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dagilechia wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Dustin Nichols, Harold Sconiers, Firtha and Arrelola must be on Wilder's radar again.

i thought about Ty Cobb but he scored two wins in one day recently! so probably he's too dangerous, Deontay needs an easier fight now.

What about Audley Harrisons big comeback?

Wilder is so scary and savage that all his meaningful opponents intentionally chose to take peds and be caught to avoid a fight with Bum Squad.

IKSRTFO wrote:So now it's Wilder's fault that Ortiz tested dirty? It doesn't matter even if Wilder pushed to find something, if Ortiz and Potvetkin were clean, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Exactly this is what Wilder wants to think about his situation. 'He tried but his opponents 'failed' the drug test.'

Enlightened-One wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Stop with the conspiracy theory fúckíng búllshít nonsense! FFS!

Sorry Mr EO but I have to express my thoughts on this BOXING forum about this fake champion who whenever he has to fight a live body/dangerous challenger, somehow that guy is roided to the gills.

I have also heavily criticised Deontay Wilder’s persistent inability to face genuine world-rated opposition, but your fúckíng absurd unrelenting posts about corruption are simply bizarre!

You cannot seriously believe that every single sporting-related mishap can only have one possible cause, which is corruption?

I think Wilder is a carefully protected hypejob ! Povetkin and Ortiz were screwed. I hope AJ still insists that Wilder has to fight a top fighter!

apollo creed wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:So now it's Wilder's fault that Ortiz tested dirty? It doesn't matter even if Wilder pushed to find something, if Ortiz and Potvetkin were clean, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Exactly this is what Wilder wants to think about his situation. 'He tried but his opponents 'failed' the drug test.'

If they failed the drug test, it's their fault. Wilder didn't inject them with anything.

“I would’ve been up for that challenge years ago, when we first brought this up,” Wilder said Wednesday during a press conference to officially announce their fight. “But we already know what happened. So this time, Luis Ortiz, don’t f*** it up! Stay clean, because we’ll be checking. Stay clean. Don’t f***this up for me, nor you, because I’m gonna prove to the world that I am the best.”
“I pray to God that don’t happen,” Wilder said. “That’s a big concern of mines. But if he do [take PEDs], I will know. I’ve got people all over the world. If he do, I will know if he’s cheating. I will know if he’s doing PEDs. A lot of these guys in the heavyweight division does it. They don’t even know. They don’t even know. I know. I know. But I ain’t here to rat ‘em out. @b.scene

OMG! As if Wilder had a premonition about what is going to happen. I'm sure this peds-job wasn't well planned.

IKSRTFO wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:So now it's Wilder's fault that Ortiz tested dirty? It doesn't matter even if Wilder pushed to find something, if Ortiz and Potvetkin were clean, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Exactly this is what Wilder wants to think about his situation. 'He tried but his opponents 'failed' the drug test.'

If they failed the drug test, it's their fault. Wilder didn't inject them with anything.

yeah you right...

The most suspicious is that Wilder himself always tests negative. VADA is clearly as corrupt as anything from Vegas.

boxing_rocks wrote:The most suspicious is that Wilder himself always tests negative. VADA is clearly as corrupt as anything from Vegas.

"But if he do [take PEDs], I will know. I’ve got people all over the world. If he do, I will know if he’s cheating. I will know if he’s doing PEDs. A lot of these guys in the heavyweight division does it. They don’t even know. They don’t even know. I know. I know. But I ain’t here to rat ‘em out." said Wilder.



So Wilder is basically saying he's very connected with those who are testing fighters and he knows who is using peds ?? Wilder The Anti-PED's warrior!

apollo creed wrote:I knew something will go wrong with this fight and Wilder won't fight a legit opponent. So both Povetkin and Ortiz stacked their bodies with peds knowing they will have to be tested before fighting Wilder and screw their chance to become champions ? I don't buy it!

Doctor Margaret Goodman and her traveling Las Vegas NeVADA drug testing company to the rescue as usual!

apollo creed wrote:Dustin Nichols, Harold Sconiers, Firtha and Arrelola must be on Wilder's radar again.

Harold Sconiers actually put Wilder on his ass. A rematch with Charley Zelinoff is in the works. Charley said he easily won their first fight. If he looks too good Doctor Margaret will have to drug test him again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK22F4DGAL8

x2x wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Dustin Nichols, Harold Sconiers, Firtha and Arrelola must be on Wilder's radar again.

Harold Sconiers actually put Wilder on his ass. A rematch with Charley Zelinoff is in the works. Charley said he easily won their first fight. If he looks too good Doctor Margaret will have to drug test him again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK22F4DGAL8

was Wilder tested before this fight?

x2x wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Dustin Nichols, Harold Sconiers, Firtha and Arrelola must be on Wilder's radar again.

Harold Sconiers actually put Wilder on his ass. A rematch with Charley Zelinoff is in the works. Charley said he easily won their first fight. If he looks too good Doctor Margaret will have to drug test him again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK22F4DGAL8

Wilder could've asked to test Charley . He took some heavy blows and still got up on his feet.

Yeah how are all these obviously PEDed "bogeymen" failing any decent drug tests?

BitPlayer wrote:Yeah how are all these obviously PEDed "bogeymen" failing any decent drug tests?

"Obviously" ? You are probably right, but how is Wilder's use of PEDs less obvious?

boxing_rocks wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Yeah how are all these obviously PEDed "bogeymen" failing any decent drug tests?

"Obviously" ? You are probably right, but how is Wilder's use of PEDs less obvious?

Well I don't know of WIlder having any failed drugs, or having sudden physique changes in his 30's, plus he doesn't carry absurd amounts of muscle (for his height).

You guys are pathetic.

So you nitwits think wilder paid still Erne so he could screw Ortiz? Why not just fight stiverne? Y'all couldn't even write a conspiracy for a kids law and order. Wilder has no motive

BitPlayer wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Yeah how are all these obviously PEDed "bogeymen" failing any decent drug tests?

"Obviously" ? You are probably right, but how is Wilder's use of PEDs less obvious?

Well I don't know of WIlder having any failed drugs, or having sudden physique changes in his 30's, plus he doesn't carry absurd amounts of muscle (for his height).

Wilder turned pro as a 207 pound 23-year-old, and has clearly gained significant upper body mass. His weight has increased over the years and he now tends to scale in the mid to high 220s, so there is a clear change in physique there, and it's not as if he were just some young teenage kid through the process. He also fought at the amateur cruiserweight equivalent in his 20s.

That said, a previous PED fail is probably the most damning evidence when it comes to PED use, rather than mere speculation based on physical changes (unless they're absolutely glaring). Should it really be a shock to people that someone with previous PED fails would fail again when they're preparing for their biggest fight?

It reminds me when certain American posters who accusing the Russians of corruption when Jones tested positive after beating Lebedev. Ya, cause, um, the guy with multiple positive surely would never touch a drug, right?

now Wilder can say ''I wanted to fight Ortiz, but look, he is a cheater'' it sounds better than just avoiding him + a dangerous opponent is done forever

2 solid opponents, Povetkin and Ortiz

Ortiz already failed PED tests, maybe multiple times, I cant remember exactly how many but at least once for a less important fight. Povetkin became a KO machine and had major physical changes in mid-30s. More speculation about him, going by appearance isn't super strong evidence as said above, but is it really hard to believe he actually used and that the tests were legitimate?

Maybe there is some big conspiracy here, but perhaps---just perhaps---Ortiz and Povetkin did use banned substances? Judging by some of these posts you'd think that was actually the nutjob theory

dagilechia wrote:now Wilder can say ''I wanted to fight Ortiz, but look, he is a cheater'' it sounds better than just avoiding him + a dangerous opponent is done forever

Wilder will go down in the history of boxing as the fighter who defeated his toughest opponents before the contract was signed.

Wilder gets a 2nd "Get out of Jail Free" card, and Ortiz has pissed his career away.

Wilder goes on to defend against 4 more NOT Top 10 opponents, Ortiz might as well just retire.

Or go to Russia and fight Povetkin in a PED's allowed match or some sh*t. Winner gets Briggs...and then...all 3 retire.

What I want to know is why are fighters - foreign fighters and fighters without the "important connections" - acquiescing to being drug tested by some mob connected sheister doctor from Las Vegas, Nevada of all places? Do those %^$#@'s control the money bags in crooked boxing so thoroughly that they have to?

apollo creed wrote:

dagilechia wrote:now Wilder can say ''I wanted to fight Ortiz, but look, he is a cheater'' it sounds better than just avoiding him + a dangerous opponent is done forever

Wilder will go down in the history of boxing as the fighter who defeated his toughest opponents before the contract was signed.

ATG Deontay Wilder

jamamb wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
"Obviously" ? You are probably right, but how is Wilder's use of PEDs less obvious?

Well I don't know of WIlder having any failed drugs, or having sudden physique changes in his 30's, plus he doesn't carry absurd amounts of muscle (for his height).

Wilder turned pro as a 207 pound 23-year-old, and has clearly gained significant upper body mass. His weight has increased over the years and he now tends to scale in the mid to high 220s, so there is a clear change in physique there, and it's not as if he were just some young teenage kid through the process. He also fought at the amateur cruiserweight equivalent in his 20s.

That said, a previous PED fail is probably the most damning evidence when it comes to PED use, rather than mere speculation based on physical changes (unless they're absolutely glaring). Should it really be a shock to people that someone with previous PED fails would fail again when they're preparing for their biggest fight?

It reminds me when certain American posters who accusing the Russians of corruption when Jones tested positive after beating Lebedev. Ya, cause, um, the guy with multiple positive surely would never touch a drug, right?

A skinny 6' 7" 23 year old gaining 20Ibs in 5 or 6 years really isn't comparible to Joshua or Povetkin