The top 3 look good. Spence, Inoue and possibly Thurman are about right. The rest should be moved way down.

Canelo has a very good record compared to most top10 boxer. Has lots of fights, lots of big name opponents on it.

Wangek beat 2 times the 'year ago p4p#1, why should he be lower than 10, some have him top 5 p4p.

Canelo has a good resume on paper. Two of his wins are tainted, and there is a lot of shot or drained opponents.
Wangek lost his first fight against Roman, and even if he didn't, we would still need to see him against somebody good of his own size before putting him in top 10 p4p.

Jip doesn't care about resume.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Jip wrote:
Canelo has a very good record compared to most top10 boxer. Has lots of fights, lots of big name opponents on it.

Wangek beat 2 times the 'year ago p4p#1, why should he be lower than 10, some have him top 5 p4p.

Canelo has a good resume on paper. Two of his wins are tainted, and there is a lot of shot or drained opponents.
Wangek lost his first fight against Roman, and even if he didn't, we would still need to see him against somebody good of his own size before putting him in top 10 p4p.

Jip doesn't care about resume.

Does he care that Wangek was beaten by Cuadras who he doesn't include in his p4p list?

boxing_rocks wrote:
Does he care that Wangek was beaten by Cuadras who he doesn't include in his p4p list?

I'm aware of Cuadras beating Sor Rungvisai before, I have Sor Rungvisai on my P4P list, and I don't currently have Cuadras. Boxing is all about "What have you done for me lately?" when it comes to current rankings.

If Sor Rungvisai doesn't belong on the P4P list then he'll soon be defeated, and promptly removed. These things have a way of working themselves out.

In Boxing aside from proving you belong ranked highly, you gotta keep on proving it to remain highly ranked, and there's always a lot of competition working hard, and doing their part to try to overtake you.

P4P KING'S
1-WARD
2-GGG
3-CRAWFORD
4-CANELO ALVAREZ
5-THURMAN
6-MIKEY GARCIA
7-RIGONDEAUX
8-SPENCE JR
9-DANNY JACOBS
10-LOMACHENKO
JUST MISSING THE TOP 10..............LEO SANTA CRUZ

Finaly someone has jacobs in his top 10. Underrated.

Jip wrote:Finaly someone has jacobs in his top 10. Underrated.

Finally? He didn't even make your honourable mention list.

Danny Jacobs above Loma is so laughable.

gilgamesh wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Does he care that Wangek was beaten by Cuadras who he doesn't include in his p4p list?

I'm aware of Cuadras beating Sor Rungvisai before, I have Sor Rungvisai on my P4P list, and I don't currently have Cuadras. Boxing is all about "What have you done for me lately?" when it comes to current rankings.

If Sor Rungvisai doesn't belong on the P4P list then he'll soon be defeated, and promptly removed. These things have a way of working themselves out.

In Boxing aside from proving you belong ranked highly, you gotta keep on proving it to remain highly ranked, and there's always a lot of competition working hard, and doing their part to try to overtake you.

Cuadras was the first one to inflict big damage on Roman. That fight was what started the crack in Roman. I am sure both Cuadras and Estrada would beat Rungvisai now.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:Finaly someone has jacobs in his top 10. Underrated.

Finally? He didn't even make your honourable mention list.

Because i was wrong and forgot him

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:Finaly someone has jacobs in his top 10. Underrated.

Finally? He didn't even make your honourable mention list.

Because i was wrong and forgot him

Very difficult task, but I will try to make my list for today - 12.09.2017 (tomorrow, it might be different).........
1. Crawford
2. Lomachenko
3. Ward
4./5. Golovkin/Alvarez
6. Usyk
7. Joshua
8. Spence
9. Rigondeaux
10. M. Garcia

ValMar wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Finally? He didn't even make your honourable mention list.

Because i was wrong and forgot him

Very difficult task, but I will try to make my list for today - 12.09.2017 (tomorrow, it might be different).........
1. Crawford
2. Lomachenko
3. Ward
4./5. Golovkin/Alvarez
6. Usyk
7. Joshua
8. Spence
9. Rigondeaux
10. M. Garcia

Good list. I like it. Except low blow joe being 3 haha...

Do u do your list more about skills physical atributes (than rigo should be higher) or by resume (than thurman should be in it)

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:Finaly someone has jacobs in his top 10. Underrated.

Finally? He didn't even make your honourable mention list.

Because i was wrong and forgot him

I always forget someone.

Jip wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Jip wrote:
Because i was wrong and forgot him

Very difficult task, but I will try to make my list for today - 12.09.2017 (tomorrow, it might be different).........
1. Crawford
2. Lomachenko
3. Ward
4./5. Golovkin/Alvarez
6. Usyk
7. Joshua
8. Spence
9. Rigondeaux
10. M. Garcia

Good list. I like it. Except low blow joe being 1 haha...

Do u do your list more about skills physical atributes (than rigo should be higher) or by resume (than thurman should be in it)

a) my feeling
b) skills, etc...
c) resume
This list is very changeable; sometimes I think Rigo is the most skillful active boxer, day after I think about his weak chin. Crawford is the boss of the bosses (undisputed !) at LWW, but competition is much stronger at WW, and I am not sure about his chances against Spence. Loma is a wonderful technician, but there are few genuine top level fighters at 130, and it would be very questionable situation against Mikey (at 135)...And so on...Again, HW is the most important division, and I can not imagine these lists without HWs.......

ValMar wrote:

Jip wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Very difficult task, but I will try to make my list for today - 12.09.2017 (tomorrow, it might be different).........
1. Crawford
2. Lomachenko
3. Ward
4./5. Golovkin/Alvarez
6. Usyk
7. Joshua
8. Spence
9. Rigondeaux
10. M. Garcia

Good list. I like it. Except low blow joe being 1 haha...

Do u do your list more about skills physical atributes (than rigo should be higher) or by resume (than thurman should be in it)

a) my feeling
b) skills, etc...
c) resume
This list is very changeable; sometimes I think Rigo is the most skillful active boxer, day after I think about his weak chin. Crawford is the boss of the bosses (undisputed !) at LWW, but competition is much stronger at WW, and I am not sure about his chances against Spence. Loma is a wonderful technician, but there are few genuine top level fighters at 130, and it would be very questionable situation against Mikey (at 135)...And so on...Again, HW is the most important division, and I can not imagine these lists without HWs.......

Hear me valmar. You are about to get an interesting response. I can understand your struggle figuring out how to correctly rank.

Rigondeaux is the second most skilled boxer on eart. He is in the m everest league, only 2 boxer are in the elite league. His chin is good. He goes down, but always stands up.

CRAWFORD IS OVERRATED! Listen valdemar, do you remember the first big test against the midget from guantanamo? Crawford was losing the first 4 rds. Gambo was the better boxer. Technicly & athleticly better. Than gambo did a huge mistake. He wanted to ko crawford, started brawling with him. Crawford was bigger taller stronger. You dont brawl with a bigger stronger opponent. Had floyd started brawling with maidana, cotto, canelo, guess what wouldve happened 3 losses. Had gambo continuined to box technical he wouldve ud crawford.

GGG is a real boss. Best middleweight ever, would wreck hagler and hopkins, who in his prime struggled with a b level boxer like taylor who wouldnt last 6 rds vs ggg.

Mikey will always be nothing but a good B+ boxer

Jip wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Jip wrote:
Good list. I like it. Except low blow joe being 1 haha...

Do u do your list more about skills physical atributes (than rigo should be higher) or by resume (than thurman should be in it)

a) my feeling
b) skills, etc...
c) resume
This list is very changeable; sometimes I think Rigo is the most skillful active boxer, day after I think about his weak chin. Crawford is the boss of the bosses (undisputed !) at LWW, but competition is much stronger at WW, and I am not sure about his chances against Spence. Loma is a wonderful technician, but there are few genuine top level fighters at 130, and it would be very questionable situation against Mikey (at 135)...And so on...Again, HW is the most important division, and I can not imagine these lists without HWs.......

Hear me valmar. You are about to get an interesting response. I can understand your struggle figuring out how to correctly rank.

Rigondeaux is the second most skilled boxer on eart. He is in the m everest league, only 2 boxer are in the elite league. His chin is good. He goes down, but always stands up.

CRAWFORD IS OVERRATED! Listen valdemar, do you remember the first big test against the midget from guantanamo? Crawford was losing the first 4 rds. Gambo was the better boxer. Technicly & athleticly better. Than gambo did a huge mistake. He wanted to ko crawford, started brawling with him. Crawford was bigger taller stronger. You dont brawl with a bigger stronger opponent. Had floyd started brawling with maidana, cotto, canelo, guess what wouldve happened 3 losses. Had gambo continuined to box technical he wouldve ud crawford.

GGG is a real boss. Best middleweight ever, would wreck hagler and hopkins, who in his prime struggled with a b level boxer like taylor who wouldnt last 6 rds vs ggg.

Mikey will always be nothing but a good B+ boxer

Interesting post, but I can agree with you no more than 50 %......