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If Ward was truly the best pound for pound, people would want to see him fight. People paid to see Mayweather.

RScarf1 wrote:If Ward was truly the best pound for pound, people would want to see him fight. People paid to see Mayweather.

People wanted to see Mayweather LOSE. Because he had such an abrasive personality to some people. Ward doesn't motivate people to want to see him win or lose. He's got no charisma at all.

And his fights suck.

Mayweather also played the ethnic card well. More than a half of his opponents in the last 10 years were Mexicans or other Latinos, so he attracted huge Mexican and PR audiences. But of course Pretty Boy Mayweather originally earned his popularity by an exciting boxing style. Ward has never been exciting, even early in his career.

Horse wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Glad this didn’t happen, ward vs Bellew is a total nothing fight. At least if Bellew still had the WBC tote or ward was looking at a route to atitke shot at a division, but none of that’s on the cards.

Providing extra weight didn’t kill wards engine he’d handily out box Bellew who isn’t close to him on ability

Bellew is still the WBC Emeritus champion.

Could he not have defended that against Ward?

You can't defend that belt. It's like a get out of jail free card. Not transferrable. He can just fight the wbc champion whenever he wants.

gilgamesh wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:If Ward was truly the best pound for pound, people would want to see him fight. People paid to see Mayweather.

People wanted to see Mayweather LOSE. Because he had such an abrasive personality to some people. Ward doesn't motivate people to want to see him win or lose. He's got no charisma at all.

And his fights suck.

I agree, but I think people could appreciate the skill of Mayweather. Ward did not do anything exceptionally well except his dirty tactics.

RScarf1 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:If Ward was truly the best pound for pound, people would want to see him fight. People paid to see Mayweather.

People wanted to see Mayweather LOSE. Because he had such an abrasive personality to some people. Ward doesn't motivate people to want to see him win or lose. He's got no charisma at all.

And his fights suck.

I agree, but I think people could appreciate the skill of Mayweather. Ward did not do anything exceptionally well except his dirty tactics.

He did seem to be one of those guys that did everything good, but nothing great. The everything good was enough for him to win all his fights though. Most without controversy. He's a good fighter, I'd never take that away from him. I've just never enjoyed watching him.

Seems a decent enough guy. I wish him well in retirement.

I think Ward retired out of the shame of pursuing a fight with Tony Bellew.

RScarf1 wrote:If Ward was truly the best pound for pound, people would want to see him fight. People paid to see Mayweather.

This is a rather silly comment! It's funny though...

gilgamesh wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:If Ward was truly the best pound for pound, people would want to see him fight. People paid to see Mayweather.

People wanted to see Mayweather LOSE. Because he had such an abrasive personality to some people. Ward doesn't motivate people to want to see him win or lose. He's got no charisma at all.

And his fights suck.

x2.. 2.2 million people paid to see May/Canelo.. At least more than half of them paid to watch him lose.

Horse wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Glad this didn’t happen, ward vs Bellew is a total nothing fight. At least if Bellew still had the WBC tote or ward was looking at a route to atitke shot at a division, but none of that’s on the cards.

Providing extra weight didn’t kill wards engine he’d handily out box Bellew who isn’t close to him on ability

Bellew is still the WBC Emeritus champion.

Could he not have defended that against Ward?

Possibly, if he lost, he would definitely lose that status.

boxing_rocks wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote: So, opponent's size doesn't matter? Would he beat Joshua the same way?

Sure Size matters. Tony Bellew got knocked out by Adonis Stevenson remember? Ward would kick Stevenson's ass. He'd kick Bellew's ass too. He's a better fighter than Bellew.

Obviously he wouldn't be able to beat Joshua. Don't be ridiculous.

Stevenson knocked out dehydrated Bellew who didn't belong to LHW division. Yes, Ward is a much better boxer, but he slowed down at 175 and would become even slower at 200, still remaining a slapper. In England, bigger and stronger Bellew would be allowed to rabbit punch, elbow, low blow -- all advantages Ward usually has, so I wouldn't be so confident in an outcome.

He doesn't have to come in at 200 pounds or even 199.. RJJJ came in at 193 for his HW fight

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

Horse wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Glad this didn’t happen, ward vs Bellew is a total nothing fight. At least if Bellew still had the WBC tote or ward was looking at a route to atitke shot at a division, but none of that’s on the cards.

Providing extra weight didn’t kill wards engine he’d handily out box Bellew who isn’t close to him on ability

Bellew is still the WBC Emeritus champion.

Could he not have defended that against Ward?

Possibly, if he lost, he would definitely lose that status.

It's a status, not a title to defend

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

Horse wrote:Bellew is still the WBC Emeritus champion.

Could he not have defended that against Ward?

Possibly, if he lost, he would definitely lose that status.

It's a status, not a title to defend

I see, he has the option, IF he returns to cruiserweight to challenge for the WBC title.

TBH, I don't think Bellew did enough for to warrant being Emeritus champion.. Vitali was different altogether..

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Possibly, if he lost, he would definitely lose that status.

It's a status, not a title to defend

I see, he has the option, IF he returns to cruiserweight to challenge for the WBC title.

TBH, I don't think Bellew did enough for to warrant being Emeritus champion.. Vitali was different altogether..

Yes, that's what I said earlier in the thread. Bellew certainly did more than vitali.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: It's a status, not a title to defend

I see, he has the option, IF he returns to cruiserweight to challenge for the WBC title.

TBH, I don't think Bellew did enough for to warrant being Emeritus champion.. Vitali was different altogether..

Yes, that's what I said earlier in the thread. Bellew certainly did more than vitali.

No I think Vitali did more

Ward believed that he had value that he did not have. It's like single mothers who think that having a kid does not make them any less desirable to single men.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:
I see, he has the option, IF he returns to cruiserweight to challenge for the WBC title.

TBH, I don't think Bellew did enough for to warrant being Emeritus champion.. Vitali was different altogether..

Yes, that's what I said earlier in the thread. Bellew certainly did more than vitali.

No I think Vitali did more

He did harpoon a whale, beat a golfer and defeat Danny Williams.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Yes, that's what I said earlier in the thread. Bellew certainly did more than vitali.

No I think Vitali did more

He did harpoon a whale, beat a golfer and defeat Danny Williams.

TBF, he didn't fight the who's who of the division at the time, I think Wlad fought the better opposition at the time they were both on top. But Vitali made several successive defences.

I listed what he did to achieve this honor. While wlads resume is shallow in an atg sense, vitalis is nonexistent.

RScarf1 wrote:Ward believed that he had value that he did not have. It's like single mothers who think that having a kid does not make them any less desirable to single men.

Ward is delusional about himself.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I listed what he did to achieve this honor. While wlads resume is shallow in an atg sense, vitalis is nonexistent.

Actually I think the reason why Vitali was granted "WBC Emeritus Champion" status was because of his 2nd run with the title when he came back and beat Sam Peter, and then held it for like 3 or 4 years or whatever. I know none of the names he beat during that time were particularly special, but I think that's why he has the WBC Emeritus status.

Of course he may have had it coming back in 2008 too. I don't recall. I suppose that would explain why he came back from a 4 year layoff to immediately get a shot at Peter.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I listed what he did to achieve this honor. While wlads resume is shallow in an atg sense, vitalis is nonexistent.

Actually I think the reason why Vitali was granted "WBC Emeritus Champion" status was because of his 2nd run with the title when he came back and beat Sam Peter, and then held it for like 3 or 4 years or whatever. I know none of the names he beat during that time were particularly special, but I think that's why he has the WBC Emeritus status.

Of course he may have had it coming back in 2008 too. I don't recall. I suppose that would explain why he came back from a 4 year layoff to immediately get a shot at Peter.

We all know he fought Briggs and gave him facial fracture

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I listed what he did to achieve this honor. While wlads resume is shallow in an atg sense, vitalis is nonexistent.

Actually I think the reason why Vitali was granted "WBC Emeritus Champion" status was because of his 2nd run with the title when he came back and beat Sam Peter, and then held it for like 3 or 4 years or whatever. I know none of the names he beat during that time were particularly special, but I think that's why he has the WBC Emeritus status.

Of course he may have had it coming back in 2008 too. I don't recall. I suppose that would explain why he came back from a 4 year layoff to immediately get a shot at Peter.

He used that status to fight Peter. He was the scrub they invented that for.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑03 Oct 2017, 16:01

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I listed what he did to achieve this honor. While wlads resume is shallow in an atg sense, vitalis is nonexistent.

Actually I think the reason why Vitali was granted "WBC Emeritus Champion" status was because of his 2nd run with the title when he came back and beat Sam Peter, and then held it for like 3 or 4 years or whatever. I know none of the names he beat during that time were particularly special, but I think that's why he has the WBC Emeritus status.

Of course he may have had it coming back in 2008 too. I don't recall. I suppose that would explain why he came back from a 4 year layoff to immediately get a shot at Peter.

He used that status to fight Peter. He was the scrub they invented that for.

Between Vitali's two WBC title reigns. The title wasn't really held by anyone credible. Vitali knew the right time to come back.