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gilgamesh wrote:

hulkmaniac wrote:It was fun to watch but neither one was impressive.

They're 2 good fighters, and they fought well. Everybody doesn't have to be the greatest fighter that ever lived ya know. They're both very good, and competed at a high level tonight certainly.

Right... I wouldn't expect P4P talent on the co-feature of a Friday night card that switched around three channels.

Not P4P talent, but Ramirez could possibly be one of the better Super Middleweights out there right now.

gilgamesh wrote:Not P4P talent, but Ramirez could possibly be one of the better Super Middleweights out there right now.

I thought so too. That's why I was slightly disappointed. He took more damage than he should've and while doing so wasn't even able to close the show.

Wow Oscar Valdez saved by the bell in Round 4.

This Valdez fight is RIDICULOUS.

hulkmaniac wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Not P4P talent, but Ramirez could possibly be one of the better Super Middleweights out there right now.

I thought so too. That's why I was slightly disappointed. He took more damage than he should've and while doing so wasn't even able to close the show.

Ramirez is just one of those guys who will never look overly impressive but will do enough to finish ahead of his opponent most of the time.

168 is so crappy GR is probably top 5 and Hart top 10.

Terrible division.

diddy wrote:168 is so crappy GR is probably top 5 and Hart top 10.

Terrible division.

Ramirez is definitely Top 5.

gilgamesh wrote:

diddy wrote:168 is so crappy GR is probably top 5 and Hart top 10.

Terrible division.

Ramirez is definitely Top 5.

Boxrec has him 1. Goes to show how poor the division is. He's good but the top guy in a weight class?

Jermall Charlo and GGG mind as well jump up. Hell there are two obscure middleweights in the World Series Tournament.

diddy wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

diddy wrote:168 is so crappy GR is probably top 5 and Hart top 10.

Terrible division.

Ramirez is definitely Top 5.

Boxrec has him 1. Goes to show how poor the division is. He's good but the top guy in a weight class?

I wouldn't put him at #1, but I do personally have him #2 behind only Degale, and I don't think Degale has a firm hold on #1 over him either.

hulkmaniac wrote:Jermall Charlo and GGG mind as well jump up. Hell there are two obscure middleweights in the World Series Tournament.

I think Rob Brant will advance into the Semi Finals at least. Doubtful about Yildirim. We'll see.

gilgamesh wrote:

hulkmaniac wrote:Jermall Charlo and GGG mind as well jump up. Hell there are two obscure middleweights in the World Series Tournament.

I think Rob Brant will advance into the Semi Finals at least. Doubtful about Yildirim. We'll see.

I was referring to Jamie Cox and Rob Brant. I don't know much about Yildirim but from my initial research he's been at 168 for a while. Even Chris Eubank was a Middleweight not too long ago, but he appears to have the size for 168.

hulkmaniac wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

hulkmaniac wrote:Jermall Charlo and GGG mind as well jump up. Hell there are two obscure middleweights in the World Series Tournament.

I think Rob Brant will advance into the Semi Finals at least. Doubtful about Yildirim. We'll see.

I was referring to Jamie Cox and Rob Brant. I don't know much about Yildirim but from my initial research he's been at 168 for a while. Even Chris Eubank was a Middleweight not too long ago, but he appears to have the size for 168.

Cox has been a Super Middleweight for his last 5 or 6 fights it looks like. I got mixed up with Yildirim, he was a Light Heavyweight at one point not a Middleweight.

Lots of Light Heavies dropping down to compete in that tournament I notice.

gilgamesh wrote:

hulkmaniac wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I think Rob Brant will advance into the Semi Finals at least. Doubtful about Yildirim. We'll see.

I was referring to Jamie Cox and Rob Brant. I don't know much about Yildirim but from my initial research he's been at 168 for a while. Even Chris Eubank was a Middleweight not too long ago, but he appears to have the size for 168.

Cox has been a Super Middleweight for his last 5 or 6 fights it looks like. I got mixed up with Yildirim, he was a Light Heavyweight at one point not a Middleweight.

Lots of Light Heavies dropping down to compete in that tournament I notice.

Cox may have been campaigning at 168 for a while but his frame is clearly for 160. I don't even recognize the guys he fought at 168, so I question the level of opposition.

Oh by the way I do think Cox and Brant will have some success in this tournament. I was just pointing out that the division is so weak that some guys who are undersized can compete at the top level of this division.

Good fight to watch, Hart was tough and refreshingly honest after the fight too.

Hart is going to watch the fight back and kill himself for not pouncing on Zurdo in round 11.

The cards were way too close. Nice card though.