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Re: Something I noticed about Hagler Hearns
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 13:55
by Lackeos
Tommy Hearns was basically a tiger masquerading as a human. Seriously, check his DNA, I bet you'll be surprised. All tiger, no human.
Re: Something I noticed about Hagler Hearns
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 19:24
by Badhusker
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tomasino wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He was never stopped at light heavy or cruiserweight.
I know, I was thinking of Barkley and a couple of wobbly moments vs Roldan.
I blame that more on going back down than moving up. His legs were half gone.
If Hearns had a granite chin he would be the all time greatest fighter. Unfortunately, his chin wasn't that good.
Re: Something I noticed about Hagler Hearns
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 20:20
by SaadOffTheDeck
Badhusker wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tomasino wrote:
I know, I was thinking of Barkley and a couple of wobbly moments vs Roldan.
I blame that more on going back down than moving up. His legs were half gone.
If Hearns had a granite chin he would be the all time greatest fighter. Unfortunately, his chin wasn't that good.
Wasn't that bad either, but I agree. If he had haglers chin he would have been a weapon of mass destruction.
Re: Something I noticed about Hagler Hearns
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 21:05
by IKSRTFO
Badhusker wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tomasino wrote:
I know, I was thinking of Barkley and a couple of wobbly moments vs Roldan.
I blame that more on going back down than moving up. His legs were half gone.
If Hearns had a granite chin he would be the all time greatest fighter. Unfortunately, his chin wasn't that good.
I don't see how. In his prime, only punchers have stopped him. It wasn't like he was knocked down in a lot of his fights. Leonard and Hagler were dangerous anyone at the weights Hearns fought them at.
Re: Something I noticed about Hagler Hearns
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 21:20
by Nile4000
No doubt Tommy was great, but he was probably fortunate that guys like Spinks, Qawi, Johnson, and Saad weren't there when he fought for the title in 1987.
Re: Something I noticed about Hagler Hearns
Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 01:22
by gilgamesh
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tomasino wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
I blame that more on going back down than moving up. His legs were half gone.
I just rewatched him vs Roldan, what a battle. Roldan could hit!
That was a war, he was giving Barkley one of the most brutal beatings in history before he got caught. Some of the most vicious hooks to the body I've ever seen. Amazing Iran stood up to it
Yeah, I never knew how much he had worked over Barkley in that fight until I caught a replay of it at one point. I'd always heard about the result, but until I saw the fight I never realized what an ass kicking Hearns was giving him prior to getting caught. I'll bet Barkley's ribs were killing him for weeks after that fight.
Re: Something I noticed about Hagler Hearns
Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 06:48
by jamesmcdonnell
Kalan wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ossyrules wrote:
McCallum was a great fighter also I agree
It doesn't change my opinion that Hearns was incredible. A true great
Mike wasn't ducked, he just came a little late to the party. Nobody alive wanted Duran or hearns to fight the unknown McCallum instead of each other and hagler. Mike was a great fighter, just more in the class of Chavez than those guys.
McCallum was ducked...SERIOUSLY ducked... Julian Jackson was really bad news. He knocked undefeated Terry Norris out in brutal fashion and was 29-0 when McCallum ripped out his body and ran over him in 2 rounds.. That made McCallum 27-0... McCallum won the WBA Super Welterweight Title a month after Hearns beat James Hutchings at 154.. Hearns didn't fight again for 7 months so there was a window for them to unify.
McCallum was in the mix, winning and fighting for World Middleweight Titles when Leonard was fighting at 160... Leonard didn't want him.. None of those guys wanted to fight McCallum because he was too good... He would have beaten all of them and he was certainly no Chavez Jr... Chavez leads with his head and absorbs punches non-stop.. He can't box or punch and McCallum was a terrific boxer-puncher.
McCollum just didn't carry enough reward for the risk. One of my favourite fighters, cast iron chin, great boxing skills, cultured offence. I still remember the shock when he annihilated curry.
Re: Something I noticed about Hagler Hearns
Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 11:30
by BAD INTENTIONS
Kalan wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ossyrules wrote:
McCallum was a great fighter also I agree
It doesn't change my opinion that Hearns was incredible. A true great
Mike wasn't ducked, he just came a little late to the party. Nobody alive wanted Duran or hearns to fight the unknown McCallum instead of each other and hagler. Mike was a great fighter, just more in the class of Chavez than those guys.
McCallum was ducked...SERIOUSLY ducked... Julian Jackson was really bad news. He knocked undefeated Terry Norris out in brutal fashion and was 29-0 when McCallum ripped out his body and ran over him in 2 rounds.. That made McCallum 27-0... McCallum won the WBA Super Welterweight Title a month after Hearns beat James Hutchings at 154.. Hearns didn't fight again for 7 months so there was a window for them to unify.
McCallum was in the mix, winning and fighting for World Middleweight Titles when Leonard was fighting at 160... Leonard didn't want him.. None of those guys wanted to fight McCallum because he was too good... He would have beaten all of them and he was certainly no Chavez Jr... Chavez leads with his head and absorbs punches non-stop.. He can't box or punch and McCallum was a terrific boxer-puncher.
No Kalan. Boxers from the 80 s were gods and never ducked anyone.
Re: Something I noticed about Hagler Hearns
Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 11:40
by BAD INTENTIONS
Kalan wrote:
Hearns was a skinny and chinny kid who ducked Mike McCallum -- who would have KO'd Tommy the way he ripped undefeated bomber Julian Jackson, 29-0. Tommy got knocked out by Ray Leonard, Marv Hagler, and Iran Barkley while he was in his 20's... Mike McCallum was NEVER knocked out and fought guys like James Toney (who made a shiitbag out of Iran Barkley) Roy Jones, and many other great fighters when he was well past his due date.
McCallum repeated called out Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and Duran...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKMOqDLVFuk
Unfortunately McCallum was from Jamaica... He didn't have the powers and manipulators of the Boxing scene behind him.
Thank you.
For some reason, I thought of McCallum as an early 90s fighter.
This dude was seriously underrated and ducked.
His prime began in 1984 at 154.
It's crazy how in that weight range, and in that time frame, of all the big name Americans,
you only get Toney in 1991 giving him a shot.
7 years after the start of his prime.
You are correct to hypothesize McCallum would have been a force in the 80s middleweight scene.