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KiwiRider wrote:He lost to a top guy. Who cares?
I thought he was doing alright until that devestaing body shot. I like him, he is entertaining in the ring, has a personality and is improving each fight. Saying he needs to go back to UK level is a bit harsh really. I think he needs to get a better haircut and go stateside and make a name over there.
He is a fan friendly fighter, the mexamericans would love him.

Charlos moving up Demetrius Andrade he would never live with those boys.

gilgamesh wrote:Who overrates Cox?.

The people who said he was winning the fight last night, for starters. Fvck knows what they were watching

gilgamesh wrote:Who overrates Cox? Virtually nobody gave him a shot at beating Groves, and I don't see anybody saying they see World Titles in his future or anything.

People are saying that it's insulting to say that he should go back to domestic level. People are saying that he should stay at world level like he's proven himself to be world class. People are talking about him having a great chance against proven domestic level fighters like Fielding and Ryder.

Cox has had over 10 years to prove himself as a pro and he's done hardly anything. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt and he has not earned the right to be talked about so highly.

Horse wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Who overrates Cox? Virtually nobody gave him a shot at beating Groves, and I don't see anybody saying they see World Titles in his future or anything.

People are saying that it's insulting to say that he should go back to domestic level. People are saying that he should stay at world level like he's proven himself to be world class. People are talking about him having a great chance against proven domestic level fighters like Fielding and Ryder.

Cox has had over 10 years to prove himself as a pro and he's done hardly anything. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt and he has not earned the right to be talked about so highly.

Presumably a routine confidence builder and then see what gradual steps back up can be made.
The Groves fight wasn't competitive at all so he doesn't currently belong at world level but people making out that British or Euro level is garbage are foolish.

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:My first thought was Yildrim.
Patrick Nielsen or Erik Skoglund would be good.
Brophy, Paul Smith or Blackledge would also be good fights...

Why Nielsen instead of Ryder?

Ryder should have taken Nielsens place in the rankings across the board, that should include the number 1 spot with the WBA putting him in a strong position for a shot at Zeuge.
a win over Nielsen would position him for a match up with Ryder I would have thought...

Well, if Ryder is going to get a title shot then obviously he should do that. Otherwise losing to Groves and beating Nielsen set up a perfect clash imo.

KiwiRider wrote:He lost to a top guy. Who cares?
I thought he was doing alright until that devestaing body shot. I like him, he is entertaining in the ring, has a personality and is improving each fight. Saying he needs to go back to UK level is a bit harsh really. I think he needs to get a better haircut and go stateside and make a name over there.
He is a fan friendly fighter, the mexamericans would love him.

who cares? at least if he hadnt been kod early hed have some type of accomplishment. but he couldnt even go padt 3.5 and hes beaten no one.

lol at hes improving each fight. hes 31 and looked crap 2 fights ago against an english level mw. showed none of his vaunted power either.

Rocky Fielding would be a test.

Counter-puncher wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Who overrates Cox?.

The people who said he was winning the fight last night, for starters. Fvck knows what they were watching

Admittedly I watched the fight on YouTube a few minutes after it ended so had the benefit of hindsight, but Cox never looked remotely in the fight to me.

gilgamesh wrote:Who overrates Cox? Virtually nobody gave him a shot at beating Groves, and I don't see anybody saying they see World Titles in his future or anything.

u obv dont folliw british boards then. talk for years of him beating up way more proven fighters. was prob forum fav to run through guys like fielding. even after ppl tslking zbout how he should go right back in with world class as if he wasnt kod in 3.5

31, stopped early, beaten absolutely fuckingg no one. ooooo, hes so intriguing.

Counter-puncher wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Who overrates Cox?.

The people who said he was winning the fight last night, for starters. Fvck knows what they were watching

no kidding. was cleary losing and couldnt even go a full 4 ffs!

jamamb wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Who overrates Cox? Virtually nobody gave him a shot at beating Groves, and I don't see anybody saying they see World Titles in his future or anything.

u obv dont folliw british boards then. talk for years of him beating up way more proven fighters. was prob forum fav to run through guys like fielding. even after ppl tslking zbout how he should go right back in with world class as if he wasnt kod in 3.5

31, stopped early, beaten absolutely fuckingg no one. ooooo, hes so intriguing.

Well the people I'd like to see him fight are the Murray's, Lee's, or Fielding's of the world. Lee and Murray are solid contenders, but not Elite talents. They'd be interesting fights for Cox.

At any rate we'll see where he goes from here.

gilgamesh wrote:Well the people I'd like to see him fight are the Murray's, Lee's, or Fielding's of the world. Lee and Murray are solid contenders, but not Elite talents. They'd be interesting fights for Cox.

At any rate we'll see where he goes from here.

Talking about Cox like he belongs at that level is overrating him.

He's done bugger all.

Horse wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Well the people I'd like to see him fight are the Murray's, Lee's, or Fielding's of the world. Lee and Murray are solid contenders, but not Elite talents. They'd be interesting fights for Cox.

At any rate we'll see where he goes from here.

Talking about Cox like he belongs at that level is overrating him.

He's done bugger all.

I didn't say he BELONGS at that level. I said I'd like to see him fight those guys. If he gets beat he gets beat. They're certainly a step down from Groves in terms of level I don't think you'd dispute that would you?

It's not like he needs to step down several levels from Groves, just a few. If he can't win it definitely ain't gonna hurt my feelings, but I'd at least be intrigued to see how he does against that level of opponent.

gilgamesh wrote:I didn't say he BELONGS at that level. I said I'd like to see him fight those guys. If he gets beat he gets beat. They're certainly a step down from Groves in terms of level I don't think you'd dispute that would you?

It's not like he needs to step down several levels from Groves, just a few. If he can't win it definitely ain't gonna hurt my feelings, but I'd at least be intrigued to see how he does against that level of opponent.

He doesn't deserve to fight against them.

They would all beat him easily.

Horse wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I didn't say he BELONGS at that level. I said I'd like to see him fight those guys. If he gets beat he gets beat. They're certainly a step down from Groves in terms of level I don't think you'd dispute that would you?

It's not like he needs to step down several levels from Groves, just a few. If he can't win it definitely ain't gonna hurt my feelings, but I'd at least be intrigued to see how he does against that level of opponent.

He doesn't deserve to fight against them.

They would all beat him easily.

Maybe, but there's been a lot of times in the past when people have thought "This guy is gonna beat That guy easy" and he didn't.

Martin Murray has never obliterated anybody that I've seen. He's a good fighter, but he's not a destroyer.

Andy Lee always seems to be in tough fights too, that's why I think they'd make intriguing opponents for Cox.

I personally like Andy Lee a lot so I'd be damn happy to see Andy knock out Jamie Cox, and get himself back in the mix personally so that'd be a win-win really. Either Cox fights and shows that he is at least capable of winning at that level or Lee wins, and gets one of his better wins in quite a while to get his name back out there. What's not to like?

Hell I'd be fine with Cox fighting other Domestic level British fighters too. Hell you act as if Murray has proven he's beyond domestic level. He's never won a World Title either so that seems like a perfectly reasonable opponent to match Cox against I'd say.

If you'd prefer Cox step all the way back down to the guys he was fighting before Groves though whatever, I just don't see what intrigue there would be there.

there is massive gap btwn guys cox was fighting and guys like andy lee and murray, etc.
eff me, even dave brophy (also made into 4th with groves) would be his best non-groves opponent.

gilgamesh wrote:Hell I'd be fine with Cox fighting other Domestic level British fighters too. Hell you act as if Murray has proven he's beyond domestic level. He's never won a World Title either so that seems like a perfectly reasonable opponent to match Cox against I'd say.

gilgamesh wrote:If you'd prefer Cox step all the way back down to the guys he was fighting before Groves though whatever, I just don't see what intrigue there would be there.

He should fight better opposition than the bums he was fighting, but he should not fight above domestic level.

He is not good enough.

jamamb wrote:there is massive gap btwn guys cox was fighting and guys like andy lee and murray, etc.
eff me, even dave brophy (also made into 4th with groves) would be his best non-groves opponent.

I get that, but those guys are a step down from Groves, and as far as I'm concerned Cox wasn't blown out so thoroughly by Groves that there should be no interest in him fighting guys that are a few rungs down the ladder from Groves.

If his next opponent is a Dave Brophy type that's fair enough.

Horse wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Hell I'd be fine with Cox fighting other Domestic level British fighters too. Hell you act as if Murray has proven he's beyond domestic level. He's never won a World Title either so that seems like a perfectly reasonable opponent to match Cox against I'd say.

gilgamesh wrote:If you'd prefer Cox step all the way back down to the guys he was fighting before Groves though whatever, I just don't see what intrigue there would be there.

He should fight better opposition than the bums he was fighting, but he should not fight above domestic level.

He is not good enough.

Did you watch the Groves fight last night Horse? (on ignore list so wont get an answer)

gilgamesh wrote:

Horse wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I didn't say he BELONGS at that level. I said I'd like to see him fight those guys. If he gets beat he gets beat. They're certainly a step down from Groves in terms of level I don't think you'd dispute that would you?

It's not like he needs to step down several levels from Groves, just a few. If he can't win it definitely ain't gonna hurt my feelings, but I'd at least be intrigued to see how he does against that level of opponent.

He doesn't deserve to fight against them.

They would all beat him easily.

Maybe, but there's been a lot of times in the past when people have thought "This guy is gonna beat That guy easy" and he didn't.

Martin Murray has never obliterated anybody that I've seen. He's a good fighter, but he's not a destroyer.

Andy Lee always seems to be in tough fights too, that's why I think they'd make intriguing opponents for Cox.

I personally like Andy Lee a lot so I'd be damn happy to see Andy knock out Jamie Cox, and get himself back in the mix personally so that'd be a win-win really. Either Cox fights and shows that he is at least capable of winning at that level or Lee wins, and gets one of his better wins in quite a while to get his name back out there. What's not to like?

Hell I'd be fine with Cox fighting other Domestic level British fighters too. Hell you act as if Murray has proven he's beyond domestic level. He's never won a World Title either so that seems like a perfectly reasonable opponent to match Cox against I'd say.

If you'd prefer Cox step all the way back down to the guys he was fighting before Groves though whatever, I just don't see what intrigue there would be there.

Do yourself a favour and don’t try to persuade Horse that Murray isn’t world class. We’ve all been through that battle

Horse wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Hell I'd be fine with Cox fighting other Domestic level British fighters too. Hell you act as if Murray has proven he's beyond domestic level. He's never won a World Title either so that seems like a perfectly reasonable opponent to match Cox against I'd say.

Martin Murray just fought to a Majority Decision against Gabe Rosado 2 fights back at 160. Who do you think Murray is?

Boxerbeetle wrote:
Do yourself a favour and don’t try to persuade Horse that Murray isn’t world class. We’ve all been through that battle

Yeah I forget it's Horse I'm talking to. Every British fighter is 4 times as good as they actually are in Horse's eyes.

160 - Spike O'Sullivan, Tommy Langford, Jack Arnfield, Brian Rose.
168 - John Ryder, Rocky Fielding, David Brophy, Zach Parker.

Just get him in with a British level fighter and go from there if he wins. As others have said, he doesn't have a win anywhere near that level so doesn't really deserve to go back in at European/fringe World level based on a few competitive rounds that ended in a stoppage loss.

I just checked to see what Christopher Rebrasse has been up to and he's scheduled to fight Hadillah Mohoumadi for the European title - wouldn't be surprised to see Hearn push Cox towards that, even if he does have 2 other Super Middles in Fielding and Ryder that are more deserving.

Edit - Now I've thought about it, Spike vs Cox at 160 would be an absolute barnstormer while it lasted.

rosado way way better than anyone cox has beaten