BoxRec

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Yes

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/499

They fought 3 times. I don't see a KO or TKO.

you don't see Ruiz winning the first fight either.

From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.

Tony1244 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/499

They fought 3 times. I don't see a KO or TKO.

you don't see Ruiz winning the first fight either.

From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.

I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.

Yes, Holyfield won the third one definitely....

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: you don't see Ruiz winning the first fight either.

From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.

I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.

Ok, well now I know what you're talking about. I have no memory of that whatsoever. I guess I made a liar out of myself because if you tell me the round and the fight it happened in, I may watch the round. Watching more than that would be both cruel and unusual.

Tony1244 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.

I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.

Ok, well now I know what you're talking about. I have no memory of that whatsoever. I guess I made a liar out of myself because if you tell me the round and the fight it happened in, I may watch the round. Watching more than that would be both cruel and unusual.

I think it was round ten. Not positive, I won't ever be watching any of those fights again. Twice was enough.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: you don't see Ruiz winning the first fight either.

From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.

I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.

My proper question was Holy knocked Ruiz out? found on page 1. He probably did KO him with a solar plexus shot. Unfortunately Holy landed low right before that and Ruiz milked it for all it was worth. Ruiz was a putz, never liked him.

Tony1244 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.

I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.

My proper question was Holy knocked Ruiz out? found on page 1. He probably did KO him with a solar plexus shot. Unfortunately Holy landed low right before that and Ruiz milked it for all it was worth. Ruiz was a putz, never liked him.

The only entertaining thing about john ruiz was norman stone

Tony1244 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.

I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.

My proper question was Holy knocked Ruiz out? found on page 1. He probably did KO him with a solar plexus shot. Unfortunately Holy landed low right before that and Ruiz milked it for all it was worth. Ruiz was a putz, never liked him.

Evander often found a miracle just when he needed it in his extraordinary career. Sadly he was out of luck in that fight. could’ve been a great last hurrah against a very awkward opponent.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Lennox won both fights. First, 8-3-1 and second 7-4-1 IMO.

Lennox won, but I didn’t like his boxing, only wanting to neutralise. He fought in a strange kind of squatting position, which looked very awkward. He didn’t throw enough punches. Just wanted to use the reach and not make a statement.

Holyfield boxed very well in the second fight but couldn’t get close enough, often enough.

Lennox’s real fights were against Klitschko and Briggs. Often, Life does not follow the script, because the Holyfield fights were supposed to be the epic battles, the exciting fights...

It was smart, if they would have been epic battles Lennox would have lost. The Mercer fight was very good, he learned a lesson there. He also doesn't get enough credit for that fight.

I think the Mercer fight showed the key weakness of perhaps not only Lewis, but most elite “super heavyweights” - they struggle, extremely badly, to lift the pace even when everything is at stake. Lewis has been frozen out after the McCall defeat, was desperate to land a title shot and I was having kittens that he didn’t close a bit stronger against Mercer. I had Lennox beating a spirited Mercer by the absolute skin of his teeth.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:I scored the second fight for Holyfield by 2 points. Larry Holmes and RoyJones Jr also scored it for Holyfield. But I think the decision, while it was wrong, was great for boxing for two reasons: 1) Lewis was robbed badly in the first fight and deserved the title of undisputed heavyweight champin of the world; 2) Holyfield was washed up (he was the same age as Lennox when he fought Vitali) and Lewis still had some great years ahead of him. Holyfield faded so badly that probably should have lost his next 2 fights (1st and 2nd fights against average John Ruiz).

He knocked Ruiz out in the second fight, but your point remains true.

Holyfield never knocked ruiz out,ruuz has only ever been knocked out twice,once in about 1995/96 by davud tua in about 60 seconds of the first round and 2nd by David haye,holyfield has a pounts win a points loss and a draw with ruiz. Dont know were you got this info from pal

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Lennox won both fights. First, 8-3-1 and second 7-4-1 IMO.

Lennox won, but I didn’t like his boxing, only wanting to neutralise. He fought in a strange kind of squatting position, which looked very awkward. He didn’t throw enough punches. Just wanted to use the reach and not make a statement.

Holyfield boxed very well in the second fight but couldn’t get close enough, often enough.

Lennox’s real fights were against Klitschko and Briggs. Often, Life does not follow the script, because the Holyfield fights were supposed to be the epic battles, the exciting fights...

It was smart, if they would have been epic battles Lennox would have lost. The Mercer fight was very good, he learned a lesson there. He also doesn't get enough credit for that fight.

At thst time i thought mercer beat lewis,it was a tough fight for lewis against a real hard man

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: you don't see Ruiz winning the first fight either.

From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.

I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.

Saad didnt know you were taking the piss lol,evander also beat valuev but got ripped off

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Lennox won both fights. First, 8-3-1 and second 7-4-1 IMO.

Lennox won, but I didn’t like his boxing, only wanting to neutralise. He fought in a strange kind of squatting position, which looked very awkward. He didn’t throw enough punches. Just wanted to use the reach and not make a statement.

Holyfield boxed very well in the second fight but couldn’t get close enough, often enough.

Lennox’s real fights were against Klitschko and Briggs. Often, Life does not follow the script, because the Holyfield fights were supposed to be the epic battles, the exciting fights...

It was smart, if they would have been epic battles Lennox would have lost. The Mercer fight was very good, he learned a lesson there. He also doesn't get enough credit for that fight.

A 1992 fight between Holyfield and Lewis could’ve been amazing. I think the heavyweight money had got to their heads a little. They were reckless, totally irresponsible in their defenses, throwing power punches with abandon and thought they could walk through anything.

But I can’t complain about Holyfield v Bowe, which developed into one of the best ever rivalries, but delivering 3 of 3 great fights.

Back to Lewis v Holyfield, I think Lennox got it perfect for the first 5 rounds of the first fight. Box sensibly, weather Evander’s mini rally, find the range and drop the bombs. Lewis unloaded on Holyfield to head and body in the fifth, and Evander had a startled look on his face - never seen him look that way before or after - but then Lewis went into his shell, throwing as many feints and air jabs as genuine punches (something Thomas Hearns did in his own controversial draw, versus Sugar Ray Leonard in an admittedly very good 1989 fight)...

thechump wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:I scored the second fight for Holyfield by 2 points. Larry Holmes and RoyJones Jr also scored it for Holyfield. But I think the decision, while it was wrong, was great for boxing for two reasons: 1) Lewis was robbed badly in the first fight and deserved the title of undisputed heavyweight champin of the world; 2) Holyfield was washed up (he was the same age as Lennox when he fought Vitali) and Lewis still had some great years ahead of him. Holyfield faded so badly that probably should have lost his next 2 fights (1st and 2nd fights against average John Ruiz).

He knocked Ruiz out in the second fight, but your point remains true.

Holyfield never knocked ruiz out,ruuz has only ever been knocked out twice,once in about 1995/96 by davud tua in about 60 seconds of the first round and 2nd by David haye,holyfield has a pounts win a points loss and a draw with ruiz. Dont know were you got this info from pal

Holyfield flattened him with a body shot and the referee called it a low blow, allowing Ruiz to recover basically from a KO defeat.

Autobarn wrote:

thechump wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He knocked Ruiz out in the second fight, but your point remains true.

Holyfield never knocked ruiz out,ruuz has only ever been knocked out twice,once in about 1995/96 by davud tua in about 60 seconds of the first round and 2nd by David haye,holyfield has a pounts win a points loss and a draw with ruiz. Dont know were you got this info from pal

Holyfield flattened him with a body shot and the referee called it a low blow, allowing Ruiz to recover basically from a KO defeat.

That was a legit knockdown,he didnt hold his nuts till cortez said "john iv taken a point off for the low blow and you got 5 mins" he was zzz zzzz zzz before that

I remember fight 2 Holyfield fairing better but still he got beat.

The first fight was pretty disgraceful decision. Lennox gave holy boxing lesson that fight. That and combined with the fact holy was past his best and couldn’t sustain his attacks long enough to put lewis under any real pressure

Boxing Writer wrote:I scored the second fight for Holyfield by 2 points. Larry Holmes and RoyJones Jr also scored it for Holyfield. But I think the decision, while it was wrong, was great for boxing for two reasons: 1) Lewis was robbed badly in the first fight and deserved the title of undisputed heavyweight champin of the world; 2) Holyfield was washed up (he was the same age as Lennox when he fought Vitali) and Lewis still had some great years ahead of him. Holyfield faded so badly that probably should have lost his next 2 fights (1st and 2nd fights against average John Ruiz).

Although Holyfield had recently avenged his defeat to Moorer in stirring fashion, scoring five knockdowns and showing brilliant combination punching. Holyfield certainly had slowed down, but was far physically stronger and moree conimical at this stage of his career. I always felt that Holyfield, like Azumah Nelson before him and Shane Mosley after, fought his career in fierce fits and starts, alternating epic Peaks with dismal troughs. He’d put in one stonking performance and then be totally average in the next fight. I’d say Lewis II while not being his absolute best, was one of the very good performances.

Lewis won the rematch fair and square....it was an 8-4 type of fight.

A few people might have been fooled into being far too generous to Holyfield in part 2 because he did considerably better than in the initial fight.

Judged on its own merit....no body with a sane mind would think Holyfield deserved to win that 2nd fight. Lewis was the better man and proved it over their fights.

lurkyshaka wrote:Lewis won the rematch fair and square....it was an 8-4 type of fight.

A few people might have been fooled into being far too generous to Holyfield in part 2 because he did considerably better than in the initial fight.

Judged on its own merit....no body with a sane mind would think Holyfield deserved to win that 2nd fight. Lewis was the better man and proved it over their fights.

My mind is fine pal

The only reason people think Holyfield won the second fight is because he did better than the first one which was disgracefully scored a draw.

thechump wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

From what I remember they had 3 boring and controversial fights all going the distance.
Who got ripped off in what fight I haven't thought about in years and probably never will think about again.
I think only Tua and Haye stopped Ruiz.

I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.

Saad didnt know you were taking the piss lol,evander also beat valuev but got ripped off

Not sure what "taking the piss" means. I'm an old American white guy. But Evander did get ripped off against Valuev. I remember that better than the horrendous Ruiz fights.

thechump wrote:

lurkyshaka wrote:Lewis won the rematch fair and square....it was an 8-4 type of fight.

A few people might have been fooled into being far too generous to Holyfield in part 2 because he did considerably better than in the initial fight.

Judged on its own merit....no body with a sane mind would think Holyfield deserved to win that 2nd fight. Lewis was the better man and proved it over their fights.

My mind is fine pal

Your mind might be fine but you can't score a fight......you should go get a job in Nevada, you'd fit in perfectly there

Tony1244 wrote:

thechump wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I certainly don't need help with the official results, but thanks anyway. If you had a proper question it's easier if you just ask it. Evander landed a clean body shot and John rolled around and cried foul. It makes up for the poor decision in fight one. 3 poor fights and 3 poorly officiated fights. Evander should have won the third too.

Saad didnt know you were taking the piss lol,evander also beat valuev but got ripped off

Not sure what "taking the piss" means. I'm an old American white guy. But Evander did get ripped off against Valuev. I remember that better than the horrendous Ruiz fights.

Being funny as in not meaning what he is saying lol

lurkyshaka wrote:

thechump wrote:

lurkyshaka wrote:Lewis won the rematch fair and square....it was an 8-4 type of fight.

A few people might have been fooled into being far too generous to Holyfield in part 2 because he did considerably better than in the initial fight.

Judged on its own merit....no body with a sane mind would think Holyfield deserved to win that 2nd fight. Lewis was the better man and proved it over their fights.

My mind is fine pal

Your mind might be fine but you can't score a fight......you should go get a job in Nevada, you'd fit in perfectly there

Same could be said about you then if you think lewis clearly won the 2nd fight,it could of gone either way. Jobs as a judge in vegas pal got your name wrote all over it