dagilechia wrote:i thought about Ty Cobb but he scored two wins in one day recently! so probably he's too dangerous, Deontay needs an easier fight now.apollo creed wrote:Dustin Nichols, Harold Sconiers, Firtha and Arrelola must be on Wilder's radar again.
What about Audley Harrisons big comeback?
Wilder is so scary and savage that all his meaningful opponents intentionally chose to take peds and be caught to avoid a fight with Bum Squad. 
Exactly this is what Wilder wants to think about his situation. 'He tried but his opponents 'failed' the drug test.'IKSRTFO wrote:So now it's Wilder's fault that Ortiz tested dirty? It doesn't matter even if Wilder pushed to find something, if Ortiz and Potvetkin were clean, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I think Wilder is a carefully protected hypejob ! Povetkin and Ortiz were screwed. I hope AJ still insists that Wilder has to fight a top fighter!Enlightened-One wrote:I have also heavily criticised Deontay Wilder’s persistent inability to face genuine world-rated opposition, but your fúckíng absurd unrelenting posts about corruption are simply bizarre!apollo creed wrote:Enlightened-One wrote: Stop with the conspiracy theory fúckíng búllshít nonsense! FFS!Sorry Mr EO but I have to express my thoughts on this BOXING forum about this fake champion who whenever he has to fight a live body/dangerous challenger, somehow that guy is roided to the gills.
You cannot seriously believe that every single sporting-related mishap can only have one possible cause, which is corruption?
apollo creed wrote:Exactly this is what Wilder wants to think about his situation. 'He tried but his opponents 'failed' the drug test.'IKSRTFO wrote:So now it's Wilder's fault that Ortiz tested dirty? It doesn't matter even if Wilder pushed to find something, if Ortiz and Potvetkin were clean, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
IKSRTFO wrote:apollo creed wrote:Exactly this is what Wilder wants to think about his situation. 'He tried but his opponents 'failed' the drug test.'IKSRTFO wrote:So now it's Wilder's fault that Ortiz tested dirty? It doesn't matter even if Wilder pushed to find something, if Ortiz and Potvetkin were clean, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
If they failed the drug test, it's their fault. Wilder didn't inject them with anything.
yeah you right... "But if he do [take PEDs], I will know. I’ve got people all over the world. If he do, I will know if he’s cheating. I will know if he’s doing PEDs. A lot of these guys in the heavyweight division does it. They don’t even know. They don’t even know. I know. I know. But I ain’t here to rat ‘em out." said Wilder.boxing_rocks wrote:The most suspicious is that Wilder himself always tests negative. VADA is clearly as corrupt as anything from Vegas.
apollo creed wrote:I knew something will go wrong with this fight and Wilder won't fight a legit opponent. So both Povetkin and Ortiz stacked their bodies with peds knowing they will have to be tested before fighting Wilder and screw their chance to become champions ? I don't buy it!
apollo creed wrote:Dustin Nichols, Harold Sconiers, Firtha and Arrelola must be on Wilder's radar again.
was Wilder tested before this fight?x2x wrote:apollo creed wrote:Dustin Nichols, Harold Sconiers, Firtha and Arrelola must be on Wilder's radar again.
Harold Sconiers actually put Wilder on his ass. A rematch with Charley Zelinoff is in the works. Charley said he easily won their first fight. If he looks too good Doctor Margaret will have to drug test him again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK22F4DGAL8
x2x wrote:apollo creed wrote:Dustin Nichols, Harold Sconiers, Firtha and Arrelola must be on Wilder's radar again.
Harold Sconiers actually put Wilder on his ass. A rematch with Charley Zelinoff is in the works. Charley said he easily won their first fight. If he looks too good Doctor Margaret will have to drug test him again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK22F4DGAL8
Wilder could've asked to test Charley . He took some heavy blows and still got up on his feet. "Obviously" ? You are probably right, but how is Wilder's use of PEDs less obvious?BitPlayer wrote:Yeah how are all these obviously PEDed "bogeymen" failing any decent drug tests?
Well I don't know of WIlder having any failed drugs, or having sudden physique changes in his 30's, plus he doesn't carry absurd amounts of muscle (for his height).boxing_rocks wrote:"Obviously" ? You are probably right, but how is Wilder's use of PEDs less obvious?BitPlayer wrote:Yeah how are all these obviously PEDed "bogeymen" failing any decent drug tests?
Wilder turned pro as a 207 pound 23-year-old, and has clearly gained significant upper body mass. His weight has increased over the years and he now tends to scale in the mid to high 220s, so there is a clear change in physique there, and it's not as if he were just some young teenage kid through the process. He also fought at the amateur cruiserweight equivalent in his 20s.BitPlayer wrote:Well I don't know of WIlder having any failed drugs, or having sudden physique changes in his 30's, plus he doesn't carry absurd amounts of muscle (for his height).boxing_rocks wrote:"Obviously" ? You are probably right, but how is Wilder's use of PEDs less obvious?BitPlayer wrote:Yeah how are all these obviously PEDed "bogeymen" failing any decent drug tests?
dagilechia wrote:now Wilder can say ''I wanted to fight Ortiz, but look, he is a cheater'' it sounds better than just avoiding him + a dangerous opponent is done forever
Wilder will go down in the history of boxing as the fighter who defeated his toughest opponents before the contract was signed. ATG Deontay Wilderapollo creed wrote:dagilechia wrote:now Wilder can say ''I wanted to fight Ortiz, but look, he is a cheater'' it sounds better than just avoiding him + a dangerous opponent is done forever
A skinny 6' 7" 23 year old gaining 20Ibs in 5 or 6 years really isn't comparible to Joshua or Povetkinjamamb wrote:Wilder turned pro as a 207 pound 23-year-old, and has clearly gained significant upper body mass. His weight has increased over the years and he now tends to scale in the mid to high 220s, so there is a clear change in physique there, and it's not as if he were just some young teenage kid through the process. He also fought at the amateur cruiserweight equivalent in his 20s.BitPlayer wrote:Well I don't know of WIlder having any failed drugs, or having sudden physique changes in his 30's, plus he doesn't carry absurd amounts of muscle (for his height).boxing_rocks wrote:
"Obviously" ? You are probably right, but how is Wilder's use of PEDs less obvious?
That said, a previous PED fail is probably the most damning evidence when it comes to PED use, rather than mere speculation based on physical changes (unless they're absolutely glaring). Should it really be a shock to people that someone with previous PED fails would fail again when they're preparing for their biggest fight?
It reminds me when certain American posters who accusing the Russians of corruption when Jones tested positive after beating Lebedev. Ya, cause, um, the guy with multiple positive surely would never touch a drug, right?