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Stuarty30 wrote:Dirrell v AA? Bit of a controversial one but looked well suspect at the time.

Oscar winning performance from Direll. He's a proper fanny for someone who fights for a living .

He was absolutely faking, but it wasn't predetermined. A dive is.

tannervegas wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Dirrell v AA? Bit of a controversial one but looked well suspect at the time.

Oscar winning performance from Direll. He's a proper fanny for someone who fights for a living .

Yeah they're a vile bunch. Whatever happened to his fat dickhead uncle who sucker punched the last guy he fought?

At the time, ODLH taking a 'dive' against B-Hop.. At the time it was seen as a potential dive. But looking at replays, it was possibly a late reaction to the body shot merely seconds before.

jamamb wrote:seemed like a glancing left landed?

Yep and that's all it takes.

Brian London in his fight with Ali

thechump wrote:Foreman vs ali,foreman looked up at the corner clear eyes all the way through the count then decided to make a move for it at 9.

It was standard in that era to take stay down and 8 in those days, you aptly named "chump".

Worst I've ever seen is Tony Tubbs diving for the clubfighter Jimmy Ellis. It's like a Benny Hill sketch.

Some hilarious suggestions here

gibbo wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xrysDcXajE0

That's the first time I've ever seen that. I'm speechless

I think a lot of the above can be debated and argued, this one with Emmanuel Augustus is indisputable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2wPWMURJ4

Also I have seen a few of world ranked (29) unbeaten KO specialist Jun Long Zhang's heavyweight fights.

Not one of them look right to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvsd2lIR5qs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bswEfyw3dYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jk2tT660gQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEPke7X8yjM

It wasn't a fake KO but a definite throw of the fight was the rematch between Jonathan Banks and Seth Mitchell. Banks had sparked Mitchell the first time around and in the second he had him out on his feet and ready to go again and then just kinda stopped fighting and let Mitchell win on points.

That's how bad Mitchell's chin was. Banks almost KO'd him by accident. I guess a lot of people had a lot invested in him.

Espada wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:

Espada wrote:Herbie Hide took a dive against Vitali Klitschko

If you watch the fight no punch landed

Hahahhahaha I asssume this one is a joke.... otherwise Hide is the best actor to have ever pretended to be kod in history.

Look at the reply of the ending punh that Hide went down from and rolling about about about 15:38 in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0UEuWza3o

Yeah definitely a dive, I thought so at the time as well. Not predetermined or anything, Hide knew he was going to be badly knocked out so took matters into his own hands to avoid real punishment imo.

Funny listening to Ian Darke there saying Vitali was the first Eastern European to win a version of the heavyweight title - how many have we had since then?!

clopixolacuphase wrote:It wasn't a fake KO but a definite throw of the fight was the rematch between Jonathan Banks and Seth Mitchell. Banks had sparked Mitchell the first time around and in the second he had him out on his feet and ready to go again and then just kinda stopped fighting and let Mitchell win on points.

That's how bad Mitchell's chin was. Banks almost KO'd him by accident. I guess a lot of people had a lot invested in him.

Almost as blatant as Flintoff-Dawson !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwy5lcfTiRc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOibSu_twYg

British light-welterweight champion Pat McCormack was told he would earn more if he went over against a local man in Denmark in the 1970s. He tapped the Dane to the body in an early round, only for the guy to crumple to the canvas. There is a picture of McCormack snarling over the fallen man. In reality he is pleading, "Get up! Get up!"

Tuan_Jim wrote:

thechump wrote:Foreman vs ali,foreman looked up at the corner clear eyes all the way through the count then decided to make a move for it at 9.

It was standard in that era to take stay down and 8 in those days, you aptly named "chump".

Oh was it stsndard was it? Oh thanks for clearing that up for me clever cloggs

Tuan_Jim wrote:

thechump wrote:Foreman vs ali,foreman looked up at the corner clear eyes all the way through the count then decided to make a move for it at 9.

It was standard in that era to take stay down and 8 in those days, you aptly named "chump".

Opinions are like Tuan_Jim....i mean an asshole,everyone has got one if you are the heavyweight champ and you hear the ref cpunt 6,7,8 what do you do? Wait for your corner to tell you to get or do you think "im getting up cause im gonna be counted out and lose my title plus my unbeaten record"? You get the fck up standard or not standard,get up and fight on,foreman was hardly hit all night. If you dont agree then thats your choice its just an opinion of mine ok TJ

thechump wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

thechump wrote:Foreman vs ali,foreman looked up at the corner clear eyes all the way through the count then decided to make a move for it at 9.

It was standard in that era to take stay down and 8 in those days, you aptly named "chump".

Opinions are like Tuan_Jim....i mean an asshole,everyone has got one if you are the heavyweight champ and you hear the ref cpunt 6,7,8 what do you do? Wait for your corner to tell you to get or do you think "im getting up cause im gonna be counted out and lose my title plus my unbeaten record"? You get the fck up standard or not standard,get up and fight on,foreman was hardly hit all night. If you dont agree then thats your choice its just an opinion of mine ok TJ

To quote Ali, "Is that all you got, chump?" You're of course entitled to your opinion but I'm mystified as to how someone can watch Foreman working hard in jungle heat, while eating a steady diet of fists, and think that the exhausted, demoralised, prostate figure on the canvas took a dive.

In terms of significance the WORST ever dive was Liston folding against Ali in their second fight. Even Ali was embarrassed when he was shouting at him to get up, he knew the fix was in. Liston had taken a few wallops from top class punchers, before and after this fight and simply ignored them!!!
Some people have tried to suggest that the glancing blow might just have caught Liston perfectly - utter,utter nonsense. Ali's punch wouldn't have knocked down a novice lightweight. A major world title fight with millions watching on TV and Liston simply sat down at the first opportunity. At least he could have waited until a half decent punch landed.
Of Course, Ali kept the whole thing going for years about his super phantom punch. You better believe it was a phantom punch!!! It didn't happen.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

thechump wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:
It was standard in that era to take stay down and 8 in those days, you aptly named "chump".

Opinions are like Tuan_Jim....i mean an asshole,everyone has got one if you are the heavyweight champ and you hear the ref cpunt 6,7,8 what do you do? Wait for your corner to tell you to get or do you think "im getting up cause im gonna be counted out and lose my title plus my unbeaten record"? You get the fck up standard or not standard,get up and fight on,foreman was hardly hit all night. If you dont agree then thats your choice its just an opinion of mine ok TJ

To quote Ali, "Is that all you got, chump?" You're of course entitled to your opinion but I'm mystified as to how someone can watch Foreman working hard in jungle heat, while eating a steady diet of fists, and think that the exhausted, demoralised, prostate figure on the canvas took a dive.

ok maybe not dived but quit,I'll hold my hands up and admit I got this one wrong,he didnt dive just quit through exhaustion. You cant really take a dive in round 8

"Glancing blow"? You can see by the close up Liston was hit clean on the side of the jaw, his head in a position where he wouldn't see it coming. I can see how that would put a man down, even if he had previously withstood punchers. Kalambay and Tiozzo both went down quick against non punchers, having previously tackled some serious punchers.

Yeah, totally legit punch. It's almost like people don't know what a dive is. At least nobody has gone to moorer getting his lip destroyed by George yet.