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Loki wrote:

ValMar wrote:A+ (active) : Joshua
A+ (retired) : Klitschko, Fury
A Wilder, Ortiz
beyond categorisation : Povetkin, Haye
A- Parker, Pulev, Whyte
A-? Miller, Breazeale, H. Fury, Stiverne

What does 'Beyond Categorisation' mean? Povetkin, excluding the PEDs is surely better than Wilder. Who knows what Haye has left....

Is Povetkin clean ? God Almighty knows.
Is Haye healthy ? Nobody knows.

ValMar wrote:

Loki wrote:

ValMar wrote:A+ (active) : Joshua
A+ (retired) : Klitschko, Fury
A Wilder, Ortiz
beyond categorisation : Povetkin, Haye
A- Parker, Pulev, Whyte
A-? Miller, Breazeale, H. Fury, Stiverne

What does 'Beyond Categorisation' mean? Povetkin, excluding the PEDs is surely better than Wilder. Who knows what Haye has left....

Is Povetkin clean ? God Almighty knows.
Is Haye healthy ? Nobody knows.

I thought you were a bit kind giving Stiverne A-. Haye is yet to place in my opinion. As soon as he proves he is back in the game, o would rate him easily A- given the current.crop. Millar and Breazeale are B grade, sorry but they have not fought (and won) at anything more than B level

KiwiRider wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Loki wrote:
What does 'Beyond Categorisation' mean? Povetkin, excluding the PEDs is surely better than Wilder. Who knows what Haye has left....

Is Povetkin clean ? God Almighty knows.
Is Haye healthy ? Nobody knows.

I thought you were a bit kind giving Stiverne A-. Haye is yet to place in my opinion. As soon as he proves he is back in the game, o would rate him easily A- given the current.crop. Millar and Breazeale are B grade, sorry but they have not fought (and won) at anything more than B level

A- ? is something between A- and B+...........Stiverne is tough and strong, he has solid chance to be in top 5 HW (depends on Povetkin and Haye)
I hope that Miller and Breazeale will be competitive against any HW, except Joshua....I hope.........

ValMar wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Is Povetkin clean ? God Almighty knows.
Is Haye healthy ? Nobody knows.

I thought you were a bit kind giving Stiverne A-. Haye is yet to place in my opinion. As soon as he proves he is back in the game, o would rate him easily A- given the current.crop. Millar and Breazeale are B grade, sorry but they have not fought (and won) at anything more than B level

A- ? is something between A- and B+...........Stiverne is tough and strong, he has solid chance to be in top 5 HW (depends on Povetkin and Haye)
I hope that Miller and Breazeale will be competitive against any HW, except Joshua....I hope.........

I figure Breazeale stands a very good chance at beating Stiverne. That's an even fight in my mind.

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:

KiwiRider wrote: I thought you were a bit kind giving Stiverne A-. Haye is yet to place in my opinion. As soon as he proves he is back in the game, o would rate him easily A- given the current.crop. Millar and Breazeale are B grade, sorry but they have not fought (and won) at anything more than B level

A- ? is something between A- and B+...........Stiverne is tough and strong, he has solid chance to be in top 5 HW (depends on Povetkin and Haye)
I hope that Miller and Breazeale will be competitive against any HW, except Joshua....I hope.........

I figure Breazeale stands a very good chance at beating Stiverne. That's an even fight in my mind.

Yes, it might be the close match.

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:
A- ? is something between A- and B+...........Stiverne is tough and strong, he has solid chance to be in top 5 HW (depends on Povetkin and Haye)
I hope that Miller and Breazeale will be competitive against any HW, except Joshua....I hope.........

I figure Breazeale stands a very good chance at beating Stiverne. That's an even fight in my mind.

Yes, it might be the close match.

Welcome to the Breazeale Fan Club chaps
It's been a bit lonely here on a Friday night

I'm not a fan of Breazeale necessarily, I mean I got nothing against him, but I'm not a big fan either. He's pretty fun to watch, vulnerable, but fights with heart.

gilgamesh wrote:I'm not a fan of Breazeale necessarily, I mean I got nothing against him, but I'm not a big fan either. He's pretty fun to watch, vulnerable, but fights with heart.

He has a better chin than Stiverne. But, Stiverne hits harder.

Loki wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I'm not a fan of Breazeale necessarily, I mean I got nothing against him, but I'm not a big fan either. He's pretty fun to watch, vulnerable, but fights with heart.

He has a better chin than Stiverne. But, Stiverne hits harder.

I agree, Stiverne also has a habit of just not doing sh*t and getting outworked for large portions of the fight as well. He's too reliant on his power, and I can see him missing his opportunity to get the KO by being too patient. I also wouldn't be surprised if Breazeale can take at least SOME of Stiverne's shots.

IronFrost wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:AJ, Fury and Klitschko in shape would still beat him, Povetkin would have as well in his prime, I think Ortiz will also win, Hughie and Parker probably as well. I also wouldn't be surprised if Jun Long Zhang would win, just like many other talents.

Both Fury's would get ktfo from Wilder. Fury's win is overrated. Wladimir fought like a pussy who was scared. Fury is not so good as you people think based on that one win.

Nope, both Fury's would win against Wilder, Tyson not any more perhaps, but he would have done.

KiwiRider wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I figure Breazeale stands a very good chance at beating Stiverne. That's an even fight in my mind.

Yes, it might be the close match.

Welcome to the Breazeale Fan Club chaps
It's been a bit lonely here on a Friday night

Fan Club ??
I think that I am realistic, Breazeale deserves to be about #10 place on recent HW's list.
Breazeale fan ? No, I am just a realistic and neutral boxing fan.............