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Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 11:42
by asdfjkl
Tony1244 wrote:asdfjkl wrote:tiny_acres wrote:What I don't understand. Is everyone saying Joshua won't fight Wilder until he faced a Povetkin or an Ortiz.
No matter who Wilder fights the biggest fight at Heavyweight is Joshua vs Wilder is the biggest fight that can be made.
It is the divisions money fight.
It is the ONLY money fight
Sorry, but every AJ fight is a money fight and a Wilder vs Klitschko, Ortiz, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Pulev and a bit lower Breazeale, Takam, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Chisora, Jun Long Zhang, Oscar Rivas, Schwarz, Jennings, Wach, Dubois, Yoka, could also generate some money.
But not doping user Stiverne, doping test skipper Stiverne, drug addict Arreola (who still made Wilder a cripple despite his drug addiction), plateworker Doewoepas and that teacher, what was his name again? Miliano or something, or the hooligan that recently got smashed around by that Polish guy called Kownacki.
Sorry for Wilder, but he simply ain't worth attention before he fought someone. Klitschko fought Povetkin, Pulev, Jennings. Povetkin fought Takam, Klitschko, Wach. Parker fought Takam, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr. Whyte fought Chisora. Jennings fought Klitschko.
But Wilder? No, he fought nobody.
Wilder would have fought Povetkin and Ortiz but they couldn't keep the needle out of their butt.
That's a plain lie, Stiverne and Arreola doped, Ortiz and Povetkin didn't.
Ortiz is taking this medicine for years and is checked by vada for years and that's probably how Wilder knew beforehand he had this excuse and that's also why Stiverne accepted a fight he knew he would get KOed in within the first round. Stiverne knew he could do it safe this time as well, since he also had similar protection against the innocent Povetkin, who had to fight some bum because of it.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 11:56
by candyslim
Asdfjkl you don't do your case much good. Obviously in the absence of Klitschko and Tyson Fury, and the downfall of David Haye, there is presently no bigger fight for AJ than Deontay Wilder but it could be a hell of a lot bigger.
That's relating to your post at the foot of page 1.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 13:02
by apollo creed
asdfjkl wrote:tiny_acres wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
Sorry, but every AJ fight is a money fight and a Wilder vs Klitschko, Ortiz, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Pulev and a bit lower Breazeale, Takam, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Chisora, Jun Long Zhang, Oscar Rivas, Schwarz, Jennings, Wach, Dubois, Yoka, could also generate some money.
But not doping user Stiverne, doping test skipper Stiverne, drug addict Arreola (who still made Wilder a cripple despite his drug addiction), plateworker Doewoepas and that teacher, what was his name again? Miliano or something, or the hooligan that recently got smashed around by that Polish guy called Kownacki.
Sorry for Wilder, but he simply ain't worth attention before he fought someone. Klitschko fought Povetkin, Pulev, Jennings. Povetkin fought Takam, Klitschko, Wach. Parker fought Takam, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr. Whyte fought Chisora. Jennings fought Klitschko.
But Wilder? No, he fought nobody.
Please answer honestly.
What fight at heavyweight is bigger than Joshua vs Wilder????
Joshua vs Wlad, Joshua vs Povetkin, Ortiz, Parker, Pulev, in shape Tyson Fury, Dubois, Yoka, Jun Long Zhang and so on.
Haye too, if he beats Bellew in rematch.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 14:46
by tiny_acres
asdfjkl wrote:tiny_acres wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
Sorry, but every AJ fight is a money fight and a Wilder vs Klitschko, Ortiz, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Pulev and a bit lower Breazeale, Takam, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Chisora, Jun Long Zhang, Oscar Rivas, Schwarz, Jennings, Wach, Dubois, Yoka, could also generate some money.
But not doping user Stiverne, doping test skipper Stiverne, drug addict Arreola (who still made Wilder a cripple despite his drug addiction), plateworker Doewoepas and that teacher, what was his name again? Miliano or something, or the hooligan that recently got smashed around by that Polish guy called Kownacki.
Sorry for Wilder, but he simply ain't worth attention before he fought someone. Klitschko fought Povetkin, Pulev, Jennings. Povetkin fought Takam, Klitschko, Wach. Parker fought Takam, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr. Whyte fought Chisora. Jennings fought Klitschko.
But Wilder? No, he fought nobody.
Please answer honestly.
What fight at heavyweight is bigger than Joshua vs Wilder????
Joshua vs Wlad, Joshua vs Povetkin, Ortiz, Parker, Pulev, in shape Tyson Fury, Dubois, Yoka, Jun Long Zhang and so on.
You prove your ignorance once again
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 14:47
by asdfjkl
apollo creed wrote:asdfjkl wrote:tiny_acres wrote:
Please answer honestly.
What fight at heavyweight is bigger than Joshua vs Wilder????
Joshua vs Wlad, Joshua vs Povetkin, Ortiz, Parker, Pulev, in shape Tyson Fury, Dubois, Yoka, Jun Long Zhang and so on.
Haye too, if he beats Bellew in rematch.
Which he won't, both of them are too low leveled anyway, Haye is like the UK Wilder, talks talks talks.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 14:49
by gilgamesh
Or it's that Wilder was, is and will remain the most Protected Heavyweight going
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 14:59
by jamamb
gilgamesh wrote:Or it's that Wilder was, is and will remain the most Protected Heavyweight going
signed to fight two top five opponents and only one of those was mandatory.
tell me, where do you rank him in the division.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 15:00
by man
my assessment is quite simple: once
wilder starts fighting real opponents
i trust in what he says. before that: BS.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 15:38
by apollo creed
gilgamesh wrote:Or it's that Wilder was, is and will remain the most Protected Heavyweight going
He is like Seth Mitchel was till the cherrypicking went wrong. Wilder would get matched with more bums till somehow the public would demand him to fight a top fighter and that would be Joshua, which basically is Wilder's dream to cash out. Till then Wilder is gonna stay safe and fight washed up-unfit bums.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 15:54
by gilgamesh
jamamb wrote:gilgamesh wrote:Or it's that Wilder was, is and will remain the most Protected Heavyweight going
signed to fight two top five opponents and only one of those was mandatory.
tell me, where do you rank him in the division.
#2 behind AJ.
The entire weight class has a weak resume at the moment pretty much, Wilder is no exception.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 15:56
by jamamb
so he signed to fight two top 5 opponents, and even without them you have him #2. should you really be so critical of a guy like that?
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 15:58
by gilgamesh
jamamb wrote:so he signed to fight two top 5 opponents, and even without them you have him #2. should you really be so critical of a guy like that?
Shouldn't you and every other Boxing fan expect more out of a fighter in Wilder's position?
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 16:04
by ewenhay
asdfjkl wrote:tiny_acres wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
Sorry, but every AJ fight is a money fight and a Wilder vs Klitschko, Ortiz, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Pulev and a bit lower Breazeale, Takam, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr, Chisora, Jun Long Zhang, Oscar Rivas, Schwarz, Jennings, Wach, Dubois, Yoka, could also generate some money.
But not doping user Stiverne, doping test skipper Stiverne, drug addict Arreola (who still made Wilder a cripple despite his drug addiction), plateworker Doewoepas and that teacher, what was his name again? Miliano or something, or the hooligan that recently got smashed around by that Polish guy called Kownacki.
Sorry for Wilder, but he simply ain't worth attention before he fought someone. Klitschko fought Povetkin, Pulev, Jennings. Povetkin fought Takam, Klitschko, Wach. Parker fought Takam, Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz Jr. Whyte fought Chisora. Jennings fought Klitschko.
But Wilder? No, he fought nobody.
Please answer honestly.
What fight at heavyweight is bigger than Joshua vs Wilder????
Joshua vs Wlad, Joshua vs Povetkin, Ortiz, Parker, Pulev, in shape Tyson Fury, Dubois, Yoka, Jun Long Zhang and so on.
Nah, Joshua v Wilder is the biggest fight in the Heavyweight division at the moment by a country mile regardless of what you think of either fighter
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 16:07
by gilgamesh
ewenhay wrote:
Nah, Joshua v Wilder is the biggest fight in the Heavyweight division at the moment by a country mile regardless of what you think of either fighter
No question. Very seldom is there a bigger fight to be made than the #1 guy vs the #2 guy in a division.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 16:17
by apollo creed
The problem is Wilder just stood safe by fighting bums and not test himself against a top fighter. He pretty much did nothing spectacular aside of beating bums to deserve a big fight with Joshua. Not to mention that Wilder fan-base is small. He's not a draw.
Golovkin had to fight Lemieux, Brook and Jacobs to get to Canelo.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 16:19
by jamamb
gilgamesh wrote:jamamb wrote:so he signed to fight two top 5 opponents, and even without them you have him #2. should you really be so critical of a guy like that?
Shouldn't you and every other Boxing fan expect more out of a fighter in Wilder's position?
he signed on twice to fight boogeymen. they cheated and caused the fights to be cancelled. even with those not happening hes still fought enough quality to be top 3 on most lists. his opposition isnt as bad as most say. still lots of time for it to improve.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 19:32
by Badhusker
Could anyone imagine....if Joshua got up the courage to fight Wilder, and Wilder KO'd him, how many on this board would we have to put on suicide watch? I can think of at least half a dozen, and at least one of them is a mod.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 19:44
by jamamb
if that fight got made there would be preemptive 'aj is actually a bum' just in case wilder did win
thing with the wilder criticism is that its so emotional. you can tell it comes mainly from ppl who will move goal posts and do their best not to give him credit.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 20:26
by asdfjkl
gilgamesh wrote:ewenhay wrote:
Nah, Joshua v Wilder is the biggest fight in the Heavyweight division at the moment by a country mile regardless of what you think of either fighter
No question. Very seldom is there a bigger fight to be made than the #1 guy vs the #2 guy in a division.
In the UK, many people know Parker better as Wilder for example. And even Povetkin is ranked higher.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 22:15
by gilgamesh
Badhusker wrote:Could anyone imagine....if Joshua got up the courage to fight Wilder, and Wilder KO'd him, how many on this board would we have to put on suicide watch? I can think of at least half a dozen, and at least one of them is a mod.
If you're referring to me I'd be just fine if Wilder knocked out Joshua. I have no problem with the better man winning a fight even if the better man isn't a favorite of mine. I don't think he'd do it, but that don't mean it'd hurt my feelings if he did. If Wilder won it'd just mean he's better than I thought he was, and I'd say so.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 23:01
by KiwiRider
gilgamesh wrote:Badhusker wrote:Could anyone imagine....if Joshua got up the courage to fight Wilder, and Wilder KO'd him, how many on this board would we have to put on suicide watch? I can think of at least half a dozen, and at least one of them is a mod.
If you're referring to me I'd be just fine if Wilder knocked out Joshua. I have no problem with the better man winning a fight even if the better man isn't a favorite of mine. I don't think he'd do it, but that don't mean it'd hurt my feelings if he did. If Wilder won it'd just mean he's better than I thought he was, and I'd say so.
I think it's a very real possibility that Wilder could KO Sir Humblelot. That's what makes it an exciting fight.
As for putting half the blokes on this forum into a suicide watch, what about our wives?
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 23:38
by punchoutsb
Badhusker wrote:Ossyrules wrote:Badhusker wrote:
True. For example, I would look forward to reading about how he did vs Povetkin or Ortiz.
I understand it’s not completely his fault, but after a while all people think is this guy is all talk no action.
I’ll look forward to Joshua brutalising him
I listened to the interview. Apparently we will have to wait until Joshua grows a pair before he can brutalize Wilder...
So the guy who has been dusting Wilders sack for the last five years is now saying AJ needs to grow a pair.
You and Deontay may be the best love story I've ever read.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 23:45
by SaadOffTheDeck
ewenhay wrote:asdfjkl wrote:tiny_acres wrote:
Please answer honestly.
What fight at heavyweight is bigger than Joshua vs Wilder????
Joshua vs Wlad, Joshua vs Povetkin, Ortiz, Parker, Pulev, in shape Tyson Fury, Dubois, Yoka, Jun Long Zhang and so on.
Nah, Joshua v Wilder is the biggest fight in the Heavyweight division at the moment by a country mile regardless of what you think of either fighter
I don't know man, aj vs Zhang would be massive!
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 23:53
by asdfjkl
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:ewenhay wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
Joshua vs Wlad, Joshua vs Povetkin, Ortiz, Parker, Pulev, in shape Tyson Fury, Dubois, Yoka, Jun Long Zhang and so on.
Nah, Joshua v Wilder is the biggest fight in the Heavyweight division at the moment by a country mile regardless of what you think of either fighter
I don't know man, aj vs Zhang would be massive!
Fabio Maldonado would generate similar numbers as Wilder.
Re: Wilder about AJ: "It's either two things, you're scared or you're doping."
Posted: 09 Oct 2017, 05:34
by candyslim
punchoutsb wrote:Badhusker wrote:Ossyrules wrote:
I understand it’s not completely his fault, but after a while all people think is this guy is all talk no action.
I’ll look forward to Joshua brutalising him
I listened to the interview. Apparently we will have to wait until Joshua grows a pair before he can brutalize Wilder...
So the guy who has been dusting Wilders sack for the last five years is now saying AJ needs to grow a pair.
You and Deontay may be the best love story I've ever read.
"Hey Doc, help me I got something clamped to my asshole, and it's sucking like it's on its mamas titty"
"Remove your clothing Mr. Wilder and touch your toes" ... "ah yes it is as you describe"
"What it is Doc?"
"It is a living parasitic entity which survives by ingesting, regurgitating, and recycling your waste matter. This one appears particularly stubborn"
"Does it got a name Doc?"
"I won't trouble you with the Latin, Mr Wilder but it is commonly known as a husker. There are different levels of severity and what you have here is a bad husker"