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gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 17:05

Ossyrules wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 16:52

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 16:42
...Not sure what that means

If boxing offered me as a fan a situation in the future where there would be only 2 belts instead of 4, I would take them up on it for sure.

So I agree that 2 is too many, but it’s a damn side better than what we have now

Of course, any improvement is welcome. But why fix it half assed, when you can fix it completely.

ldlamb wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 17:22 I actually would choose 2 world titles, if given freedom to pick any option.

People are disposed to think the way it was when they grew up, to be he way it should be, and I guess I'm no different.

I grew up in the era of 2 titles and I liked it that way because:

1) if someone was really being ducked by one guy, they did have the other option; and

2) It allowed a good 1 or 2 year build up to huge fights as the two champs cleaned out the division, ala Leonard/Hearns, Curry/McCrory or Spinks/Qawi.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 15:27 I don't know if you guys watch the videos IFL posts on youtube. But hearn was asked about this the other day and said he had never made an offer to Parker. He was not sure where the rumors were coming from.

Badhusker wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 17:29

marvelous marv wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 15:27 I don't know if you guys watch the videos IFL posts on youtube. But hearn was asked about this the other day and said he had never made an offer to Parker. He was not sure where the rumors were coming from.

It wouldn't be the first time Hearn lied. Parker's promoter Higgins said Hearn offered 20% of the purse to them. I'm not sure why they would make that up so I would believe them over Hearn.

drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 18:45 If the Joshua fight doesn't come off right away, I think Wilder will take on whoever he can get a match with, barring anyone getting suspended for PED use. He was on his way to Russia to fight Povetkin when he got the call that it was off... He was willing to get in the ring with Ortiz - one of the division's most feared men when the same thing happened... He's been calling out Joshua for over a year and Tyson Fury before that.. I don't think his willingness should be questioned. So yeah, Parker is a good pick if all else falls through.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 18:54

drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 18:45 If the Joshua fight doesn't come off right away, I think Wilder will take on whoever he can get a match with, barring anyone getting suspended for PED use. He was on his way to Russia to fight Povetkin when he got the call that it was off... He was willing to get in the ring with Ortiz - one of the division's most feared men when the same thing happened... He's been calling out Joshua for over a year and Tyson Fury before that.. I don't think his willingness should be questioned. So yeah, Parker is a good pick if all else falls through.

Good post

Ossyrules wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 17:38

Badhusker wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 17:29

marvelous marv wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 15:27 I don't know if you guys watch the videos IFL posts on youtube. But hearn was asked about this the other day and said he had never made an offer to Parker. He was not sure where the rumors were coming from.

It wouldn't be the first time Hearn lied. Parker's promoter Higgins said Hearn offered 20% of the purse to them. I'm not sure why they would make that up so I would believe them over Hearn.

How much is 20% though. Itd be handy to know that before it gets called a shite offer.

How much is Parker earning in his previous fights?
How much is Joshua earning?

If you know the answers to those we’ll know how much each guy roughly brings to the table

drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 18:56

tiny_acres wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 18:54

drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 18:45 If the Joshua fight doesn't come off right away, I think Wilder will take on whoever he can get a match with, barring anyone getting suspended for PED use. He was on his way to Russia to fight Povetkin when he got the call that it was off... He was willing to get in the ring with Ortiz - one of the division's most feared men when the same thing happened... He's been calling out Joshua for over a year and Tyson Fury before that.. I don't think his willingness should be questioned. So yeah, Parker is a good pick if all else falls through.

Good post

Thanks :)

asdfjkl wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 00:27

drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 18:56

tiny_acres wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 18:54
Good post

Thanks :)

Yea, except that he was being out of shape, celebrating holiday in the UK knowing months beforehand the fight would never happen. Hasn't proved himself in his entire carreer and I very much doubt he will fight Parker without massive unfair advantages.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 21:56 I would gladly accept 20% if I was Parker actually, Parker deserves a better payday as Wilder for example, but this much better?

Lackeos wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 19:52

asdfjkl wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 21:56 I would gladly accept 20% if I was Parker actually, Parker deserves a better payday as Wilder for example, but this much better?

Then... you would play Parker's hand quite badly. You're saying that if you were the highest-ranked heavyweight 25 years or under, you had a belt and tons of potential to make tens of millions of dollars in your career, and you deserved like 45% of the purse, then your dumbass would GLADLY accept 20%? You would be like the dumbest version of Joseph Parker that ever Joseph Parkered. Like if someone had a treasury bond worth $10,000 and you're like "If I were you, I would gladly sell that bond for $3,000 cold hard cash. ACTUALLY... I would trade it for three magical beans."

tiny_acres wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 20:00

Lackeos wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 19:52

asdfjkl wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 21:56 I would gladly accept 20% if I was Parker actually, Parker deserves a better payday as Wilder for example, but this much better?

Then... you would play Parker's hand quite badly. You're saying that if you were the highest-ranked heavyweight 25 years or under, you had a belt and tons of potential to make tens of millions of dollars in your career, and you deserved like 45% of the purse, then your dumbass would GLADLY accept 20%? You would be like the dumbest version of Joseph Parker that ever Joseph Parkered. Like if someone had a treasury bond worth $10,000 and you're like "If I were you, I would gladly sell that bond for $3,000 cold hard cash. ACTUALLY... I would trade it for three magical beans."

Lackeys you are talking the guy that says Wilder deserves only 3 or 4%
He is a child who has no concept of reality and does nothing but hate on any fighter he doesn't like.
He has no sense of objectivity or reality

KiwiRider wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 16:30

Ossyrules wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 15:51
I think it highlights also that 4 belts is too many. Parker should be a contender working his way up and learning, but now he has to masquerade as a champ and learn on the job, so the whole situation isn’t quite as easy as it could be for him

Any more than one belt is too many for a world champion.
Parker is an accidental champion. No one thought he could beat Takem. The opportunity came up, Takem thought he was in for an easy night, a very decent payday and didn't mind travelling. That win bumped Parker up to #1 contender and the belt became vacant. Who can blame him for giving it a go? So here he is, a target with a belt. Vastly inexperienced, small for the current crop, and way over his head
Bit he is giving it a go, it's taxing being a fan as every fight for him seems 50/50 or worse. But as someone has said, Wilder at 25 was not fighting at nearly as high a level as little Joey Parker- the achitypical underdog. In fact, I don't think Wilder has fought anyone as lively as Takem yet.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 15:51

KiwiRider wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 15:48

Lackeos wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 15:09 Parker doesn't need this headache. He's still only 25, and a fight with a top 3 heavyweight is not a good career move for him right now. He is best off taking winnable fights and gradually improving over time, a.k.a. the Calzaghe route. Wilder has never had the courage to fight a top 3 heavyweight, especially by the green young age of 25. When Wilder was Parker's age, he was fighting Damon Reed, Dominique Alexander, and Daniel Cota.

But since Wilder is 32 and totally ready for a proper challenge, I would certainly like to see him fight Joshua, Povetkin, Ortiz, or Pulev (or Tyson Fury). Apart from that, I think the WBC needs to put together an eliminator of respectable contenders to offer Wilder a better challenger. I would be happy with an eliminator that featured any combination of Whyte, Ruiz, Takam, Wach, Kabayel, and Kownacki (or fighters not presently ranked by the WBC, like Hammer and Miller).

I tend to agree. Parker is very green and on top of what you said, he also does not have an Am pedegree either. He needs to build up better opponents to make a fight with AJ or Wilder competitive. Maybe someone like Brazeale or anyone tall and game. Let's not forget that compared to Wilder and AJ, Parker is pretty short as well. I've seen pictures of him standing next to both and it's quite a difference. Parker is about the same size as Bellew and Haye. He struggled with Cojanu who is tall. The only problem is that Parker is not one to dodge fights, Huey Fury being a prime example. He could have ditched that after Fury hurt his back but didn't.

I think it highlights also that 4 belts is too many. Parker should be a contender working his way up and learning, but now he has to masquerade as a champ and learn on the job, so the whole situation isn’t quite as easy as it could be for him

Syntax Error wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 01:41

Ossyrules wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 15:51

KiwiRider wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 15:48
I tend to agree. Parker is very green and on top of what you said, he also does not have an Am pedegree either. He needs to build up better opponents to make a fight with AJ or Wilder competitive. Maybe someone like Brazeale or anyone tall and game. Let's not forget that compared to Wilder and AJ, Parker is pretty short as well. I've seen pictures of him standing next to both and it's quite a difference. Parker is about the same size as Bellew and Haye. He struggled with Cojanu who is tall. The only problem is that Parker is not one to dodge fights, Huey Fury being a prime example. He could have ditched that after Fury hurt his back but didn't.

I think it highlights also that 4 belts is too many. Parker should be a contender working his way up and learning, but now he has to masquerade as a champ and learn on the job, so the whole situation isn’t quite as easy as it could be for him

Anthony Joshua is in the same position.

Because there are so many belts, the talent pool is thin & he has now found himself as champion whilst he is still learning.

He proved against Wladimir that he is tough, willing & game, but he is not the finished article yet & because he is such a big draw & a PPV attraction, he will fight so infrequently that he might never truly learn his trade.