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Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 13:44
by SaadOffTheDeck
Ward, Joe and rjj.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 13:51
by Kilsby
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ward, Joe and rjj.
^^^
I'd agree with that. But JC1, AW2 & RJJ3.
Rjj didn't stay at super-middleweight long enough to justify being ranked higher than the other two
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxi
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 13:57
by BAD INTENTIONS
Ossyrules wrote:BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Every fight was either UD or KO.
What can be said about that?
He always had every judge paid off despite being a ZERO draw.
I was never a Ward fan until the Kessler fight.
Kessler was a top fighter and Ward clearly a level higher.
IMO, he looked more impressive than Calzaghe two years earlier.
Then came the hate.
Ward went from being ignored to the #1 enemy of the sport.
Dirty. Boring. Cheater. Dull.
All from fans who couldn't get enough of:
Mayorga, Mayweather, Broner, Fury, McGegregor ... and other WWE character style clowns.
Not one judge even scored a fight a draw.
For a non-draw. Against guys who could have been/or were big draws.
Amazing.
Dirty and cheating overlap.
Boring and dull are the same thing.
theres no doubting wards ability though
Actually,
boring referred to criticisms of in ring entertainment,
dull referred to criticisms of his character outside the ring,
dirty refers to things he was accused of doing in the ring,
cheater refers to the allegations of PED use, judge/scoring fixing, etc.
All separate things right?
You're too stupid to think.
So you'd rather criticize immediately.
Don't read my posts.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 14:00
by apollo creed
Prime for Prime I think Ward beats RJJ and Calzaghe. Ward would outmaneuver and annoy the #hit out of RJJ and Zaghe.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxi
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 14:07
by Ossyrules
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Ossyrules wrote:BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Every fight was either UD or KO.
What can be said about that?
He always had every judge paid off despite being a ZERO draw.
I was never a Ward fan until the Kessler fight.
Kessler was a top fighter and Ward clearly a level higher.
IMO, he looked more impressive than Calzaghe two years earlier.
Then came the hate.
Ward went from being ignored to the #1 enemy of the sport.
Dirty. Boring. Cheater. Dull.
All from fans who couldn't get enough of:
Mayorga, Mayweather, Broner, Fury, McGegregor ... and other WWE character style clowns.
Not one judge even scored a fight a draw.
For a non-draw. Against guys who could have been/or were big draws.
Amazing.
Dirty and cheating overlap.
Boring and dull are the same thing.
theres no doubting wards ability though
Actually,
boring referred to criticisms of in ring entertainment,
dull referred to criticisms of his character outside the ring,
dirty refers to things he was accused of doing in the ring,
cheater refers to the allegations of PED use, judge/scoring fixing, etc.
All separate things right?
You're too stupid to think.
So you'd rather criticize immediately.
Don't read my posts.
Funny you should say that as I thought people thought the opposite
Dull in ring performance
Boring out of the ring personality
Cheater in the ring doing foul blows
Dirty out the ring re what goes in his system
You separated them wrong
Don't read my posts you melt
You make jip look knowledgeable
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 14:08
by Ossyrules
apollo creed wrote:Prime for Prime I think Ward beats RJJ and Calzaghe. Ward would outmaneuver and annoy the #hit out of RJJ and Zaghe.
You are joking! Roy absolutely outclasses ward at his best
Calzaghe fight is up for debate
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 14:23
by SaadOffTheDeck
Ward would give Jones a ton of trouble. 50/50 fight for me. I'd pick calzaghe over ward.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 14:27
by Tanzio
Kalan wrote:Ward is a piece of shiit... a cheating bastard who's running from a very tough division that would give him a number of bad losses... Jay Z lost a fortune on this boy who won by hook or by crook -- so the public never supported Ward because they knew he was a dirt bag cheat.
Ok, whose turn is it to change KalpiJ's diaper?
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 14:29
by BAD INTENTIONS
Ossyrules wrote:apollo creed wrote:Prime for Prime I think Ward beats RJJ and Calzaghe. Ward would outmaneuver and annoy the #hit out of RJJ and Zaghe.
You are joking! Roy absolutely outclasses ward at his best
Calzaghe fight is up for debate
Hopkins chased the RJJ rematch because he figured Roy out in their first fight.
He was right that RJJ didn't change, but was just athletically superior with special movement.
Prime RJJ beats almost every fighter in their first encounter.
Ward, Hopkins and other ATG type fighters could win the rematch.
Joe is a level below in my opinion. But he was superior to the average fighter. Too fluid and active.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxi
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 16:54
by BitPlayer
Ossyrules wrote:You make jip look knowledgeable
BI is probably one of the most knowledgeable posters here IIRC he has sparred with quite a few top fighters.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxi
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 17:16
by SaadOffTheDeck
BitPlayer wrote:Ossyrules wrote:You make jip look knowledgeable
BI is probably one of the most knowledgeable posters here IIRC he has sparred with quite a few top fighters.
He's the most biased poster here. That's for sure.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxi
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 17:19
by Counter-puncher
BitPlayer wrote:Ossyrules wrote:You make jip look knowledgeable
BI is probably one of the most knowledgeable posters here IIRC he has sparred with quite a few top fighters.
I'm not sure you do RC
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 17:54
by klitoris
Ward is legit talent as much anyone hates to admit it. He is the perfect example of a cerebral fighter who also has a lot of heart. These two particular important traits is what made him win everyone of his fights without having an exceptional skillset or power.
I suspect this isn't the last time we see him, but if it is I think he is definitely a Hall of Famer and probably the top super middleweight in history along with Calzaghe.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 20:33
by Best Coast
Kalan wrote:Ward is a piece of shiit... a cheating bastard who's running from a very tough division that would give him a number of bad losses... Jay Z lost a fortune on this boy who won by hook or by crook -- so the public never supported Ward because they knew he was a dirt bag cheat.
His boring style had far more to do with his lack of popularity than anything else.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 03:41
by apollo creed
Ward traumatized Cobra Froch in that fight.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 04:02
by greg
"...most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!"
What a statement! Well, I don't think so...
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 04:08
by victor-romeo
Ward was a good fighter but in my opinon not on quiet on same level as Hagler, Leonard, Holyfield, Duran, Tyson, Whitaker, RJJ , I think Mosley and De La hoya as good if not better..
I'm not sure he even beats prime Calzaghe
So Ward was good but not "Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!"
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 04:19
by victor-romeo
apollo creed wrote:Prime for Prime I think Ward beats RJJ and Calzaghe. Ward would outmaneuver and annoy the #hit out of RJJ and Zaghe.
Calzaghe maybe rjj never.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 06:57
by caldo2025
Ossyrules wrote:caldo2025 wrote:Boy talk about a fighter doing it right. I was never an Andre Ward fan most of his career but when he KO'd Kovalev, it proved me wrong on every level about this guy. That was shocking and there's no way I could argue any other way but to say that he's a "great" and belongs in the discussion for top 20 fighters in history.
Andre is unlike these other great fighters that only retire to take a few years off before coming back. It doesn't appear he's doing this to avoid mandatory defenses. I think he's going to stay retired and good for him.
His record is far far too light to be in the top 20 all time. That's jip level sensationalism
Gold medal in the Olympics and undefeated since he was 12 years old. His trophy case is unlike anyone that has come along. I think that he will definitely be considered a top 20 fighter when history is written. If not, he'll be close.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 07:38
by Ossyrules
caldo2025 wrote:Ossyrules wrote:caldo2025 wrote:Boy talk about a fighter doing it right. I was never an Andre Ward fan most of his career but when he KO'd Kovalev, it proved me wrong on every level about this guy. That was shocking and there's no way I could argue any other way but to say that he's a "great" and belongs in the discussion for top 20 fighters in history.
Andre is unlike these other great fighters that only retire to take a few years off before coming back. It doesn't appear he's doing this to avoid mandatory defenses. I think he's going to stay retired and good for him.
His record is far far too light to be in the top 20 all time. That's jip level sensationalism
Gold medal in the Olympics and undefeated since he was 12 years old. His trophy case is unlike anyone that has come along. I think that he will definitely be considered a top 20 fighter when history is written. If not, he'll be close.
I won't be taking in consideration his fights as a 13 year old!
Pro boxing, there is 100% more than 19 boxers that will be above him. He's not even close to being in that conversation
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 07:44
by apollo creed
Ward has accomplished all in boxing as amateur and pro. He retired undefeated at 33 y/o , like a boss!
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 08:09
by RScarf1
caldo2025 wrote:Gold medal in the Olympics and undefeated since he was 12 years old. His trophy case is unlike anyone that has come along. I think that he will definitely be considered a top 20 fighter when history is written. If not, he'll be close.
Top 20 of all time? You've got to be kidding. He won't be close. History has already been written for Ward.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 08:10
by greg
..no that it matters but wasn't his amateur career record: 115-5?
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 08:12
by RScarf1
greg wrote:..no that it matters but wasn't his amateur career record: 115-5?
I think Lomachenko's amateur record is a lot better: 396-1 with the one loss avenged.
Re: Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!
Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 09:37
by squiggy
I don't mark him top 20 of my own lifetime, much less all time.
