SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Tony1244 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Yes
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They fought 3 times. I don't see a KO or TKO.you don't see Ruiz winning the first fight either.
I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.Tony1244 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.Tony1244 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.
I think it was round ten. Not positive, I won't ever be watching any of those fights again. Twice was enough.Tony1244 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.Tony1244 wrote:
From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.
Ok, well now I know what you're talking about. I have no memory of that whatsoever. I guess I made a liar out of myself because if you tell me the round and the fight it happened in, I may watch the round. Watching more than that would be both cruel and unusual.
My proper question was Holy knocked Ruiz out? found on page 1. He probably did KO him with a solar plexus shot. Unfortunately Holy landed low right before that and Ruiz milked it for all it was worth. Ruiz was a putz, never liked him.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.Tony1244 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.
Tony1244 wrote:My proper question was Holy knocked Ruiz out? found on page 1. He probably did KO him with a solar plexus shot. Unfortunately Holy landed low right before that and Ruiz milked it for all it was worth. Ruiz was a putz, never liked him.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.Tony1244 wrote:
From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.
Evander often found a miracle just when he needed it in his extraordinary career. Sadly he was out of luck in that fight. could’ve been a great last hurrah against a very awkward opponent.Tony1244 wrote:My proper question was Holy knocked Ruiz out? found on page 1. He probably did KO him with a solar plexus shot. Unfortunately Holy landed low right before that and Ruiz milked it for all it was worth. Ruiz was a putz, never liked him.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.Tony1244 wrote:
From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.
I think the Mercer fight showed the key weakness of perhaps not only Lewis, but most elite “super heavyweights” - they struggle, extremely badly, to lift the pace even when everything is at stake. Lewis has been frozen out after the McCall defeat, was desperate to land a title shot and I was having kittens that he didn’t close a bit stronger against Mercer. I had Lennox beating a spirited Mercer by the absolute skin of his teeth.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Autobarn wrote:Lennox won both fights. First, 8-3-1 and second 7-4-1 IMO.
Lennox won, but I didn’t like his boxing, only wanting to neutralise. He fought in a strange kind of squatting position, which looked very awkward. He didn’t throw enough punches. Just wanted to use the reach and not make a statement.
Holyfield boxed very well in the second fight but couldn’t get close enough, often enough.
Lennox’s real fights were against Klitschko and Briggs. Often, Life does not follow the script, because the Holyfield fights were supposed to be the epic battles, the exciting fights...
It was smart, if they would have been epic battles Lennox would have lost. The Mercer fight was very good, he learned a lesson there. He also doesn't get enough credit for that fight.
Holyfield never knocked ruiz out,ruuz has only ever been knocked out twice,once in about 1995/96 by davud tua in about 60 seconds of the first round and 2nd by David haye,holyfield has a pounts win a points loss and a draw with ruiz. Dont know were you got this info from palSaadOffTheDeck wrote:He knocked Ruiz out in the second fight, but your point remains true.Boxing Writer wrote:I scored the second fight for Holyfield by 2 points. Larry Holmes and RoyJones Jr also scored it for Holyfield. But I think the decision, while it was wrong, was great for boxing for two reasons: 1) Lewis was robbed badly in the first fight and deserved the title of undisputed heavyweight champin of the world; 2) Holyfield was washed up (he was the same age as Lennox when he fought Vitali) and Lewis still had some great years ahead of him. Holyfield faded so badly that probably should have lost his next 2 fights (1st and 2nd fights against average John Ruiz).
At thst time i thought mercer beat lewis,it was a tough fight for lewis against a real hard manSaadOffTheDeck wrote:Autobarn wrote:Lennox won both fights. First, 8-3-1 and second 7-4-1 IMO.
Lennox won, but I didn’t like his boxing, only wanting to neutralise. He fought in a strange kind of squatting position, which looked very awkward. He didn’t throw enough punches. Just wanted to use the reach and not make a statement.
Holyfield boxed very well in the second fight but couldn’t get close enough, often enough.
Lennox’s real fights were against Klitschko and Briggs. Often, Life does not follow the script, because the Holyfield fights were supposed to be the epic battles, the exciting fights...
It was smart, if they would have been epic battles Lennox would have lost. The Mercer fight was very good, he learned a lesson there. He also doesn't get enough credit for that fight.
Saad didnt know you were taking the piss lol,evander also beat valuev but got ripped offSaadOffTheDeck wrote:I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.Tony1244 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.
A 1992 fight between Holyfield and Lewis could’ve been amazing. I think the heavyweight money had got to their heads a little. They were reckless, totally irresponsible in their defenses, throwing power punches with abandon and thought they could walk through anything.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Autobarn wrote:Lennox won both fights. First, 8-3-1 and second 7-4-1 IMO.
Lennox won, but I didn’t like his boxing, only wanting to neutralise. He fought in a strange kind of squatting position, which looked very awkward. He didn’t throw enough punches. Just wanted to use the reach and not make a statement.
Holyfield boxed very well in the second fight but couldn’t get close enough, often enough.
Lennox’s real fights were against Klitschko and Briggs. Often, Life does not follow the script, because the Holyfield fights were supposed to be the epic battles, the exciting fights...
It was smart, if they would have been epic battles Lennox would have lost. The Mercer fight was very good, he learned a lesson there. He also doesn't get enough credit for that fight.
Holyfield flattened him with a body shot and the referee called it a low blow, allowing Ruiz to recover basically from a KO defeat.thechump wrote:Holyfield never knocked ruiz out,ruuz has only ever been knocked out twice,once in about 1995/96 by davud tua in about 60 seconds of the first round and 2nd by David haye,holyfield has a pounts win a points loss and a draw with ruiz. Dont know were you got this info from palSaadOffTheDeck wrote:He knocked Ruiz out in the second fight, but your point remains true.Boxing Writer wrote:I scored the second fight for Holyfield by 2 points. Larry Holmes and RoyJones Jr also scored it for Holyfield. But I think the decision, while it was wrong, was great for boxing for two reasons: 1) Lewis was robbed badly in the first fight and deserved the title of undisputed heavyweight champin of the world; 2) Holyfield was washed up (he was the same age as Lennox when he fought Vitali) and Lewis still had some great years ahead of him. Holyfield faded so badly that probably should have lost his next 2 fights (1st and 2nd fights against average John Ruiz).
That was a legit knockdown,he didnt hold his nuts till cortez said "john iv taken a point off for the low blow and you got 5 mins" he was zzz zzzz zzz before thatAutobarn wrote:Holyfield flattened him with a body shot and the referee called it a low blow, allowing Ruiz to recover basically from a KO defeat.thechump wrote:Holyfield never knocked ruiz out,ruuz has only ever been knocked out twice,once in about 1995/96 by davud tua in about 60 seconds of the first round and 2nd by David haye,holyfield has a pounts win a points loss and a draw with ruiz. Dont know were you got this info from palSaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He knocked Ruiz out in the second fight, but your point remains true.
Although Holyfield had recently avenged his defeat to Moorer in stirring fashion, scoring five knockdowns and showing brilliant combination punching. Holyfield certainly had slowed down, but was far physically stronger and moree conimical at this stage of his career. I always felt that Holyfield, like Azumah Nelson before him and Shane Mosley after, fought his career in fierce fits and starts, alternating epic Peaks with dismal troughs. He’d put in one stonking performance and then be totally average in the next fight. I’d say Lewis II while not being his absolute best, was one of the very good performances.Boxing Writer wrote:I scored the second fight for Holyfield by 2 points. Larry Holmes and RoyJones Jr also scored it for Holyfield. But I think the decision, while it was wrong, was great for boxing for two reasons: 1) Lewis was robbed badly in the first fight and deserved the title of undisputed heavyweight champin of the world; 2) Holyfield was washed up (he was the same age as Lennox when he fought Vitali) and Lewis still had some great years ahead of him. Holyfield faded so badly that probably should have lost his next 2 fights (1st and 2nd fights against average John Ruiz).
My mind is fine pallurkyshaka wrote:Lewis won the rematch fair and square....it was an 8-4 type of fight.
A few people might have been fooled into being far too generous to Holyfield in part 2 because he did considerably better than in the initial fight.
Judged on its own merit....no body with a sane mind would think Holyfield deserved to win that 2nd fight. Lewis was the better man and proved it over their fights.
thechump wrote:Saad didnt know you were taking the piss lol,evander also beat valuev but got ripped offSaadOffTheDeck wrote:I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.Tony1244 wrote:
From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.
Your mind might be fine but you can't score a fight......you should go get a job in Nevada, you'd fit in perfectly therethechump wrote:My mind is fine pallurkyshaka wrote:Lewis won the rematch fair and square....it was an 8-4 type of fight.
A few people might have been fooled into being far too generous to Holyfield in part 2 because he did considerably better than in the initial fight.
Judged on its own merit....no body with a sane mind would think Holyfield deserved to win that 2nd fight. Lewis was the better man and proved it over their fights.
Being funny as in not meaning what he is saying lolTony1244 wrote:thechump wrote:Saad didnt know you were taking the piss lol,evander also beat valuev but got ripped offSaadOffTheDeck wrote: I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.
Not sure what "taking the piss" means. I'm an old American white guy. But Evander did get ripped off against Valuev. I remember that better than the horrendous Ruiz fights.
Same could be said about you then if you think lewis clearly won the 2nd fight,it could of gone either way. Jobs as a judge in vegas pal got your name wrote all over itlurkyshaka wrote:Your mind might be fine but you can't score a fight......you should go get a job in Nevada, you'd fit in perfectly therethechump wrote:My mind is fine pallurkyshaka wrote:Lewis won the rematch fair and square....it was an 8-4 type of fight.
A few people might have been fooled into being far too generous to Holyfield in part 2 because he did considerably better than in the initial fight.
Judged on its own merit....no body with a sane mind would think Holyfield deserved to win that 2nd fight. Lewis was the better man and proved it over their fights.