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Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 16:36
by Ricky_
Badhusker wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 16:33
Ricky_ wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 13:39
Stiverne is a 40 year old, inactive boxer.
He lost his title to Wilder nearly 3 years ago to Wilder, in a fight that was so conclusive it's hard to imagine a less worthy rematch in a title shot.
A few months later, Stiverne confirmed what most people suspected after the Wilder bout - that he was completely shot. In November 2015 he faced the tomato can known as Derric Rossy, a heavyweight that loses 1/3rd of his fights, and came into the fight with 4 losses from his last 6 bouts.
Rossy put Stiverne on the canvas in the first round, and made a close contest of the uneventful 10-rounder, which many fans believed he won.
That was 2 full years ago. Stiverne is a 40 year-old shot fighter, that's essentially coming out of retirement.... yet somehow we are to believe in some perverse ranking system, this guy is now the mandatory in the wake of Ortiz' failed test?
Let's all point and laugh at the WBC, who continue to shamefully desecrate what should be the most prestigious belt in the sport.
At least get the facts straight dumbass.
Hey Brut, what's been up man? Surprised you still bother to post now lil Floyd is retired.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 16:40
by Ossyrules
Badhusker wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 16:27
punchoutsb wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 13:41
It's worse than that...he was the mandatory BEFORE Ortiz's failed test. He accepted step aside money for Ortiz.
I wish Joshua had the boys to tell Hearn he wants to fight Wilder. Wilder paid $600 K out of his own pocket to fight Ortiz. Joshua would never even mention Ortiz's name. In fact he objected to him being a mandatory for him though WBA so he could fight Pulev.
Make the best guys fight each other.
Joshua was tied to the IBF mandatory should Wlad not have the rematch. This had to be fulfilled
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 16:41
by punchoutsb
Badhusker wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 16:27
punchoutsb wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 13:41
It's worse than that...he was the mandatory BEFORE Ortiz's failed test. He accepted step aside money for Ortiz.
I wish Joshua had the boys to tell Hearn he wants to fight Wilder. Wilder paid $600 K out of his own pocket to fight Ortiz. Joshua would never even mention Ortiz's name. In fact he objected to him being a mandatory for him though WBA so he could fight Pulev.
Make the best guys fight each other.
Your act is getting old. Shouldn't you be praising Stiverne's great shape without yet seeing him? Oh wait, you've already done that and needed to backtrack. It's ok, Wilder doesn't need you to defend his opponents. We are all waiting with baited breath to see if we are going to be treated to Wilder/Molina II!
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 17:06
by Kalan
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 15:32
I hope you guys are just f*cking around
Surely nobody REALLY thinks it's a good idea to have 4 World Champions per weight class, 17 weight classes. That's 68 World Champions in the same sport...that's ridiculous.
That's why the average casual spectator is under the impression that there's 34 weight classes and 68 World Champions in every weight class.. Hence, the general public is now only interested in watching the biggest names and most prestigious fights -- as in May-Mac, which broke all records.
The orgs and big name boxers love this setup.. The many orgs get paid bribes and sanctioning fees.. The big names corner the big money.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 18:35
by tiny_acres
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 16:18
tiny_acres wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 16:17
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 16:13
Oh yeah if you wanna count something like IBO it's over 100, then you also got WBA Regular and Interim Champions...it's an absolute joke, and it's no wonder why most casual fans don't bother to keep track of all this stuff.
I like the idea of Regional Titles like say (British Champion), (Japanese Champion), (European Champion) etc...but there should only be ONE World Champion.
I would say 99% of the world agrees with you
And the other 1% collect sanctioning fees
Yes sir.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 18:59
by Kalan
Everyone knows the fight is the most pathetic match-up going...and the WBC is the most pathetic and corrupt organization in Boxing... It's very obvious they're on the take in a major way -- or Bermane Stiverne would NOT have been the man they kept pushing as mandatory challenger.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 23:09
by TooMuch
Lets get this straight. That fat ass Stiverne is going to gas by the fifth round and Wilder will finish him.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 23:18
by jamamb
time for deontay to score another ko
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 23:46
by gilgamesh
Wilder ran right through him like a hot knife through butter this time. Stiverne didn't do sh*t except get hit and knocked out. 3 knockdowns
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 23:46
by dagilechia
i said before the fight that Stiverne is a bum and top 50 and people that see him in top 10, some even better than Takam are funny, but i was wrong - he is around top 100
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 23:48
by nmhz
Bermane had no business in that ring. Barely threw a jab. Someone remind me how he became the mandatory
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 23:49
by Ricky_
FARCE
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 00:06
by Grailer
if I was Wilder I would toss the WBC belt in the bin
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 00:07
by gilgamesh
Grailer wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 00:06
if I was Wilder I would toss the WBC belt in the bin
Why? That's his leverage to get the big fight with Joshua. If he doesn't have the WBC Belt he's suddenly a lot less interesting of an opponent for Joshua. At least from a Promotional standpoint.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 06:26
by Badhusker
Ricky_ wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 23:49FARCE
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 07:37
by Ossyrules
It was a bit farcical. Even as a wilder groupie you must see it
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 07:56
by greg
World Boxing Circus
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 10:35
by Lackeos
Was it a farce? We'll use the classic metric of verifying whether Stiverne landed a punch or lasted a full round. Nope, it was a farce.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 10:37
by Tony1244
It was a farce. It was like an operation you didn't need. You're glad it's over.
Go away, Bermaine and fry your fish.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 10:38
by Tony1244
It was a farce. It was like an operation you didn't need. You're glad it's over.
Go away, Bermaine and fry your fish.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 10:38
by Tony1244
It was a farce. It was like an operation you didn't need. You're glad it's over.
Go away, Bermaine and fry your fish.
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 12:43
by tiny_acres
Wilder did what he was supposed to do. He destroyed his mandatory challenger.
Wilder didn't want this fight no more that any one else. He tried to avoid it paying Stiverne to step aside.
It's not his fault Ortiz like Povetkin was dirty as hell.
He destroyed his mandatory.
We all hate these crappy mandatory fights. But we can't blame the champs for having to take them.
Now is the time for Wilder to jump back in the ring quickly with the highest ranked clean fighter out there.
He needs to make a statement
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 12:47
by dagilechia
Charlie Zelenoff did better than Stiverne
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 12:53
by Ossyrules
tiny_acres wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 12:43
Wilder did what he was supposed to do. He destroyed his mandatory challenger.
Wilder didn't want this fight no more that any one else. He tried to avoid it paying Stiverne to step aside.
It's not his fault Ortiz like Povetkin was dirty as hell.
He destroyed his mandatory.
We all hate these crappy mandatory fights. But we can't blame the champs for having to take them.
Now is the time for Wilder to jump back in the ring quickly with the highest ranked clean fighter out there.
He needs to make a statement
It’s not Wilders fault for sure, but it was a damn lame event for sure.
Agreed get himself back in the ring for a better fight asap
Re: Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE
Posted: 05 Nov 2017, 13:03
by tiny_acres
Ossyrules wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 12:53
tiny_acres wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 12:43
Wilder did what he was supposed to do. He destroyed his mandatory challenger.
Wilder didn't want this fight no more that any one else. He tried to avoid it paying Stiverne to step aside.
It's not his fault Ortiz like Povetkin was dirty as hell.
He destroyed his mandatory.
We all hate these crappy mandatory fights. But we can't blame the champs for having to take them.
Now is the time for Wilder to jump back in the ring quickly with the highest ranked clean fighter out there.
He needs to make a statement
It’s not Wilders fault for sure, but it was a damn lame event for sure.
Agreed get himself back in the ring for a better fight asap
I honestly think he should push for a late January early February return. The fight or lack of it took nothing out of him. He's ring ready get his butt back in that ring asap