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To the casual fan it must be another anomaly as to how boxing is only sport in which the loser of a fight can make more money than the winner.

If we are talking reforms then we should look at the way boxing is scored and judged. It is paramount that there is a system in place that we can all have confidence in. There's a lot of room, far too much, for dodgy practices to thrive.

As things stand there is no question as to who is the bigger draw, but at the same time I can see no justification for AJ to get better than a 60/40 split.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 12:09As things stand there is no question as to who is the bigger draw, but at the same time I can see no justification for AJ to get better than a 60/40 split.

Are you suggesting that Joshua takes a pay cut?

When AJ was set to face Kubrat Pulev, Joshua’s purse split from a $25m pot was 80% ($20m). The Bulgarian’s payday ($5m) was almost treble Wilder’s typical purses.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ isn’t a big name in the US and is fairly anonymous to casual boxing observers in the UK, so I wouldn’t expect a bout between Wilder and Joshua to generate much more revenue than Joshua-Pulev.

When the promoters finish building it up, the money should be split 50/50. Imagine when they're the only fighters holding titles and AJ is say 30-0(30 KO) and Wilder is 49-0 the demand will be incredible.

JohnL wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 13:40 When the promoters finish building it up, the money should be split 50/50. Imagine when they're the only fighters holding titles and AJ is say 30-0(30 KO) and Wilder is 49-0 the demand will be incredible.

Deontay Wilder has been a world champion for almost three years, but doesn’t have a fan base, which is the reason why he’s earning a pittance in comparison to AJ’s typical $20m paydays:
• Gerald Washington = $900K
• Chris Arreola = $1.4m
• Artur Szpilka = $1.5m
• Johann Duhaupas = $1.4m
• Bermane Stiverne I = $1m
• Bermane Stiverne II = $1.4m

AJ-Wilder is never going to be a 50-50 purse split type of fight.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 14:10 More like 4, or 5%, about similar like Molina had, in cash, not in %.

Your hatred on Wilder borders on pathological. But people like you do make it more interesting. I'll think of you every time Wilder wins by KO.

It’s interesting to see that the majority of the votes that have been cast to this poll have gone for Wilder earning a 40% split…

For Joshua to receive his typical $20m payday (assuming he only receives a 60% split), the total combined fight pot to face Wilder would need to be 33% bigger than AJ-Pulev, with Deontay being paid roughly $13.3m.

Where is all this extra money going to come from or do people believe that Joshua should take a pay cut?

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 10:16 I voted 50%, but 40% is good too. Yes, AJ has fought better opponents but both are undefeated and KO artists.

Anyone saying <30% isn't serious.

aj has fought better comp, has more belts fwiw, but more importantly is a much bigger money maker. he earns 8 figures each fight now while wilder only got 900k for wasington and a little over 1m for saturday. anyone saying 50-50 cant be serious.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 13:12

Thomastearns wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 12:09As things stand there is no question as to who is the bigger draw, but at the same time I can see no justification for AJ to get better than a 60/40 split.

Are you suggesting that Joshua takes a pay cut?

‘The Bronze Bomber’ isn’t a big name in the US..

and is fairly anonymous to casual boxing observers in the UK,

so I wouldn’t expect a bout between Wilder and Joshua to generate much more revenue than Joshua-Pulev.

No, no, no and no again. Time will reveal all.

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:06

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 10:16 I voted 50%, but 40% is good too. Yes, AJ has fought better opponents but both are undefeated and KO artists.

Anyone saying <30% isn't serious.

aj has fought better comp, has more belts fwiw, but more importantly is a much bigger money maker. he earns 8 figures each fight now while wilder only got 900k for wasington and a little over 1m for saturday. anyone saying 50-50 cant be serious.

I do think 50% is more serious than 5%. AJ won Olympic Gold and boxing is far bigger in the UK, so those points are taken. But look at all these threads he's getting. Someone is paying attention to him.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:20

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:06

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 10:16 I voted 50%, but 40% is good too. Yes, AJ has fought better opponents but both are undefeated and KO artists.

Anyone saying <30% isn't serious.

aj has fought better comp, has more belts fwiw, but more importantly is a much bigger money maker. he earns 8 figures each fight now while wilder only got 900k for wasington and a little over 1m for saturday. anyone saying 50-50 cant be serious.

I do think 50% is more serious than 5%. AJ won Olympic Gold and boxing is far bigger in the UK, so those points are taken. But look at all these threads he's getting. Someone is paying attention to him.

40% is a realistic number. No way does this fight get made for less

forum threads dont = money. plus most forum talk about him is unfairly and bizarrely negative.

of course not 5 % but i think 30 is okay. joshua makes way more money, has better comp, has more belts (the first point is really the main thing though). lets say it doesnt happen, then what do they go back to? aj goes back to massive paydays against anyone and wilder goes back to 1m.

this would be a big fight, but i think joshua taking highly lopsided splits vs guys like takam would make him more than giving 50 percent to wilder. and it doesnt make sense to take less money for a bigger fight and the toughest opponent out there.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:26

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:20

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:06

aj has fought better comp, has more belts fwiw, but more importantly is a much bigger money maker. he earns 8 figures each fight now while wilder only got 900k for wasington and a little over 1m for saturday. anyone saying 50-50 cant be serious.

I do think 50% is more serious than 5%. AJ won Olympic Gold and boxing is far bigger in the UK, so those points are taken. But look at all these threads he's getting. Someone is paying attention to him.

40% is a realistic number. No way does this fight get made for less

Everyone loves dissing Wilder. True, he fought some retired journeyman light heavyweights coming up, but now its seems like AJ is the one who doesn't want to risk his 0 against Deontay. 40% is ok. 38(37)-0-0 with a belt to receive under that is silly.

50 50 is not realistic. Wilder brings little in terms of drawing power. He has a belt but has fought dismal competition to get and retain it.

If wilder gets 40% he will be earning way more than ever before.

How does beating 30 bums and 8 C level opponents warrant a 40-50% split against a clear A side?

AJ makes like 15m a fight
Wilder like 1m

AJ has fought better comp
AJ has more belts

how is Wilder getting under 40 percent silly? on a drawing power basis he deserves more like 5, but i think he should get more than that to make it happen. but 40 percent would prob lead to joshua getting paid less than normal. its a big fight but not a colossal one.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:32 How does beating 30 bums and 8 C level opponents warrant a 40-50% split against a clear A side?

I didn't say it did. If he gets 40% his management will have done a really good job.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:26

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:20

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:06

aj has fought better comp, has more belts fwiw, but more importantly is a much bigger money maker. he earns 8 figures each fight now while wilder only got 900k for wasington and a little over 1m for saturday. anyone saying 50-50 cant be serious.

I do think 50% is more serious than 5%. AJ won Olympic Gold and boxing is far bigger in the UK, so those points are taken. But look at all these threads he's getting. Someone is paying attention to him.

40% is a realistic number. No way does this fight get made for less

No, it is not. Golovkin didn't get 40% against Canelo. There is no way Wilder is more deserving.

tell me tony and tiny, if the fight doesnt happen, what paydays will wilder go back to. what paydays will joshua go back to.

since we are speaking finances, from a financial perspective, why should a guy who makes one tenth (at best) what the other guy makes get close to 50 percent?

I voted 25%, not trolling wilder but that’s just looking at figures

Anything north of 30 and Wilders handlers have done very well. I expect Joshua may have to bend slightly as he has more to lose in this situation, but 50/50 like some say is pure make believe land

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:35 tell me tony and tiny, if the fight doesnt happen, what paydays will wilder go back to. what paydays will joshua go back to.

since we are speaking finances, from a financial perspective, why should a guy who makes one tenth (at best) what the other guy makes get close to 50 percent?

They both need a dance partner. Who is AJ going to fight? Browne, Povetkin, and Ortiz are all pushing 40 and flunking drug tests. Pulev is boring, limited, and old.

Don't get me wrong, I consider AJ the one and only champion. AJ beat the man who beat the man. Gold over bronze.

Having said that, I think Wilder will help sell a lot of tickets if the fight is marketed halfway well. Wilder's personality creates laughter, likability and hatred and all those things sell, sell, sell.

Personally, I don't give a damn how much they make, but Wilder should demand at least 30%.

aj sold out 80k for 'old boring' pulev. he makes loads vs anyone. him vs me would be ppv. he doesnt need wilder at all from a financial perspective and hed be taking a pay cut if he gave up nearly half the money.

wilder makes far far less than joshua and would be making far more than usual even if he took 25 percent. wilder isnt any bigger a name than broner. ppl are just stuck thinking that a hw ko artist champ must be a huge deal these days. well things have changed.

This fight needs building, lots of it. This is the chance for Eddie Hearn to show what he can do with his golden investment. He wants AJ to break America and he wants to make a splash there himself.

On the other hand Dibella, Finkel and co. need to demonstrate that they are not merely trying to cash in a desperate hand. They should have the confidence to fully back and build up their fighter. Their bullshit strongarm tactics fool nobody and Deontay Wilder deserves better.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:00

asdfjkl wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 14:10 More like 4, or 5%, about similar like Molina had, in cash, not in %.

Your hatred on Wilder borders on pathological. But people like you do make it more interesting. I'll think of you every time Wilder wins by KO.

Wilder makes 1,4 mil each match, AJ like 28, that makes like 4, or 5% right?

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 15:41

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:00

asdfjkl wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 14:10 More like 4, or 5%, about similar like Molina had, in cash, not in %.

Your hatred on Wilder borders on pathological. But people like you do make it more interesting. I'll think of you every time Wilder wins by KO.

Wilder makes 1,4 mil each match, AJ like 28, that makes like 4, or 5% right?

There will be no fight if Wilder only gets 5%.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 16:21

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 15:41

Tony1244 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:00 Your hatred on Wilder borders on pathological. But people like you do make it more interesting. I'll think of you every time Wilder wins by KO.

Wilder makes 1,4 mil each match, AJ like 28, that makes like 4, or 5% right?

There will be no fight if Wilder only gets 5%.

I know, Wilder always outprices himself if he's scared, Briggs offered him a record payday, a payday that was higher as Wilder ever earned in any fight in the ring in his carreer till the day of today. But ofcourse, Wilder ran away scared like a chicken. Whyte offered him even more! But Wilder then said he wanted 7 mil from Whyte, 7 MIL FROM WHYTE?! And on his own terms on top of that! Now he cries for AJ in the media, but doesn't accept any fair offer, in the past he also acted like he wanted to fight Parker, but now we don't hear anything about that any more, same thing with Hughie. Wilder basically asks ridiculous things, things he knows are impossible, or runs away scared.