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Ambling Alp II wrote: And his title reign left some questions. Like if he had that much trouble with that faded version of Emile Griffith, how would he have done against a prime Griffith?

Griffith was gunning hard for a 4th fight with Benvenuti before Monzon beat him... He said "I'm the only Middleweight in the world who can beat Benvenuti."

After his first fight with Monzon (Carlos was terrible in the rematch, which was a dull fight and Monzon called "My worst fight ever") Griffith was very impressed after being stopped under a hail of punches.. He said "Carlos Monzon is a better fighter than Nino Benvenuti ever was."

Everyone has a bad fight... For Monzon it was his rematch with Griffith. He was having a lot of run ins with his wife at the time. They would go at it and she shot him once. That didn't do him a lot of good. He probably deserved it though -- if he hit her.

Kalan wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote: And his title reign left some questions. Like if he had that much trouble with that faded version of Emile Griffith, how would he have done against a prime Griffith?

Griffith was gunning hard for a 4th fight with Benvenuti before Monzon beat him... He said "I'm the only Middleweight in the world who can beat Benvenuti."

After his first fight with Monzon (Carlos was terrible in the rematch, which was a dull fight and Monzon called "My worst fight ever") Griffith was very impressed after being stopped under a hail of punches.. He said "Carlos Monzon is a better fighter than Nino Benvenuti ever was."

Everyone has a bad fight... For Monzon it was his rematch with Griffith. He was having a lot of run ins with his wife at the time. They would go at it and she shot him once. That didn't do him a lot of good. He probably deserved it though -- if he hit her.

That's not true Kalan you know it mate Monzon you love him that's the truth

I don't love anybody who's not a close personal friend... I love my relatives and friends like everyone else does... It is true that Monzon's wife shot him.

#3 at middle, top 25 p4p.

Kalan wrote:I don't love anybody who's not a close personal friend... I love my relatives and friends like everyone else does... It is true that Monzon's wife shot him.

Did you love Wilt?

This interview with Guillermo Vilas tells a lot about Monzon, he almost fought Hagler! Plans were discussed but Monzon decided he had lost his edge and fitness.

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montrealsuper wrote:This interview with Guillermo Vilas tells a lot about Monzon, he almost fought Hagler! Plans were discussed but Monzon decided he had lost his edge and fitness.

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Good article thanks.

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote:Neither was as good P4P as Eder Jofre... He was a wizard in his prime at Bantamweight... Brutal KO power and beat some damned good boys.

Those Monzon-Valdez fights were actually closer than Golovkin-Canelo... And Valdez wasn't nearly as big or as good as Canelo.

Canelo won't end up in the HOF - RV did. / Monzon (for what it is worth) won both of those close fights, GGG suffered a draw.

Canelo is better than RV... Look at all the loses the South American took.

BoxBuzz wrote:

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote:Neither was as good P4P as Eder Jofre... He was a wizard in his prime at Bantamweight... Brutal KO power and beat some damned good boys.

Those Monzon-Valdez fights were actually closer than Golovkin-Canelo... And Valdez wasn't nearly as big or as good as Canelo.

Canelo won't end up in the HOF - RV did. / Monzon (for what it is worth) won both of those close fights, GGG suffered a draw.

Yep, the Kalan's of the future will claim that GGG can't be all that great, otherwise he surely would have won this fight. It was a draw, and that's that.

But somehow the Kalan's of today appear to rationalize this outcome. Surely It's become clear as of the last two weeks that GGG is no Valero.

BuzzBox, please stop with your nonsensical dumbness... Did I ever claim the Hagler-Antoufermo 1 was anything but a real win for Hagler and NOT a draw??? ... Did I ever claim that CJ Ross wasn't OTL when she scored Mayweather-Canelo a draw??? ... Did I ever claim that Lewis-Holyfield 1 was anything but a dominant win for Lewis and NOT a draw??? ... Did I ever claim Whitaker-Chavev was anything but a dominant with for Whitaker and NOT a draw??? ... I see fights as they are... You imagine things I never said---such as your version of my views on any subject---and say "Kalan really meant the opposite when he posted this."

Who's the person on this board who's the most critical of Boxing judges? ... which is Boxing's biggest problem.

Kalan wrote:

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote:Neither was as good P4P as Eder Jofre... He was a wizard in his prime at Bantamweight... Brutal KO power and beat some damned good boys.

Those Monzon-Valdez fights were actually closer than Golovkin-Canelo... And Valdez wasn't nearly as big or as good as Canelo.

Canelo won't end up in the HOF - RV did. / Monzon (for what it is worth) won both of those close fights, GGG suffered a draw.

Canelo is better than RV... Look at all the loses the South American took.

Valdez was not protected, Canelo clearly is PROTECTED.

I think Canelo was protected by corrupt officials in the Golovkin fight... He's been strategically matched and that's why the GGG fight didn't happen 2 years ago.. But he fought Floyd, Lara, and beat 4-Division champ Miguel Cotto.. He definitely has more championship fights against better opponents than Valdes.. And definitely has the edge on Valdes in boxing and punching finesse and defense..

Valdes has that spectacular 1-punch KO of Benny Briscoe with one of the hardest left hooks I've very seen thrown by a Middleweight. Briscoe went the distance with Monzon, Hagler and a lot of other great fighters. Valdes decked Monzon too.. Valdes still has those 8 losses and could be tagged up.. I still like Canelo in that match-up because he's a bigger, stronger, smarter, quicker, and better defensively.