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Verdi wrote:What kind of performance advantage does taking blood pressure and kidney disease medication actually create?

Diuretics can be used to mask the use of steroids, which is more likely to be the reason for use when that person has also test positive for steroids in the past.

Lackeos wrote:

Verdi wrote:What kind of performance advantage does taking blood pressure and kidney disease medication actually create?

Diuretics can be used to mask the use of steroids, which is more likely to be the reason for use when that person has also test positive for steroids in the past.

Thanks for the info

I'm seeing on social media that Stiverne will likely take over, but I'd sooner see Breazeale have a go. I think it'd be a more exciting fight.

Loki wrote:I call Bullshit. Every live body that Wilder faces fails a drug test.

I know Ortiz has form, but cmon, something is rotten in Denmark.

Exactly. Too many instances to be random.

Has Ortiz been busted before, or not?

If Ortiz did this intentionally, he was simply piece of fool.
Frankly, I doubt he has the enemy in his team.
I can not imagine "the third possibility".

I never expected this fight to come off because of VADA, the most corrupt organization in Boxing... Joshua may just refuse VADA testing for any Wilder fight... Ward has done that in the past for his fight with the Edwin Rodriguez fight... Ward said "I'm not doing VADA testing. They're mixed up with Victor Conte."

So what does the WBC do with their good buddy Victor Conte??? They make VADA (the V stands for Voluntary) testing MANDATORY for ALL their Champions and Challengers.. That way a boxer is FORCED to take VADA testing and the tests CAN be manipulated.

So the next thing you know Ward HIRES Victor Conte before the Kovalev fight – and takes his supplements... What a hypocrite.

Frankly I don't believe it... I do NOT believe Luis Ortiz would take a banned substance in a million years... No more than Alexander Povetkin would... These men are highly intelligent athletes and not stupid fukking morons who would jeopardize multi-million dollar futures by taking PEDs REPEATEDLY – as it is alleged by many that they did... I don’t believe it for a minute. They were set up. There is no way in HELL Wilder was going to fight Ortiz.

Ayy LMAO

Verdi wrote:What kind of performance advantage does taking blood pressure and kidney disease medication actually create?

They're diuretics, so they can be used to mask PEDs

Tanzio wrote:Has Ortiz been busted before, or not?

That makes it even more unbelievable... Ortiz supposedly ate horse meat in a Cuban style restaurant... Horses are sometimes given nandrolone, so there can be minute traces of it in your system if you eat any of the meat from that horse... But that would mean Ortiz would be even more on guard for any accidental or inadvertent usage of any steroid or PED... Especially because VADA seems to attack foreign athletes from Cuba, Eastern Europe, Australia and places overseas with regularity -- and lets their favorites like Bermane Stiverne skate for taking PED's -- and starts making excuses for him.

Verdi wrote:I'm seeing on social media that Stiverne will likely take over, but I'd sooner see Breazeale have a go. I think it'd be a more exciting fight.

If he fought breazeale he would have to fight stiverne next.

Ortiz can piss off. No further interest in ANYTHING he'll ever do in Boxing. This was the payoff to his entire lackluster career, and he blew it. To hell with him.

If the diuretics are used to mask something else, then I get it. Otherwise, Ortiz has no reason, as a heavyweight, to use those imo. Considering he was busted for nandrolone decanoate "deca durabolin" in the past, he may have been trying to mask. Deca can be detected up to 18 months after using. I've never understood why an athlete would take that knowing a test could happen within a year.
I like the blood pressure med excuse. Maybe it is legit. I hope so. I was looking forward to Ortiz winning so I could tell people that I had been dropped on my face by the new champ.

Why did this guy ditch oscar when he was getting tv time galore and among the most hyped fighters in boxing, even after failing vs lateef? then sits out, oddly hooks up with hearn, gets older and looks like total crap fighting bums. then isnt happy with hearn, signs with haymon, cancels rossy fight, then fails for this fight.

the guy is a big stiff idiot and has fallen from superman to a laughing stock. direct your hate at this fatty and not wilder.

nothing but talk.

the wilder hate is almost unsettling. i sense real venom in ppl and think they would actually like this guy to be hunted down and burned like a witch. he stays busy, has a resume that is prob top 3 in divsion, is funny good-natured guy outside the ring, role-model father who was working two jobs as a 20 year old to support his disabled daughter. yes he did fight terrible opposition but now has stepped it up to at least fringe contending types and that alone is good in todays division

yet he's the big evil bad guy and ortiz gets the love

He's still much better as anyone Wilder ever faced, he would destroy Stiverne in the first 10 seconds of the first round.

Can a boxer get licensed with high blood pressure? Either way, he left the medication blank on his vada form. Maybe he wanted to get caught so he could lose money and not fight for the title? Yeah, that makes sense.

i think ortiz might've needed his peds for his ostioperosis

dude is about 100 and yet happy to sit on his ass taking drugs, getting fatter, and not fighting anyone

jamamb wrote:the wilder hate is almost unsettling. i sense real venom in ppl and think they would actually like this guy to be hunted down and burned like a witch. he stays busy, has a resume that is prob top 3 in divsion, is funny good-natured guy outside the ring, role-model father who was working two jobs as a 20 year old to support his disabled daughter. yes he did fight terrible opposition but now has stepped it up to at least fringe contending types and that alone is good in todays division

yet he's the big evil bad guy and ortiz gets the love

He's wanted a big fight for years. His faith in haymon has been his biggest flaw. The hate has taken me from. Indifferent to a fan. Hard not to cheer for someone so irrationality despised on a forum you frequent.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jamamb wrote:the wilder hate is almost unsettling. i sense real venom in ppl and think they would actually like this guy to be hunted down and burned like a witch. he stays busy, has a resume that is prob top 3 in divsion, is funny good-natured guy outside the ring, role-model father who was working two jobs as a 20 year old to support his disabled daughter. yes he did fight terrible opposition but now has stepped it up to at least fringe contending types and that alone is good in todays division

yet he's the big evil bad guy and ortiz gets the love

He's wanted a big fight for years. His faith in haymon has been his biggest flaw. The hate has taken me from. Indifferent to a fan. Hard not to cheer for someone so irrationality despised on a forum you frequent.

Yep.
Anyone other than a Wilder opponent fails a drug test there are people on here saying they should be banned from boxing for life. A Wilder opponent gets caught cheating and it's somehow his fault

Luis Ortiz was caught cheating when Lateef Kayode was his opponent. If he thinks he needs to juice up for a Lateef Kayode fight how is it a surprise when he gets caught juicing for Wilder?

Perseus wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jamamb wrote:the wilder hate is almost unsettling. i sense real venom in ppl and think they would actually like this guy to be hunted down and burned like a witch. he stays busy, has a resume that is prob top 3 in divsion, is funny good-natured guy outside the ring, role-model father who was working two jobs as a 20 year old to support his disabled daughter. yes he did fight terrible opposition but now has stepped it up to at least fringe contending types and that alone is good in todays division

yet he's the big evil bad guy and ortiz gets the love

He's wanted a big fight for years. His faith in haymon has been his biggest flaw. The hate has taken me from. Indifferent to a fan. Hard not to cheer for someone so irrationality despised on a forum you frequent.

Yep.
Anyone other than a Wilder opponent fails a drug test there are people on here saying they should be banned from boxing for life. A Wilder opponent gets caught cheating and it's somehow his fault

Luis Ortiz was caught cheating when Lateef Kayode was his opponent. If he thinks he needs to juice up for a Lateef Kayode fight how is it a surprise when he gets caught juicing for Wilder?

good post

I'm pretty sure wilder set up Ortiz in the kayode fight looking towards the future. Corleone's always plan ahead.

Ortiz and Stiverne are both jokes.

Ortiz has flunked more drug tests than Jerry Garcia would have if music drug tested, and Stiverne said he had bigger fish to fry than fighting Ortiz.

Ortiz, Stiverne, and Tyson Fury love to chat but they run from the ring like its the bubonic fvcking plague.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Can a boxer get licensed with high blood pressure? Either way, he left the medication blank on his vada form. Maybe he wanted to get caught so he could lose money and not fight for the title? Yeah, that makes sense.

Al Haymon made him use pencil to fill it in, and then errased it, as part of his masterplan.