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Dillain Whyte clipped Anthony Joshua on the top of his head and stunned him right.

Twice Anthony Joshua got clipped, Klitschko and Whyte ?

AJ proved he has heart and a strong mental to overcome the bad situation inside the ring. That is what a real champion does. Get up and win the fight.

Evander wrote:Dillain Whyte clipped Anthony Joshua on the top of his head and stunned him right.

Whyte is better now he is being trained by the only cockney left in London under the age of 60 So I think it would be a good rematch

asdfjkl wrote:I'd love to see AJ fighting Povetkin next, that would be an awesome fight! Povetkin is still and by far, the best active heavyweight of this century, the current rank two of the heavyweight division. There's a reason Wilder is and was so scared of him. I hope Wilder soon fights a serious English name, Joyce, Dubois, Whyte, name them, then AJ can fight him after Ortiz and Povetkin, while Wilder can hold his battle of the dopers against Stiverne, and fight an English guy or/and Parker.

Oh for the love of god clam up!

punchoutsb wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

What exactly do you disagree with in terms of Joshua's statements?

For one thing, he contradicts himself during the statement, first saying wilder needs a remarkable fight, then saying Wilder doesn't need it because he has been at it so long.

Aside from that, it sounds to me like Eddie Hearn's words more than Joshua's. If Wilder had at least two of the three fights on his resume instead of having them cancelled, (Ortiz and Povetkin) couldn't he say that Joshua needs another big fight to prove himself, or make their fight bigger? There are more excuses for them not to fight it seems than fight. Would one more big fight by Wilder make Joshua more ready?

Let's not forget Hearn said more than once in the past year that Wilder would be next, but after Joshua's own statement that he is not mentally or physically ready for Wilder, now the goalposts are moving. Hearn wants one thing, the most money he can make, which of course make it bigger, but not by a lot. Wyhte is bottom top ten, but a good opponent. Hearn tried to throw him and Bellew at Wilder, but Wilder wanted what he was promised.

I would have been more impressed if Joshua fought Mansour instead of Breazeale, since he beat Breazeale every round before having to stop because of his tongue. Whyte is good, but got KO'd by Joshua, and barely got by Chisora. Wilder said tried to get Wlad, Martin, Fury, Parker, but they didn't want the fight, and turned him down. I think they would speak up if Wilder is lying about that.

I just want the BS to stop and see them fight, but only one seems willing.

Ossyrules wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I'd love to see AJ fighting Povetkin next, that would be an awesome fight! Povetkin is still and by far, the best active heavyweight of this century, the current rank two of the heavyweight division. There's a reason Wilder is and was so scared of him. I hope Wilder soon fights a serious English name, Joyce, Dubois, Whyte, name them, then AJ can fight him after Ortiz and Povetkin, while Wilder can hold his battle of the dopers against Stiverne, and fight an English guy or/and Parker.

Considering Joyce debuted last night, and Dubois is only a 4 or 5 fight professional, they are miles off wilder.

Whyte or Del Boy are the obvious ones he could fight. Mainly Whyte as he’s better ranked and with matchroom

Dubois would be far far far better as anyone Wilder ever fought. Stiverne is probably Wilder his best opponent yet and he only won one fight in the past 3 years, and even that one was arguably.
You can't say such things of Joyce or Dubois or anyone they fought.

asdfjkl wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I'd love to see AJ fighting Povetkin next, that would be an awesome fight! Povetkin is still and by far, the best active heavyweight of this century, the current rank two of the heavyweight division. There's a reason Wilder is and was so scared of him. I hope Wilder soon fights a serious English name, Joyce, Dubois, Whyte, name them, then AJ can fight him after Ortiz and Povetkin, while Wilder can hold his battle of the dopers against Stiverne, and fight an English guy or/and Parker.

Considering Joyce debuted last night, and Dubois is only a 4 or 5 fight professional, they are miles off wilder.

Whyte or Del Boy are the obvious ones he could fight. Mainly Whyte as he’s better ranked and with matchroom

Dubois would be far far far better as anyone Wilder ever fought. Stiverne is probably Wilder his best opponent yet and he only won one fight in the past 3 years, and even that one was arguably.
You can't say such things of Joyce or Dubois or anyone they fought.

Yeah, sadly Stiverne was and he is Wilder's best opponent to date. This show us how protected is Wilder.

apollo creed wrote:If Wilder would fight Whyte and then unify with Parker that would still be a good thing.

I think the best we can hope for is one ot the other, let's not be greedy.

If If I'm Joshua I'm sure as hell not going to fight Wilder in the US never mind Las Vegas.

candyslim wrote:

apollo creed wrote:If Wilder would fight Whyte and then unify with Parker that would still be a good thing.

I think the best we can hope for is one ot the other, let's not be greedy.

If If I'm Joshua I'm sure as hell not going to fight Wilder in the US never mind Las Vegas.

If I was Joshua I would fight Wilder anywhere, but also wait till he fought someone.

If I was Joshua I'd drag Donkey in UK and test him by UKAD.

asdfjkl wrote:

candyslim wrote:

apollo creed wrote:If Wilder would fight Whyte and then unify with Parker that would still be a good thing.

I think the best we can hope for is one ot the other, let's not be greedy.

If If I'm Joshua I'm sure as hell not going to fight Wilder in the US never mind Las Vegas.

If I was Joshua I would fight Wilder anywhere ...

That must have been Ortiz's attitude but guilty or not guilty, you bet your bollocks he's now wishing he'd have waited for the Joshua option early next year. Poor schmuck has lost everything.

Badhusker wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

What exactly do you disagree with in terms of Joshua's statements?

For one thing, he contradicts himself during the statement, first saying wilder needs a remarkable fight, then saying Wilder doesn't need it because he has been at it so long.

Aside from that, it sounds to me like Eddie Hearn's words more than Joshua's. If Wilder had at least two of the three fights on his resume instead of having them cancelled, (Ortiz and Povetkin) couldn't he say that Joshua needs another big fight to prove himself, or make their fight bigger? There are more excuses for them not to fight it seems than fight. Would one more big fight by Wilder make Joshua more ready?

Let's not forget Hearn said more than once in the past year that Wilder would be next, but after Joshua's own statement that he is not mentally or physically ready for Wilder, now the goalposts are moving. Hearn wants one thing, the most money he can make, which of course make it bigger, but not by a lot. Wyhte is bottom top ten, but a good opponent. Hearn tried to throw him and Bellew at Wilder, but Wilder wanted what he was promised.

I would have been more impressed if Joshua fought Mansour instead of Breazeale, since he beat Breazeale every round before having to stop because of his tongue. Whyte is good, but got KO'd by Joshua, and barely got by Chisora. Wilder said tried to get Wlad, Martin, Fury, Parker, but they didn't want the fight, and turned him down. I think they would speak up if Wilder is lying about that.

I just want the BS to stop and see them fight, but only one seems willing.

You want the BS to stop, yet here you are attempting to pick apart AJ's resume in support of Wilder. I'd never blame Wilder for not getting Povetkin or Ortiz, but he should be blamed for his other 38 fights. The fact is he's had twice as many fights as AJ and his resume pales in comparison. And AJ's resume isn't that great either so that's saying something...

At the end of the day all the talk right now is just posturing BS and doesn't mean anything. As to your last sentence I definitely agree with you, only one of these two men has actually shown they are willing to fight the best--I'm sure deep down inside you know which one that really is.

The bottom line in the Joshua-Wilder fight is nowhere as big as it needs to be -- not even close to as big as Joshua vs Klitschko.

The deal is that Wilder needs to fight somebody with skills -- somebody like Ortiz or Povetkin... He said he was going to do that, but his corrupt buddies at VADA and the WBC made certain those fights couldn't happen to protect Wilder... VADA and the WBC both later admitted there was NO reason the Wilder-Povetkin Fight couldn't have gone forward as scheduled because their "investigation" revealed NOTHING to incriminate Povetkin with.

Kalan wrote:The bottom line in the Joshua-Wilder fight is nowhere as big as it needs to be -- not even close to as big as Joshua vs Klitschko.

The deal is that Wilder needs to fight somebody with skills -- somebody like Ortiz or Povetkin... He said he was going to do that, but his corrupt buddies at VADA and the WBC made certain those fights couldn't happen to protect Wilder... VADA and the WBC both later admitted there was NO reason the Wilder-Povetkin Fight couldn't have gone forward as scheduled because their "investigation" revealed NOTHING to incriminate Povetkin with.

Nothing like spending a bunch of money to fake drug tests so you can screw yourself out of the biggest pay day of your life, right?

punchoutsb wrote:

Kalan wrote:The bottom line in the Joshua-Wilder fight is nowhere as big as it needs to be -- not even close to as big as Joshua vs Klitschko.

The deal is that Wilder needs to fight somebody with skills -- somebody like Ortiz or Povetkin... He said he was going to do that, but his corrupt buddies at VADA and the WBC made certain those fights couldn't happen to protect Wilder... VADA and the WBC both later admitted there was NO reason the Wilder-Povetkin Fight couldn't have gone forward as scheduled because their "investigation" revealed NOTHING to incriminate Povetkin with.

Nothing like spending a bunch of money to fake drug tests so you can screw yourself out of the biggest pay day of your life, right?

good post.
It really makes no sense to think Wilder even has the power or financial resources to do it.
The guy is unknown outside of Alabama

tiny_acres wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Kalan wrote:The bottom line in the Joshua-Wilder fight is nowhere as big as it needs to be -- not even close to as big as Joshua vs Klitschko.

The deal is that Wilder needs to fight somebody with skills -- somebody like Ortiz or Povetkin... He said he was going to do that, but his corrupt buddies at VADA and the WBC made certain those fights couldn't happen to protect Wilder... VADA and the WBC both later admitted there was NO reason the Wilder-Povetkin Fight couldn't have gone forward as scheduled because their "investigation" revealed NOTHING to incriminate Povetkin with.

Nothing like spending a bunch of money to fake drug tests so you can screw yourself out of the biggest pay day of your life, right?

good post.
It really makes no sense to think Wilder even has the power or financial resources to do it.
The guy is unknown outside of Alabama

My problem with Wilder is the very real fact that he has yet to face a legitimate threat in almost ten years as a professional and so called champion. The rest of this fairyland BS that some of these guys spout against him is embarrassingly stupid.

punchoutsb wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Nothing like spending a bunch of money to fake drug tests so you can screw yourself out of the biggest pay day of your life, right?

good post.
It really makes no sense to think Wilder even has the power or financial resources to do it.
The guy is unknown outside of Alabama

My problem with Wilder is the very real fact that he has yet to face a legitimate threat in almost ten years as a professional and so called champion. The rest of this fairyland BS that some of these guys spout against him is embarrassingly stupid.

I agree his resume is week. I just refuse to hold the Povetkin or Ortiz failed drug tests against him.
I would love to see him in the ring with Joshua or Parker.
But I don't see it happening until the money is right

tiny_acres wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
good post.
It really makes no sense to think Wilder even has the power or financial resources to do it.
The guy is unknown outside of Alabama

My problem with Wilder is the very real fact that he has yet to face a legitimate threat in almost ten years as a professional and so called champion. The rest of this fairyland BS that some of these guys spout against him is embarrassingly stupid.

I agree his resume is week. I just refuse to hold the Povetkin or Ortiz failed drug tests against him.
I would love to see him in the ring with Joshua or Parker.
But I don't see it happening until the money is right

That's what I'm saying, anyone who blames Wilder for Povetkin or Ortiz are in la la land.

I was a Wilder fan when he turned pro. I don't see how anyone could have cheered against him in those early days. I began to think something was up when he fought Dustin Nichols (the big fat dude) two years into his career. Then he got dropped by Sconiers and I figured they'd try and get him a title shot as quickly as possible to cash out in case he had a shaky chin. Instead they proceeded to take about ten steps back in competition. He fought Beck and Manswell and I *knew* they were posturing for a title shot...but they weren't. When he signed to fight Damon McCreary (and sold it as a fight against an undefeated prospect) I began cheering against him and he has done nothing since then to change my mind. It appears that he has avoided top competition at every available opportunity. I don't blame him for Povetkin, I blame him for fighting Arreola as a replacement. AJ had no trouble finding Klitschko before his 20th pro fight. Wilder hasn't even been able to find the top ten outside of a gifted Stiverne (who was "top ten" himself thanks to two wins against dreadful Arreola).

Badhusker wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

What exactly do you disagree with in terms of Joshua's statements?

For one thing, he contradicts himself during the statement, first saying wilder needs a remarkable fight, then saying Wilder doesn't need it because he has been at it so long.

Aside from that, it sounds to me like Eddie Hearn's words more than Joshua's. If Wilder had at least two of the three fights on his resume instead of having them cancelled, (Ortiz and Povetkin) couldn't he say that Joshua needs another big fight to prove himself, or make their fight bigger? There are more excuses for them not to fight it seems than fight. Would one more big fight by Wilder make Joshua more ready?

Let's not forget Hearn said more than once in the past year that Wilder would be next, but after Joshua's own statement that he is not mentally or physically ready for Wilder, now the goalposts are moving. Hearn wants one thing, the most money he can make, which of course make it bigger, but not by a lot. Wyhte is bottom top ten, but a good opponent. Hearn tried to throw him and Bellew at Wilder, but Wilder wanted what he was promised.

I would have been more impressed if Joshua fought Mansour instead of Breazeale, since he beat Breazeale every round before having to stop because of his tongue. Whyte is good, but got KO'd by Joshua, and barely got by Chisora. Wilder said tried to get Wlad, Martin, Fury, Parker, but they didn't want the fight, and turned him down. I think they would speak up if Wilder is lying about that.

I just want the BS to stop and see them fight, but only one seems willing.

Around Mansour you're right, but around all the other names :s.
Wilder wanted a 50/50 deal against Wlad in Alabama, that's basically the same as trolling, on top of that Wilder begged him to retire on several occasions. Fury prefered a 5 mil payday against an all time great above a 500k payday, which makes sense. Parker was scheduled and availeble right now, but now Wilder all of a sudden preferes to fight Stiverne anyway. Martin could choose between 5 mil and 1 mil, no wonder he chose the 5.

The problem is Wilder and his protector Haymon KNOW wilder has no chance to beat Joshua. WIlder talks like it's an even fight but in actuality it's a blatant mismatch. Wilder was a punching bag for Klitschko in sparring. He went down like a sack of horseshi7 from a JAB. Wilder is just trying to con and bulljive his way around Joshua while trying to steal some of his mojo and credibility.

Joshua speaks the truth. But wilder KNOWS the truth. He's not in Joshua's league as a fighter or as a sellable attraction.

It will all come down to when Haymon can afford to sacrifice wilder. And right now with PBC business in the dumps, there's no way on earth wilder will get in there with AJ for a few more years, which of course they will hope and pray AJ loses and then they will crow that wilder is the best.

Briggs will probably still sell more tickets indeed.

punchoutsb wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
My problem with Wilder is the very real fact that he has yet to face a legitimate threat in almost ten years as a professional and so called champion. The rest of this fairyland BS that some of these guys spout against him is embarrassingly stupid.

I agree his resume is week. I just refuse to hold the Povetkin or Ortiz failed drug tests against him.
I would love to see him in the ring with Joshua or Parker.
But I don't see it happening until the money is right

That's what I'm saying, anyone who blames Wilder for Povetkin or Ortiz are in la la land.

I was a Wilder fan when he turned pro. I don't see how anyone could have cheered against him in those early days. I began to think something was up when he fought Dustin Nichols (the big fat dude) two years into his career. Then he got dropped by Sconiers and I figured they'd try and get him a title shot as quickly as possible to cash out in case he had a shaky chin. Instead they proceeded to take about ten steps back in competition. He fought Beck and Manswell and I *knew* they were posturing for a title shot...but they weren't. When he signed to fight Damon McCreary (and sold it as a fight against an undefeated prospect) I began cheering against him and he has done nothing since then to change my mind. It appears that he has avoided top competition at every available opportunity. I don't blame him for Povetkin, I blame him for fighting Arreola as a replacement. AJ had no trouble finding Klitschko before his 20th pro fight. Wilder hasn't even been able to find the top ten outside of a gifted Stiverne (who was "top ten" himself thanks to two wins against dreadful Arreola).

AJ had no trouble "finding Klitscho", because Wlad chose to fight him instead of Wilder. You mentioned Wilder has avoided top competition more than once. Who has Wilder turned down? Lets go back 3 years. He has said he was turned down by Wlad, Parker, Fury, Martin, and now Joshua. His fights against Povetkin, Ortiz, and one other were cancelled. He fought Molina coming off a broken hand after 4 months. Duhapus and Szpilka because Povetkin wanted more time, then was injured. Arreloa and Washington were subs as well. The guy has been trying to fight better competition.

The facts aren't hard to find, if you want to find them. At the end of the day, yes, his resume is weak over-all, like I and others have pointed out, but for a reason. Its always easier to criticize though. AJ fought Wlad, and won, but even he admits that is his only credible fight. For some reason folks forget he said himself he isn't ready for Wilder. As poor as Wilder's resume is, AJ saying that gives Wilder more credibility than any fight he has to date.

Badhusker wrote:At the end of the day, yes, his resume is weak over-all, like I and others have pointed out, but for a reason.

That's all I've been saying. What we disagree on is the reason.

You blame everyone to have held a top ten position in the heavyweight decision since about 2010 for Wilders piss poor resume. I blame Wilder. I'll let logic decide which of us is closer to being correct.

So a fighter many consider to be a fraud, who has allegedly shirked challenges at every level, and consistently finds the path of least resistance, (a theory that is supported by his less than sterling resume) is the same guy that was prepared (I would say "willing" but it was mandatory) to go to Moscow to face just about the most dangerous fighter in the division outside of Klitschko, and who showed tremendous courage in turning down double his record payday to fight a bum in London, so he could instead, test himself against the division's bogey man for half the money.

Are we talking about the same guy here? ... Is he a wuss or a super-hero, I'm confused?

What a shame that neither of those opponents made it into the ring, because then we'd know wouldn't we?