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gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 01:53 I'm overreacting? You're wanting to fine a guy for being excited after a win for f*cks sake, and I'm overreacting?

I think calling for the National Guard is a tad more extreme than calling for a fighter to respect the Ref.

I don't know what you want the National Guard involved. It does seem like an over-reaction

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 02:02 He definitely looked a lot sharper, and more accurate with his punches tonight than he's looked in the past, but again that could all be smoke and mirrors a bit because Stiverne was basically a sitting duck in there.

He looked excellent. Great movement, fast. I've always liked him but he's always been a bit cavemanish but e actually looked like a boxer tonight. Very sharp. Nice jab.

But as we all said, it was against a fat lump with no ambition.

We need to see The Fight!

Taansend wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 02:24

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 01:53 I'm overreacting? You're wanting to fine a guy for being excited after a win for f*cks sake, and I'm overreacting?

I think calling for the National Guard is a tad more extreme than calling for a fighter to respect the Ref.

I don't know what you want the National Guard involved. It does seem like an over-reaction

I'm mocking you by suggesting to get the National Guard involved.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 02:35

Taansend wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 02:24

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 01:53 I'm overreacting? You're wanting to fine a guy for being excited after a win for f*cks sake, and I'm overreacting?

I think calling for the National Guard is a tad more extreme than calling for a fighter to respect the Ref.

I don't know what you want the National Guard involved. It does seem like an over-reaction

I'm mocking you by suggesting to get the National Guard involved.

Are you sure of that? You might want to reread the whole thread to see whom is mocking whom (or is it who is mocking whom?)

I'm too high for this

I don't like wilder but I'm not blaming him for that farce.

It's the WBC and don King. I'm just glad Deontay demolished him quickly to show how much of a joke mandatory it was.

The Joshua v wilder fight has to be next year. Wilder should come over here annihilate Whyte get loads of money then fight Joshua at Wembley.

Does not really matter how he looked, quality of opposition is always the first thing to look at.

Drives me fcking nuts how people (not in this instance, just generally and casuals) go all mad over some guy who smashes someone shite. I always say, "Ok look, if I walk down to the local primary school and start laying out a dozen eleven year olds, showing some bolo punches, dancing, smashing, hooking, one punch knock outs, does that mean I am going to do that sh!t against a professional fighter? Does it even mean I will do it against you?"

Stiverne was an embarrassment but that was not down to Wilder, he was in great shape and did his job. Two things I note generally - he has fought shite guys but he has wanted challenges and accepted them (Ortiz and Povetkin) and not his fault they were dirty and also he is very vocally against drugs. He looks clean at 220lb, as you'd expect a clean athlete to look, he talks about how disgusting it is that people take gear, is adamant he is clean himself and shouts about it. In comparison, AJ, if you listen, never comes right out and speaks out against it, not to my knowledge. It is always fannying around comments which strike me as someone careful what he says in case it is thrown back at him if he ever fails a test.

Typical AJ response: "You know I do not get involved in other peoples business, I just concentrate on my own business and worry about myself. He (insert name of recent failure) has to deal with the situation he is in and the authorities will do what they have to do, we just worry about our own training and ....." then he rambles off subject having deflected and once again, the interviewer has failed to push him into a corner or pick up on his politician answer of not answering

How did Stiverne get this fight? How can he be mandatory when he fought Wilder and got beat in January 2015? Its not as if he showed anything to warrant a rematch in the first fight, did Stiverne win any rounds first time out?

Stiverne beat Rossy 10 moths later but Rossy not even ranked so how did that make Stiverne mandatory and wait almost 2 years to get this fight?

Anyone who says Wilder looked good beating a dustbin can needs a reality check. Any boxer in the world fighting a nothing can do the same, it was not a fight.

Not Wilders fault he will fight who he told to by the WBC but lets not get excited about this fight.

Too many titles and its ruining the sport.

Wilder took out the trash and looked good doing it.

Remember Julius Francis vs Mike Tyson? Francis got the soles of his shoes sponsored for god sake and went down about 5 times making sure the daily mirror got their money's worth,he should not of been paid. Another mike tyson fight vs a retired michael spinks,shoukd Spinks if been paid? Clifford Etienne? Bruce Seldon? Henry Tillman? Alex stewart? This is heavyweight boxing and Wilder can only fight who is front of him,i think he would do similar to AJ,he is too wild and throws everything into every shot and AJ wont be able to stop whats coming.

mimmy123 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 04:34 How did Stiverne get this fight? How can he be mandatory when he fought Wilder and got beat in January 2015? Its not as if he showed anything to warrant a rematch in the first fight, did Stiverne win any rounds first time out?

Stiverne beat Rossy 10 moths later but Rossy not even ranked so how did that make Stiverne mandatory and wait almost 2 years to get this fight?

Don King

Stiverne was in pretty appalling shape. I would have placed Stirvene, prior to this fight, in a similar bracket to Carlos Takam and we must congratulate both Lou De Bella and Eddie Hearn for putting in "acceptable" opponents after original pull outs. However, unlike Takam, Stirvene was in terrible condition and actually put in one of the worst heavyweight title defenses I had seen in fight 1 vs Wilder. So the result was little surprising, although perhaps it occuring in round 1 was slightly surprising.

I noticed Sky placed Takam at #6 Heavyweight in the world - he's probably risen about 10 places because he went a few rounds with Joshua. Personally, I'd rather see fighters grab wins over credible defeats.

They both looked like shit. Wilder is unbelievably open and his punches telegraphed. He was up against nothing in the fight and he still made a ton of mistakes. Horrible fight.

tobyh5 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 03:33 Two things I note generally - he has fought shite guys but he has wanted challenges and accepted them (Ortiz and Povetkin) and not his fault they were dirty and also he is very vocally against drugs. He looks clean at 220lb, as you'd expect a clean athlete to look, he talks about how disgusting it is that people take gear, is adamant he is clean himself and shouts about it. In comparison, AJ, if you listen, never comes right out and speaks out against it, not to my knowledge. It is always fannying around comments which strike me as someone careful what he says in case it is thrown back at him if he ever fails a test.

Typical AJ response: "You know I do not get involved in other peoples business, I just concentrate on my own business and worry about myself. He (insert name of recent failure) has to deal with the situation he is in and the authorities will do what they have to do, we just worry about our own training and ....." then he rambles off subject having deflected and once again, the interviewer has failed to push him into a corner or pick up on his politician answer of not answering

good points

Taansend wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 01:17

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 00:58

horndawg80 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 00:57 Wilder’s #1 fact

Nah, but he's still got a firm hold on #2. He's gotta beat Joshua for #1.

Neither Number One until they meet, in my humble opinion.

Make it rank 10, he never even fought anyone out of the top 10.