WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Anyone in favour of this?

Poll ended at 05 Mar 2018, 05:18

Yes
14
27%
No
37
73%
 
Total votes: 51

blanca
Middleweight
Posts: 1868
Joined: 21 May 2014, 13:15

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by blanca »

tobyh5 wrote:How about actually conducting better drug testing. May find less guys weighing 250 than :lol:
Spot on! Some of these behemoths would shrink by quite a few llbs if theyre forced off the peds
Jon Saxon
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 1657
Joined: 22 Feb 2009, 16:16

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by Jon Saxon »

rm1 wrote:I would prefer a recalibration the light heavyweight limit is ridiculously low and should be raised to 185 lbs as for cruiser raise that to 210 and then over 210 can remain at heavy.
What is absurd is the idea that a 16 stone man is not at a disadvantage against an 18 stone man and small heavies that are able to surmount this are the exception and will I am certain be increasingly rare as the average in the division gets bigger.
You my good man are 100% correct.
Looking On
Super Middleweight
Posts: 927
Joined: 12 Oct 2012, 13:50

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by Looking On »

Ive seen a few unlicensed organisations doing super cruiser with a 15st limit and altering cruiser to 14st. In fact I've seen light heavy as 13 st in organisations doing such divisions too. I'm not saying that's the way to go, but to me it makes more sense than having super heavyweights
Bowdean
Lightweight
Posts: 1
Joined: 28 Jan 2018, 11:50

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by Bowdean »

It's not a popular opinion but I'm all for it the modern heavyweight is now over 6'5 and 230 pounds. Genetic giants like AJ , Wilder , and Fury are 6'6 6'7 and 6'9 respectively it's incredibly unfair and unsafe for a small 6'1 or 2 heavyweight who averages 220 pounds to compete nevermind win and they are far to big to boil down to cruiserweight and the current crop of heavyweight champions are not exception there the future with more giants like Jarrell miller Danial Dubious Joe Joyce and Tony yoka and Joseph Parker who is 6'4 230 pounds and considered a small heavyweight right on there tail how can we expect great talents like Andre Ward Oleksandr Usyk ,Marius Bredis and many other great athletes compete in a division that use to belong to men of there like for me a new division from 200-220 as Heavyweight and 220+ as super Heavyweight I know it's not a popular decision but I believe with all my heart it's the right one
Ruthless-RKO
Welterweight
Posts: 100697
Joined: 24 Apr 2016, 11:59

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

Bowdean wrote: 28 Jan 2018, 12:55 It's not a popular opinion but I'm all for it the modern heavyweight is now over 6'5 and 230 pounds. Genetic giants like AJ , Wilder , and Fury are 6'6 6'7 and 6'9 respectively it's incredibly unfair and unsafe for a small 6'1 or 2 heavyweight who averages 220 pounds to compete nevermind win and they are far to big to boil down to cruiserweight and the current crop of heavyweight champions are not exception there the future with more giants like Jarrell miller Danial Dubious Joe Joyce and Tony yoka and Joseph Parker who is 6'4 230 pounds and considered a small heavyweight right on there tail how can we expect great talents like Andre Ward Oleksandr Usyk ,Marius Bredis and many other great athletes compete in a division that use to belong to men of there like for me a new division from 200-220 as Heavyweight and 220+ as super Heavyweight I know it's not a popular decision but I believe with all my heart it's the right one
Wilder might be tall but he weighs around 220 pounds. Parker has been around 240 recently.
Heretic
Super Middleweight
Posts: 2046
Joined: 28 Oct 2012, 07:18

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by Heretic »

Belts belts belts... Belts for everyone... Black belts white belts... Super belts, Super duper belts, SSS-belts and more :twisted:

Terrible idea.

How about the guys that are too small to fight at heavy would go down to cruiser instead? Guys weighting 205 or 210 should be fighting there. Many of the lighter boxers cut way more than that.

Why should guys like Briedis and Adamek fight at HW? NOt to even mention Ward who spent most of the time at 168...

The jump from Light heavy to cruiser might be too big. That should be corrected by adjusting the weights. We don't need more divisions. And definitely NO MORE BELTS :brick:
asdfjkl
Heavyweight
Heavyweight

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by asdfjkl »

Who needs protection this time? Oh wait, ofcourse.
gilgamesh
Cruiserweight
Posts: 46243
Joined: 02 Sep 2010, 16:21

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by gilgamesh »

If they disrespect the greatest legacy in all of Sports by splitting the Heavyweight division. I'll never watch a WBC Title fight again until they cease to exist, and if any other sanctioning body follows them in their endeavor I'm just done with the sport.
gilgamesh
Cruiserweight
Posts: 46243
Joined: 02 Sep 2010, 16:21

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by gilgamesh »

skanksta wrote: 06 Oct 2017, 05:56 :shame:

We need less divisions not more :witzend:
At least 7 less
Ruthless-RKO
Welterweight
Posts: 100697
Joined: 24 Apr 2016, 11:59

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

gilgamesh wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 13:45 If they disrespect the greatest legacy in all of Sports by splitting the Heavyweight division. I'll never watch Boxing again.
What some said in the thread was have a super cruiserweight division up til 220 pounds. The highest weight has to be heavyweight though. Not super heavyweight.
gilgamesh
Cruiserweight
Posts: 46243
Joined: 02 Sep 2010, 16:21

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by gilgamesh »

Ruthless-RKO wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 13:50
gilgamesh wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 13:45 If they disrespect the greatest legacy in all of Sports by splitting the Heavyweight division. I'll never watch Boxing again.
What some said in the thread was have a super cruiserweight division up til 220 pounds. The highest weight has to be heavyweight though. Not super heavyweight.
No changes would be acceptable to me.

Heavyweight Champions used to weigh less than 200 pounds for f*cks sake.
jamamb
Lightweight
Posts: 14329
Joined: 17 Sep 2017, 05:37

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by jamamb »

if your 6'3 or shorter and cant get in great shape and then cut to make 200 pounds tough luck for you. but i think in reality a lot of hws could make 200 if they really were in top shape.
Ruthless-RKO
Welterweight
Posts: 100697
Joined: 24 Apr 2016, 11:59

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

jamamb wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 13:52 if your 6'3 or shorter and cant get in great shape and then cut to make 200 pounds tough luck for you. but i think in reality a lot of hws could make 200 if they really were in top shape.
Yeh, now days I can probably only name a few HW's that maybe have 10% or less fat.. The rest are just fat.
BitPlayer
Welterweight
Posts: 3527
Joined: 29 Feb 2016, 05:14

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by BitPlayer »

rm1 wrote: 06 Oct 2017, 05:55 would prefer a recalibration the light heavyweight limit is ridiculously low and should be raised to 185 lbs as for cruiser raise that to 210 and then over 210 can remain at heavy.
What is absurd is the idea that a 16 stone man is not at a disadvantage against an 18 stone man and small heavies that are able to surmount this are the exception and will I am certain be increasingly rare as the average in the division gets bigger.
There's hardly any heavyweights boxers that get to 18 stone without a lot of fat, and have any world level talent as boxers. I'm not convinced 2 stones of flab is some massive advantage that needs accounting for either. And without that you'd end up seeing world title challenger Gary Cornish.
jamamb
Lightweight
Posts: 14329
Joined: 17 Sep 2017, 05:37

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by jamamb »

loads of guys could get down to cruiser. you pretty much never see the fat on on contenders in other divisions tht you do on many hw contenders. being soft seems to be the norm, whereas aj, wilder, wlad types are the rarer.

guys like kownacki and ruiz are jokes.
Ruthless-RKO
Welterweight
Posts: 100697
Joined: 24 Apr 2016, 11:59

Re: WBC May Create New Division, Split Heavyweight Class in Two

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

WBC Prez: We Won't Be Splitting Heavyweights - It's Untouchable

Sulaiman was looking a the idea of making a super heavyweight division - for boxers who were 240-pounds and beyond.

Putting that plan into motion would create more harm than good. It would actually block a possible unification between Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua - as Wilder usually weighs around 214 to 229 and Joshua is between 240 to 250.

After reviewing everything, Sulaiman says there is no way the split would happen for a variety of reasons.

"We started this pilot program where we analyzed [the idea from a] medical, psychological and statistical aspect. From the 70s and 80s there have been significant changes in the division, but after studying the results, it revealed that there are not enough fighters who could enter the super heavyweight division," Sulaiman told Alvaro Carrera.

"So I think that the name and heavyweight division itself will not change, it is untouchable. It's true that in some fights the difference of weight is great.. for example Luis Ortiz had 30 pounds over Wilder in his last bout, but it did not worry us. The size difference between a light heavyweight and a cruiserweight is where we see the greatest advantage."

With respect to the cruiserweight division, Sulaiman was very satisfied with the initiative of the World Boxing Super Series, which united the best eight fighters in the division for an elimination tournament.

"The cruiserweight category is a big division, but it has suffered by being in the shadow of the heavyweights since it was born. There are big fighters, but with greater physical ability than the heavyweights. It's a very competitive division and the World Boxing Super Series has shown it. The best thing that has happened to the category is going to the big unification between Usyk and Gassiev, that will be a historic fight," Sulaiman said.
Post Reply