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BAD INTENTIONS wrote: He wasn't called the Executioner because he was landing 10 punches a round. He used to stop most of his opponents.
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you mean, apart from the 10 or so Middleweight title fights of his that went 12 rounds? what a putz you are.

Bad Intentions is correct if he's talking about prime BHOP from 95-99, who KO/TKO'd everyone he fought except like 2 fighters.

Prime Hopkins had everything, intelligence, technique, speed and power, and was battering undefeated dangerous fighters like Joe Lipsey and Glen Johnson.

That version of Hopkins is almost unbeatable and would even beat Sugar Ray Robinson imo.

An old version of BHOP beats not 1, but 2 "golden boys" of his time, and even stops both of them, not allowing the judges to play a factor at all.

Im sure Triple G would agree that that is quite the feat.

An even older BHOP almost knocked out Taylor in the first fight, even though i had taylor winning by a point, would have been great to see Hopkins pull it off and he almost did, and he should've got the decision in the rematch.

But yes, Trinidad would get mangled here, neither him or Delahoya belong in the ring with ATG middleweights, and i believe Triple G has what it takes to be considered one when his career is over, especially if he retires undefeated.

prime trinidad was terrific. tito for me.

prime tito not a middlweight though. but deffo p4p better than ggg.

Counter-puncher wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: He wasn't called the Executioner because he was landing 10 punches a round. He used to stop most of his opponents.
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you mean, apart from the 10 or so Middleweight title fights of his that went 12 rounds? what a putz you are.

You are an idiot who doesn't know sh1t about boxing.
You don't even know what I'm talking about, so why even respond you dumb ass?

phillykid wrote:Bad Intentions is correct if he's talking about prime BHOP from 95-99, who KO/TKO'd everyone he fought except like 2 fighters.

Prime Hopkins had everything, intelligence, technique, speed and power, and was battering undefeated dangerous fighters like Joe Lipsey and Glen Johnson.

That version of Hopkins is almost unbeatable and would even beat Sugar Ray Robinson imo.

I wouldn't go that far.
But, after watching Hopkins dismantle Tarver, and even impose himself physically,
I said that prime Hopkins would beat any 160 pounder all-time except SRR.

To me, the main factor is defense. Prime Hopkins can reduce ANY fighter's work rate.
He also was able to maintain a lightweight movement pace for 12 rounds.

Prime Hopkins would shutout prime GGG.
"Styles make fights" and GGG is tailor made for Hopkins.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: I wouldn't go that far.
But, after watching Hopkins dismantle Tarver, and even impose himself physically,
I said that prime Hopkins would beat any 160 pounder all-time except SRR.

To me, the main factor is defense. Prime Hopkins can reduce ANY fighter's work rate.
He also was able to maintain a lightweight movement pace for 12 rounds.

Prime Hopkins would shutout prime GGG.
"Styles make fights" and GGG is tailor made for Hopkins.

Hagler, Monzon and Harry Greb would be a hell of a hard time for him too. Plus I figure a guy like Tiger Flowers would trouble him.

Some of your speedier Middleweights could give him a lot of problems too. Hopkins has trouble with exceptional speed. Hell most anybody does.

I figure Hearns would be a handful for him as well.

gilgamesh wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: I wouldn't go that far.
But, after watching Hopkins dismantle Tarver, and even impose himself physically,
I said that prime Hopkins would beat any 160 pounder all-time except SRR.

To me, the main factor is defense. Prime Hopkins can reduce ANY fighter's work rate.
He also was able to maintain a lightweight movement pace for 12 rounds.

Prime Hopkins would shutout prime GGG.
"Styles make fights" and GGG is tailor made for Hopkins.

Hagler, Monzon and Harry Greb would be a hell of a hard time for him too. Plus I figure a guy like Tiger Flowers would trouble him.

Some of your speedier Middleweights could give him a lot of problems too. Hopkins has trouble with exceptional speed. Hell most anybody does.

I figure Hearns would be a handful for him as well.

I think we tend to underrate the term "all-time great defense".
An all-time great offense is really a gamble against another great.
However, that defense is a constant.

What does Hagler, Monzon and Greb do when Hopkins takes away their top 2 offensive weapons.
And he can do that with his ALL-TIME GREAT DEFENSE. Not 90's great ...
ALL-TIME GREAT.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: I think we tend to underrate the term "all-time great defense".
An all-time great offense is really a gamble against another great.
However, that defense is a constant.

What does Hagler, Monzon and Greb do when Hopkins takes away their top 2 offensive weapons.
And he can do that with his ALL-TIME GREAT DEFENSE. Not 90's great ...
ALL-TIME GREAT.

Hagler was a sharp boxer as well who had solid all around boxing skills including defense in his own right. Monzon too. Now Greb as I understand it was more of a relentless swarmer type so maybe Hops would be able to shut that down.

gilgamesh wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: I think we tend to underrate the term "all-time great defense".
An all-time great offense is really a gamble against another great.
However, that defense is a constant.

What does Hagler, Monzon and Greb do when Hopkins takes away their top 2 offensive weapons.
And he can do that with his ALL-TIME GREAT DEFENSE. Not 90's great ...
ALL-TIME GREAT.

Hagler was a sharp boxer as well who had solid all around boxing skills including defense in his own right. Monzon too. Now Greb as I understand it was more of a relentless swarmer type so maybe Hops would be able to shut that down.

Once again, all-time great. Let’s stop underrating defense. In football, people pick teams with dominant defenses in their greatest teams of all time list because people respect the constant of great defense.

agree that hop clowns gennady 'face defense'. prob 12-0 in realty but judges would prob be generous and score more around 10-2/9-3

prme hagler could box though. hes not nearly as lmted as ggg plus hes an even better 'fghter'.he ant gettng totally shut down. guys dd win rounds aganst hop btw. wasnt totally untouchable.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Once again, all-time great. Let’s stop underrating defense. In football, people pick teams with dominant defenses in their greatest teams of all time list because people respect the constant of great defense.

You act as if Hagler and Monzon were completely inept defenders or something. They had great defense too, and Monzon similarly to Hopkins often fought at a measured pace.

its an insult to hagler to lump his boxing in with gggs. hagler superior in skill, speed, stamina, in fighting, out fighting, and heck probably even chin even though ggg very strong there. power similar.

dont know much about monzon. he looks pretty slow from wut ive seen but he obv got the job done at a high level.

jamamb wrote:agree that hop clowns gennady 'face defense'. prob 12-0 in realty but judges would prob be generous and score more around 10-2/9-3

prme hagler could box though. hes not nearly as lmted as ggg plus hes an even better 'fghter'.he ant gettng totally shut down. guys dd win rounds aganst hop btw. wasnt totally untouchable.

Hagler looked pretty inept against a Welterweight coming off a 3-year-layoff -- who (SRL) looked terrible in his last fight with Kevin Howard.. Hag was pretty damned limited and couldn't even deck or stop Marcos Geraldo out who'd been knocked out 10 times before.. Hopkins looked like crap against the minimally aggressive and completely hittable Jermain Taylor, a guy who couldn't stop a punch with anything but his face.. Golovkin has one of the best jabs in the game.. He would be on the light punching Hopkins like Kovlev was and totally outwork him.

Remember Hopkins bragging that he'd beat Kovalev "a lot easier than I beat Pavlik" ... Just wondered what comparison he saw in Pavlik and Kovalev.

jamamb wrote:agree that hop clowns gennady 'face defense'. prob 12-0

Exactly. Like he clowned Kovalev and Taylor before that.

boxing_rocks wrote:

jamamb wrote:agree that hop clowns gennady 'face defense'. prob 12-0

Exactly. Like he clowned Kovalev and Taylor before that.

He was in his 40's in both of those fights. Hell he was 49 for the Kovalev fight. So those aren't the best examples of what Hopkins would've been capable of in his prime.

I like how GGG has turned into a MW no hoper all of a sudden. It's not like Hopkins fought what could be considered very good competition during his prime of primes. In that regard, they're about equal. It's what Hopkins did to the generation that came after once he moved up in weight that puts him above most.

Hopkins would be favored, but not as much as people are making out. Conversely, GGG isn't as big a favorite against Tito as people are making out either. Golovkin has never faced anyone with that kind of power and while he had poor foot movement he was a very technical puncher. He also hit harder than Hopkins at Middleweight. Ask Joppy.

Agreed, although I see the general view of Hopkins>Golovkin>Trinidad as being the right one, the gulf isn't as wide as being made.

Blodhemn wrote:Agreed, although I see the general view of Hopkins>Golovkin>Trinidad as being the right one, the gulf isn't as wide as being made.

We're all guilty of speaking too much in obsoletes with hypothetical match ups from time to time. Like we're always right. That being said, I'd love to place a large bet that GGG wouldn't lose 120-108 to Hopkins.

No brainer Tito wins by TKO

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hopkins would be favored, but not as much as people are making out. Conversely, GGG isn't as big a favorite against Tito as people are making out either. Golovkin has never faced anyone with that kind of power and while he had poor foot movement he was a very technical puncher. He also hit harder than Hopkins at Middleweight. Ask Joppy.

Golovkin is really quite a strong favourite to beat Trinidad. It’s hard to say otherwise imo. Puncher be puncher always favours the guy who has a bit of something else other than the big shots, ie golovkin, jab, cutting off the ring.

I’m on board with you about Hopkins though. He’s favoured in this match up but it’s not foregone

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

phillykid wrote:Bad Intentions is correct if he's talking about prime BHOP from 95-99, who KO/TKO'd everyone he fought except like 2 fighters.

Prime Hopkins had everything, intelligence, technique, speed and power, and was battering undefeated dangerous fighters like Joe Lipsey and Glen Johnson.

That version of Hopkins is almost unbeatable and would even beat Sugar Ray Robinson imo.

I wouldn't go that far.
But, after watching Hopkins dismantle Tarver, and even impose himself physically,
I said that prime Hopkins would beat any 160 pounder all-time except SRR.

To me, the main factor is defense. Prime Hopkins can reduce ANY fighter's work rate.
He also was able to maintain a lightweight movement pace for 12 rounds.

Prime Hopkins would shutout prime GGG.
"Styles make fights" and GGG is tailor made for Hopkins.

Hopkins would never beat Roy while Roy had his speed and reflexes

Julio577 wrote:No brainer Tito wins by TKO

I’ll have a pint of what he’s drinking

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hopkins would be favored, but not as much as people are making out. Conversely, GGG isn't as big a favorite against Tito as people are making out either. Golovkin has never faced anyone with that kind of power and while he had poor foot movement he was a very technical puncher. He also hit harder than Hopkins at Middleweight. Ask Joppy.

Golovkin is really quite a strong favourite to beat Trinidad. It’s hard to say otherwise imo. Puncher be puncher always favours the guy who has a bit of something else other than the big shots, ie golovkin, jab, cutting off the ring.

I’m on board with you about Hopkins though. He’s favoured in this match up but it’s not foregone

Ggg isn't a better boxer than Trinidad by any significant margin. Tito wasn't some crude slugger.