Vitali Klitschko said that if he would back he would KO Joshua

[jamamb]

aj 28 in a few weeks. prob 2 fights a year from now. by 32 thats like 8 more fights. easy work to surpass vit in that time (if not already) but harder for wlad. should still do it but division sucks. josh, wilder and? mr. 100nyear old drug addict? Mr. now 40 year old bowlcut? parker? even if he beats everyone there aint much great out there.

Aj a great talent. Hopefully gets opposition to achieve in line with his talent.easily better than the klits, esp vitali, , but feel he at risk for underachieving. Hopefully the 2016 olympians become impressive pros for him to beat.hes helped pump new energy into boxing.

[Ricky_]

Joshua is rubbish.

[Kalan]

Not even in his prime.

But he was ahead on points when an old unmotivated Lennox Lewis smashed his face to pieces.

Lennox didn't smash Vitali's face and you know it... He cut his left eyelid and cheek with illegal areas of his glove... Vitali almost knocked Lewis out when he didn't have blood streaming into his left eye in the first 2 rounds -- and so could see what he was doing and the target he was throwing at.. Emmanuel Steward told Lewis point blank that Vitali was winning the fight.

And Vitali was winning the fight on ALL SCORECARDS with it concluded... If the fight went to the scorecards He wins a Unanimous Technical Decision.

[Counter-puncher]

Everyone just give him this one

[Kalan]

Joshua is rubbish.

Nobody who's rubbish is makes millions for each fight and has millions of fans worldwide... If he's rubbish what are you??? ... More hating going on.

[man]

Joshua is rubbish.

please.

[Ilya Muromets]

Not even in his prime.

But he was ahead on points when an old unmotivated Lennox Lewis smashed his face to pieces.

Lennox didn't smash Vitali's face and you know it... He cut his left eyelid and cheek with illegal areas of his glove... Vitali almost knocked Lewis out when he didn't have blood streaming into his left eye in the first 2 rounds -- and so could see what he was doing and the target he was throwing at.. Emmanuel Steward told Lewis point blank that Vitali was winning the fight.

And Vitali was winning the fight on ALL SCORECARDS with it concluded... If the fight went to the scorecards He wins a Unanimous Technical Decision.

If there had been an honest ref Lewis would have been disqualified. He first raked his glove over Vitali’s face and then spent the whole fight rubbing his glove and his steel wool hair into the cut to open it up. Vitali had never even been cut before in his whole career including kickboxing.

Is it possible that Vitali can come back to avenge his little brother’s loss - and he shouldn’t have lost anyway because he had Joshua out on his feet and then he totally and inexplicably didn’t follow up and finish him off?

[ewenhay]

But he was ahead on points when an old unmotivated Lennox Lewis smashed his face to pieces.

Lennox didn't smash Vitali's face and you know it... He cut his left eyelid and cheek with illegal areas of his glove... Vitali almost knocked Lewis out when he didn't have blood streaming into his left eye in the first 2 rounds -- and so could see what he was doing and the target he was throwing at.. Emmanuel Steward told Lewis point blank that Vitali was winning the fight.

And Vitali was winning the fight on ALL SCORECARDS with it concluded... If the fight went to the scorecards He wins a Unanimous Technical Decision.

If there had been an honest ref Lewis would have been disqualified. He first raked his glove over Vitali’s face and then spent the whole fight rubbing his glove and his steel wool hair into the cut to open it up. Vitali had never even been cut before in his whole career including kickboxing.

Is it possible that Vitali can come back to avenge his little brother’s loss - and he shouldn’t have lost anyway because he had Joshua out on his feet and then he totally and inexplicably didn’t follow up and finish him off?

I can't see this fight happening and if it does I think Vitali will lose. He's been gone too long and had significant wear and tear before he even made his first comeback. I'd be surprised if he's serious about this. He might see flaws in Joshua that he can exploit but I'd be surprised if he has the tools now to do it himself

[Ilya Muromets]

Lennox didn't smash Vitali's face and you know it... He cut his left eyelid and cheek with illegal areas of his glove... Vitali almost knocked Lewis out when he didn't have blood streaming into his left eye in the first 2 rounds -- and so could see what he was doing and the target he was throwing at.. Emmanuel Steward told Lewis point blank that Vitali was winning the fight.

And Vitali was winning the fight on ALL SCORECARDS with it concluded... If the fight went to the scorecards He wins a Unanimous Technical Decision.

If there had been an honest ref Lewis would have been disqualified. He first raked his glove over Vitali’s face and then spent the whole fight rubbing his glove and his steel wool hair into the cut to open it up. Vitali had never even been cut before in his whole career including kickboxing.

Is it possible that Vitali can come back to avenge his little brother’s loss - and he shouldn’t have lost anyway because he had Joshua out on his feet and then he totally and inexplicably didn’t follow up and finish him off?

I can't see this fight happening and if it does I think Vitali will lose. He's been gone too long and had significant wear and tear before he even made his first comeback. I'd be surprised if he's serious about this. He might see flaws in Joshua that he can exploit but I'd be surprised if he has the tools now to do it himself

It would be amazing if he did come back. He is currently the mayor of Kiev, Ukraine and has been so since June 2014, so it will be four years in June. When does his term expire? Maybe four years. He's 46, not too old. He was always my favorite. Wladimir was the most sensational especially in his earlier days, but there was always something a little off about him, his chin, his personal life, and now the way he almost deliberately let Joshua escape and then win.

[Ossyrules]

Lewis beat Vitali legitimately on cuts

Those who are crying fouls need to get real. It wasn’t a dirty performance but things get rough in boxing sometimes

[candyslim]

@Kalan and @Man. The kid is either a moron or a troll, perhaps both. Save your monkey-nuts, don't feed him.

[Kalan]

If there had been an honest ref Lewis would have been disqualified. He first raked his glove over Vitali’s face and then spent the whole fight rubbing his glove and his steel wool hair into the cut to open it up. Vitali had never even been cut before in his whole career including kickboxing.

Is it possible that Vitali can come back to avenge his little brother’s loss - and he shouldn’t have lost anyway because he had Joshua out on his feet and then he totally and inexplicably didn’t follow up and finish him off?

I can't see this fight happening and if it does I think Vitali will lose. He's been gone too long and had significant wear and tear before he even made his first comeback. I'd be surprised if he's serious about this. He might see flaws in Joshua that he can exploit but I'd be surprised if he has the tools now to do it himself

It would be amazing if he did come back. He is currently the mayor of Kiev, Ukraine and has been so since June 2014, so it will be four years in June. When does his term expire? Maybe four years. He's 46, not too old. He was always my favorite. Wladimir was the most sensational especially in his earlier days, but there was always something a little off about him, his chin, his personal life, and now the way he almost deliberately let Joshua escape and then win.

He did the best his 41-year-old body would allow him to do... and that included following up the Joshua knockdown with hard driven blows... Klitschko's KO ratio is testament to his ability to finish opponents off -- being the FIRST man to KO many of his opponents: Thompson, Chambers, Brock, Chagaev, and several others.. Nothing "off" about him.. He had technical flaws like EVERY boxer has.. And some really huge flaws before Emmanuel Steward became his coach.

[man]

But he was ahead on points when an old unmotivated Lennox Lewis smashed his face to pieces.

Lennox didn't smash Vitali's face and you know it... He cut his left eyelid and cheek with illegal areas of his glove... Vitali almost knocked Lewis out when he didn't have blood streaming into his left eye in the first 2 rounds -- and so could see what he was doing and the target he was throwing at.. Emmanuel Steward told Lewis point blank that Vitali was winning the fight.

And Vitali was winning the fight on ALL SCORECARDS with it concluded... If the fight went to the scorecards He wins a Unanimous Technical Decision.

If there had been an honest ref Lewis would have been disqualified. He first raked his glove over Vitali’s face and then spent the whole fight rubbing his glove and his steel wool hair into the cut to open it up. Vitali had never even been cut before in his whole career including kickboxing.

Is it possible that Vitali can come back to avenge his little brother’s loss - and he shouldn’t have lost anyway because he had Joshua out on his feet and then he totally and inexplicably didn’t follow up and finish him off?

i was always a fan of the ks from their
early beginnings, but i try this bias not
to distract my judgment.

lennox won fair and square. yes, he was
behind on the cards and while he used
all tricks in the bag of an old fighting
cat he in the end won on gashing cuts
that came from a legal blows. vitali was
unlucky that day. but he was not cheated
out of winning.

today he has no business being in the
ring with AJ. george foreman was a big
exception and even he could only win a
title in his second coming because of a
weak champion fighting a not too smart
fight.

vitali kind of revoked old feelings of him
avenging the kid brother but everyone
who ever followed boxing for more than
a week should know that there is no no
no way he could make what his younger,
active brother failed to do. and of course
he knows that all too well himself.

the ks are boxing history now.

[Ilya Muromets]

lennox won fair and square....

I do not agree. I once went over the film of that fight meticulously pausing it and backing it up and taking exact notes of all the many times that Lewis deliberately first slashed Vitali's face by raking his face with the lacing on his glove and then using his glove and his head to exacerbate the cut. Vitali was never been even cut before or after in his entire career including his kickboxing career.

[man]

lennox won fair and square....

I do not agree. I once went over the film of that fight meticulously pausing it and backing it up and taking exact notes of all the many times that Lewis deliberately first slashed Vitali's face by raking his face with the lacing on his glove and then using his glove and his head to exacerbate the cut. Vitali was never been even cut before or after in his entire career including his kickboxing career.

still, nothing of that is illegal
or excessively dirty. it is not
like he tampered his gloves
or anything. from what i can
remember they both were
exhausted at some point and
heads coming together in a
fight is not really dirty unless
it is a head butt.

but you seem to have studied
it and that might be a good
reason to watch it again.

[Ilya Muromets]

lennox won fair and square....

I do not agree. I once went over the film of that fight meticulously pausing it and backing it up and taking exact notes of all the many times that Lewis deliberately first slashed Vitali's face by raking his face with the lacing on his glove and then using his glove and his head to exacerbate the cut. Vitali was never been even cut before or after in his entire career including his kickboxing career.

still, nothing of that is illegal
or excessively dirty. it is not
like he tampered his gloves
or anything. from what i can
remember they both were
exhausted at some point and
heads coming together in a
fight is not really dirty unless
it is a head butt.

but you seem to have studied
it and that might be a good
reason to watch it again.

Yes please do. I'd like to know your impression because you sound fair. Unfortunately I don't think I can find the notes I took at that time which included the precise times in each round.

[Kalan]

lennox won fair and square....

I do not agree. I once went over the film of that fight meticulously pausing it and backing it up and taking exact notes of all the many times that Lewis deliberately first slashed Vitali's face by raking his face with the lacing on his glove and then using his glove and his head to exacerbate the cut. Vitali was never been even cut before or after in his entire career including his kickboxing career.

still, nothing of that is illegal
or excessively dirty. it is not
like he tampered his gloves
or anything. from what i can
remember they both were
exhausted at some point and
heads coming together in a
fight is not really dirty unless
it is a head butt.

but you seem to have studied
it and that might be a good
reason to watch it again.

WTF??? ... Nothing illegal or dirty???? ... Palming your opponent's face, head-work, thumb strikes, and holding and hitting are all fouls.

[man]

Yes please do. I'd like to know your impression because you sound fair. Unfortunately I don't think I can find the notes I took at that time which included the precise times in each round.

watched it again. to be honest i still don't see the foul play by
lennox, but i do see how you can construct it if you take every
little thing that he did which had to do with the cuts. the main
one above the eye was opened by a legal punch. the idea he
intentionally opened it with the laces seems really far fetched
to me. typical post fact analysis. how about the gazillion other
punches in his career that did not open cuts like that? how could
he possibly know that this one would? besides the fact that it is
the commission's task to provide reasonable gear and not his.

i did not see him intentionally rubbing his hair into the wound,
but i did see two exhausted mean leaning on each other. at one
point where he could rub in, he actually had the glove between
to protect himself from a rabbit punch.

if you want to see a pattern of fouls you will find it in any fight
if you look hard enough. lennox did no butting, no low blows,
no excessive holding. at one point he held vitali with the left
and punched ten time to the kidney with the right, in plain sight
of the ref. i do not know if that is legal or not. foreman and the
mods had a debate about this. aside of that i really do not see
the evidence for foul play. but of course lennox had all the interest
in the world to make this cut open as much as possible. from what
i saw it was pretty much the jab he did that with.

[man]

I do not agree. I once went over the film of that fight meticulously pausing it and backing it up and taking exact notes of all the many times that Lewis deliberately first slashed Vitali's face by raking his face with the lacing on his glove and then using his glove and his head to exacerbate the cut. Vitali was never been even cut before or after in his entire career including his kickboxing career.

still, nothing of that is illegal
or excessively dirty. it is not
like he tampered his gloves
or anything. from what i can
remember they both were
exhausted at some point and
heads coming together in a
fight is not really dirty unless
it is a head butt.

but you seem to have studied
it and that might be a good
reason to watch it again.

WTF??? ... Nothing illegal or dirty???? ... Palming your opponent's face, head-work, thumb strikes, and holding and hitting are all fouls.

well, i did not see that. i saw two tired
fighters, leaning on each other at times.
but i admit i might be to stupid and blind,
since i have no idea how to see "thumb
strikes". holding and hitting he did at one
point to the kidneys.

portraying this fight as excessive foul
play by lennox is plain and simple wrong
for me. and it was not discussed by the
tv guys, nor afterwards by vitali. the real
scandal is the missing rematch. all you
guys come up with is ... not.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Why is it any Vitali threads, no matter what the thread is about, even if it is hardly about Vitali.. It always turns into a Vitali vs. Lewis thread..

Another thread ruined

[man]

Why is it any Vitali threads, no matter what the thread is about, even if it is hardly about Vitali.. It always turns into a Vitali vs. Lewis thread..

Another thread ruined

because it is the most outstanding
achievement in his career that he
came close to beating an ATG plus
it was controversial.

that. simple.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Why is it any Vitali threads, no matter what the thread is about, even if it is hardly about Vitali.. It always turns into a Vitali vs. Lewis thread..

Another thread ruined

Probably because it's the only major thing in vitalis career. Would you rather talk about his massive displays against gatekeepers? Completely underwhelming career during an underwhelming era. He wishes he was as proven as John Ruiz.

[Tony1244]

Joshua is rubbish.

Yeah Pulev and Pedvikin are much better.

[Tomasino]

Why is it any Vitali threads, no matter what the thread is about, even if it is hardly about Vitali.. It always turns into a Vitali vs. Lewis thread..

Another thread ruined

Probably because it's the only major thing in vitalis career. Would you rather talk about his massive displays against gatekeepers? Completely underwhelming career during an underwhelming era. He wishes he was as proven as John Ruiz.

Provocative at first glance

[greg]

Joshua is rubbish.

Yeah Pulev and Pedvikin are much better.

who the hell is Pedvikin?