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asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:This is so sad, the guy had medicines in his body for years, on doctors discription actually, that could theoretically mask some doping. He didn't even have doping in his body. This while guys like Wilder and Stiverne both have been busted with all kind of doping, despite their personal lab. But that's no problem ofcourse.

Let it be a warning for all boxers, don't get involved with Wilder or his team, or his friends, it's one bunch of corrupt criminals that destroy and ruin your reputation if you're any good.

You mad, eh?

A bit yes, I see more and more that boxinng isn't about boxing, but much much more about politics and paperwork. The better you are without being that popular, the harder they ignore and destroy you for false reasons.

Meanwhile Stiverne recently got smashed up in 4 rounds in a sparringssession against an amateur, despite all his dopingscandels and inactivity. But he get's a world titleshot from the WBC :s.

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: You mad, eh?

A bit yes, I see more and more that boxinng isn't about boxing, but much much more about politics and paperwork. The better you are without being that popular, the harder they ignore and destroy you for false reasons.

Meanwhile Stiverne recently got smashed up in 4 rounds in a sparringssession against an amateur, despite all his dopingscandels and inactivity. But he get's a world titleshot from the WBC :s.

You don't think it has more to do with improved drug testing?

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:This is so sad, the guy had medicines in his body for years, on doctors discription actually, that could theoretically mask some doping. He didn't even have doping in his body. This while guys like Wilder and Stiverne both have been busted with all kind of doping, despite their personal lab. But that's no problem ofcourse.

Let it be a warning for all boxers, don't get involved with Wilder or his team, or his friends, it's one bunch of corrupt criminals that destroy and ruin your reputation if you're any good.

Luis Ortiz did not disclose any health condition or medicine that he was prescribed when he completed the VADA/WBC questionnaire and nor did he request an exemption for the drugs he was taking.

The Cuban's actions clearly speak louder than his words. Celan athletes don't have anything to hide.

Coincidentally, do you feel that he was taking steroids to treat a medical condition the previous time he tested positive for banned substances?

If you go to Mexico, Cuba, name such countries, there's a chance that he locally sold beef contains stuff that's now allowed to be in in other countries. It's very common to use aspirines in America, which makes your your blood flow better. It's very common in America to drink a cup of coffee, which makes you more awake, alert and agressive, just like sigarettes.
Somehow all the American tricks are no problem, but remarkebly, all the American stuff is suddenly allowed. On top of that, Stiverne turned out to be a drugsuser who only got caught after he got busted life in the act of taking it by a dopingtester. That's the only reason the lab suddenly admitted he took it. That same lab still hasn't admitted that Wilder took all kind of illegal substances, despite even his car contained drugs. Remarkebly, Wilder didn't sign anything as long as the lab was suspended?! He could have fought Stiverne in may/june?! And then the Parker story, we don't hear anything about it any more, Parker is availeble right now isn't he? Why would you challenge him when you know he's busy and ignore him as soon as he's free? Why did Wilder acted like he wanted to fight Ortiz for 2,5 mil, while he ducked much more easy fight against Whyte which would give him 5 mil and, if he doesn't lose, a shot against AJ which he actually wanted?! Oh wait, ofcourse, because he knew very well that Ortiz took his medicins which would help him to sneak out of the fight? Why did Stiverne all of a sudden have no problem to fight someone he would badly lose against called Breazeale? Oh wait, because he also knew, from his friend called Wilder, that this fight would never happen! Why does Wilder not complain that his friend Stiverne got busted with doping? And avoided another test when his personal lab was suspended after it? Oh wait, because it's a done deal already! All part of their script!

Ortiz even showed a picture of his medicines with his name labeled on it?!
Ortiz got VADA tested for years without problems and now all of a sudden they gave him a paper in several foreign languages and told him to sign it and he got suspended?!
Really? And now Wilder is the victim? Why doesn't Wilder get tested in Russia? Why not in the UK? Why not in Australia? Why not in Brazil? China? Name it, no, he got his personal lab :S and doesn't even get tested at all when his lab is suspended?! Despite an independant police officer found drugs in his car?

Yea sorry mate but I genuinly can't take these bullshitstories serious any more.

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Luis Ortiz did not disclose any health condition or medicine that he was prescribed when he completed the VADA/WBC questionnaire and nor did he request an exemption for the drugs he was taking.

The Cuban's actions clearly speak louder than his words. Celan athletes don't have anything to hide.

Coincidentally, do you feel that he was taking steroids to treat a medical condition the previous time he tested positive for banned substances?

If you go to Mexico, Cuba, name such countries, there's a chance that he locally sold beef contains stuff that's now allowed to be in in other countries. It's very common to use aspirines in America, which makes your your blood flow better. It's very common in America to drink a cup of coffee, which makes you more awake, alert and agressive, just like sigarettes.
Somehow all the American tricks are no problem, but remarkebly, all the American stuff is suddenly allowed. On top of that, Stiverne turned out to be a drugsuser who only got caught after he got busted life in the act of taking it by a dopingtester. That's the only reason the lab suddenly admitted he took it. That same lab still hasn't admitted that Wilder took all kind of illegal substances, despite even his car contained drugs. Remarkebly, Wilder didn't sign anything as long as the lab was suspended?! He could have fought Stiverne in may/june?! And then the Parker story, we don't hear anything about it any more, Parker is availeble right now isn't he? Why would you challenge him when you know he's busy and ignore him as soon as he's free? Why did Wilder acted like he wanted to fight Ortiz for 2,5 mil, while he ducked much more easy fight against Whyte which would give him 5 mil and, if he doesn't lose, a shot against AJ which he actually wanted?! Oh wait, ofcourse, because he knew very well that Ortiz took his medicins which would help him to sneak out of the fight? Why did Stiverne all of a sudden have no problem to fight someone he would badly lose against called Breazeale? Oh wait, because he also knew, from his friend called Wilder, that this fight would never happen! Why does Wilder not complain that his friend Stiverne got busted with doping? And avoided another test when his personal lab was suspended after it? Oh wait, because it's a done deal already! All part of their script!

Ortiz even showed a picture of his medicines with his name labeled on it?!
Ortiz got VADA tested for years without problems and now all of a sudden they gave him a paper in several foreign languages and told him to sign it and he got suspended?!
Really? And now Wilder is the victim? Why doesn't Wilder get tested in Russia? Why not in the UK? Why not in Australia? Why not in Brazil? China? Name it, no, he got his personal lab :S and doesn't even get tested at all when his lab is suspended?! Despite an independant police officer found drugs in his car?

Yea sorry mate but I genuinly can't take these bullshitstories serious any more.

FFS! Stop acting like a fûckîng twät!

Team Ortiz admitted to taking the fûckîng drugs.

Wilder, the WBC, VADA and Al Haymon had nothing whatsoever to do with Ortiz voluntarily consuming a renowned masking agent, which is deemed as being a banned substance.

The manager of Luis Ortiz claimed that he was "told" that the Cuban took the banned substances for "health" reasons, but even he is fûckîng clueless about the reason why they never bothered to disclose it or request an exemption.

There's a medical questionnaire that has to be completed for all VADA drug testing... and it's been part of their protocol for fûckîng years!

Clean athletes have no reason to be secretive about the drugs that they're taking for medical reasons.

You talking about beef is ironically the only "bûllshït" being posted to this forum!

Syntax Error wrote:In what way?

Fury hasn't fought in 2 years, so the division is already effectively without him & Ortiz is always in hot water over drug tests, so any time he fights, there will always be raised eyebrows.

The HW division is/will be fine without either of them.

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: If you go to Mexico, Cuba, name such countries, there's a chance that he locally sold beef contains stuff that's now allowed to be in in other countries. It's very common to use aspirines in America, which makes your your blood flow better. It's very common in America to drink a cup of coffee, which makes you more awake, alert and agressive, just like sigarettes.
Somehow all the American tricks are no problem, but remarkebly, all the American stuff is suddenly allowed. On top of that, Stiverne turned out to be a drugsuser who only got caught after he got busted life in the act of taking it by a dopingtester. That's the only reason the lab suddenly admitted he took it. That same lab still hasn't admitted that Wilder took all kind of illegal substances, despite even his car contained drugs. Remarkebly, Wilder didn't sign anything as long as the lab was suspended?! He could have fought Stiverne in may/june?! And then the Parker story, we don't hear anything about it any more, Parker is availeble right now isn't he? Why would you challenge him when you know he's busy and ignore him as soon as he's free? Why did Wilder acted like he wanted to fight Ortiz for 2,5 mil, while he ducked much more easy fight against Whyte which would give him 5 mil and, if he doesn't lose, a shot against AJ which he actually wanted?! Oh wait, ofcourse, because he knew very well that Ortiz took his medicins which would help him to sneak out of the fight? Why did Stiverne all of a sudden have no problem to fight someone he would badly lose against called Breazeale? Oh wait, because he also knew, from his friend called Wilder, that this fight would never happen! Why does Wilder not complain that his friend Stiverne got busted with doping? And avoided another test when his personal lab was suspended after it? Oh wait, because it's a done deal already! All part of their script!

Ortiz even showed a picture of his medicines with his name labeled on it?!
Ortiz got VADA tested for years without problems and now all of a sudden they gave him a paper in several foreign languages and told him to sign it and he got suspended?!
Really? And now Wilder is the victim? Why doesn't Wilder get tested in Russia? Why not in the UK? Why not in Australia? Why not in Brazil? China? Name it, no, he got his personal lab :S and doesn't even get tested at all when his lab is suspended?! Despite an independant police officer found drugs in his car?

Yea sorry mate but I genuinly can't take these bullshitstories serious any more.

FFS! Stop acting like a fûckîng twät!

Team Ortiz admitted to taking the fûckîng drugs.

Wilder, the WBC, VADA and Al Haymon had nothing whatsoever to do with Ortiz voluntarily consuming a renowned masking agent, which is deemed as being a banned substance.

The manager of Luis Ortiz claimed that he was "told" that the Cuban took the banned substances for "health" reasons, but even he is fûckîng clueless about the reason why they never bothered to disclose it or request an exemption.

There's a medical questionnaire that has to be completed for all VADA drug testing... and it's been part of their protocol for fûckîng years!

Clean athletes have no reason to be secretive about the drugs that they're taking for medical reasons.

You talking about beef is ironically the only "bûllshït" being posted to this forum!

Do you have any evidence of that?

Also note that Ortiz has been tested clean by VADA for years...

Oh and all of this is ofcourse bullshit:
https://qz.com/675946/eating-meat-from- ... s-players/
https://www.paralympic.org/news/mexico- ... ompetitors
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ummer.html
http://www.espn.com/olympics/cycling/ne ... id=5632256

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: FFS! Stop acting like a fûckîng twät!

Team Ortiz admitted to taking the fûckîng drugs.

Wilder, the WBC, VADA and Al Haymon had nothing whatsoever to do with Ortiz voluntarily consuming a renowned masking agent, which is deemed as being a banned substance.

The manager of Luis Ortiz claimed that he was "told" that the Cuban took the banned substances for "health" reasons, but even he is fûckîng clueless about the reason why they never bothered to disclose it or request an exemption.

There's a medical questionnaire that has to be completed for all VADA drug testing... and it's been part of their protocol for fûckîng years!

Clean athletes have no reason to be secretive about the drugs that they're taking for medical reasons.

You talking about beef is ironically the only "bûllshït" being posted to this forum!

Do you have any evidence of that?

Also note that Ortiz has been tested clean by VADA for years...

Oh and all of this is ofcourse bullshit:
https://qz.com/675946/eating-meat-from- ... s-players/
https://www.paralympic.org/news/mexico- ... ompetitors
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ummer.html
http://www.espn.com/olympics/cycling/ne ... id=5632256

None of those articles have anything to do with Luis Ortiz.

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Do you have any evidence of that?

Also note that Ortiz has been tested clean by VADA for years...

Oh and all of this is ofcourse bullshit:
https://qz.com/675946/eating-meat-from- ... s-players/
https://www.paralympic.org/news/mexico- ... ompetitors
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ummer.html
http://www.espn.com/olympics/cycling/ne ... id=5632256

None of those articles have anything to do with Luis Ortiz.

Before you make even more dumb comments, please reread your own and my comments before commenting again.

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: None of those articles have anything to do with Luis Ortiz.

Before you make even more dumb comments, please reread your own and my comments before commenting again.

None of those articles have anything to do with Luis Ortiz.

asdfjkl wrote: No lol, if you actually remembered what you wrote, or actually reread it again, you would have, or should have realised it was about beef, while you wrote: "You talking about beef is ironically the only "bûllshït" being posted to this forum! "

So no, ofcourse they got nothing to do with Ortiz, it was a direct answer on your comments. Spoken about answers, you once again can't proof any of the claims I asked evidence for I assume? Fact of the matter remains, like the WBC admitted, Ortiz is innocent.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: No lol, if you actually remembered what you wrote, or actually reread it again, you would have, or should have realised it was about beef, while you wrote: "You talking about beef is ironically the only "bûllshït" being posted to this forum! "

So no, ofcourse they got nothing to do with Ortiz, it was a direct answer on your comments. Spoken about answers, you once again can't proof any of the claims I asked evidence for I assume? Fact of the matter remains, like the WBC admitted, Ortiz is innocent.

They don't issue suspensions for no reason.

You're either trolling or completely clueless

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: No lol, if you actually remembered what you wrote, or actually reread it again, you would have, or should have realised it was about beef, while you wrote: "You talking about beef is ironically the only "bûllshït" being posted to this forum! "

So no, ofcourse they got nothing to do with Ortiz, it was a direct answer on your comments. Spoken about answers, you once again can't proof any of the claims I asked evidence for I assume? Fact of the matter remains, like the WBC admitted, Ortiz is innocent.

They don't issue suspensions for no reason.

You're either trolling or completely clueless

The WBC didn't suspend him, they said they didn't want to risk his health, since boxing is already a dangerous sport. So they delayed the fight till it is even more obvious there's nothing wrong with Ortiz.

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: A bit yes, I see more and more that boxinng isn't about boxing, but much much more about politics and paperwork. The better you are without being that popular, the harder they ignore and destroy you for false reasons.

Meanwhile Stiverne recently got smashed up in 4 rounds in a sparringssession against an amateur, despite all his dopingscandels and inactivity. But he get's a world titleshot from the WBC :s.

You don't think it has more to do with improved drug testing?

No, because we knew for years that Ortiz uses these medicins (which Wilder claims to be masking agents actually and not actual doping). Also, about Stiverne, he only got busted after he got caught using it live in the act of actually using it. Just like Wilder only got busted when a police officer smelled that his car was filled with drugs on the side of the road. On top of that the lab Wilder always uses, that also claimed Povetkin did something that wasn't allowed eventually had no choice but admit Povetkin was innocent all the time. That lab also was suspended in the end which was the reason why I knew that Wilder couldn't fight anyone in the past few months. If the drugtesting was improved, it would at least have been independant.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: No lol, if you actually remembered what you wrote, or actually reread it again, you would have, or should have realised it was about beef, while you wrote: "You talking about beef is ironically the only "bûllshït" being posted to this forum! "

So no, ofcourse they got nothing to do with Ortiz, it was a direct answer on your comments. Spoken about answers, you once again can't proof any of the claims I asked evidence for I assume? Fact of the matter remains, like the WBC admitted, Ortiz is innocent.

They don't issue suspensions for no reason.

You're either trolling or completely clueless

The WBC didn't suspend him, they said they didn't want to risk his health, since boxing is already a dangerous sport. So they delayed the fight till it is even more obvious there's nothing wrong with Ortiz.

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:
You don't think it has more to do with improved drug testing?

No, because we knew for years that Ortiz uses these medicins (which Wilder claims to be masking agents actually and not actual doping). Also, about Stiverne, he only got busted after he got caught using it live in the act of actually using it. Just like Wilder only got busted when a police officer smelled that his car was filled with drugs on the side of the road. On top of that the lab Wilder always uses, that also claimed Povetkin did something that wasn't allowed eventually had no choice but admit Povetkin was innocent all the time. That lab also was suspended in the end which was the reason why I knew that Wilder couldn't fight anyone in the past few months. If the drugtesting was improved, it would at least have been independant.

For all of us who read this asshole bullshit about UCLA lab suspension and it's connection to Wilder:
"It is important to note that, during the suspension, the UCLA Laboratory can continue carrying out all its regular anti-doping activities. However, the Laboratory must obtain a second opinion from another WADA-accredited laboratory prior to reporting any Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) for the glucocorticoids ‘prednisolone’ and ‘prednisone’; and, the anabolic steroids ‘boldenone’ and ‘boldione’. "
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/ ... substances

asdfjkl - please don't reply to it, I already know you're an idiot

Tony1244 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
They don't issue suspensions for no reason.

You're either trolling or completely clueless

The WBC didn't suspend him, they said they didn't want to risk his health, since boxing is already a dangerous sport. So they delayed the fight till it is even more obvious there's nothing wrong with Ortiz.

You need this translated into your own language. Google has a good program for that.