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caldo2025 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 08:02

jamamb wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 17:51 joshuas main appeal, what makes him a superstar, is with british casuals who probably know very little of wilder let alone keep up with daily boxing business news. even if josh were blatantly ducking theyd prob know little of it. And of course the evidence for joshua ducking is?

have wilders side made a formal offer? lmao at instagram callout =other guy ducking. caldo is one of these dumb gullable fans who think tweets are hard negotiations. what a twat

Look, Wilder has appeared on TV calling AJ out on several occasions. Even the fans in the arena sounded like they were booing when AJ danced around the Wilder questioning after his fight too.

It's amazing how some of you guys can't just have a civil conversation without being a an absolute cock. Why even be on here? Go drowned a kitten or fry up some ants with a magnifying glass. Whatever else gets your rocks off.

Badhusker wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 09:05 I think Big Baby Miller will fight Joshua next or at least before Wilder since he just signed with Hearn, assuming he gets by his next fight against Wach "Lurch".

keirw wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 11:49

Badhusker wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 09:05 I think Big Baby Miller will fight Joshua next or at least before Wilder since he just signed with Hearn, assuming he gets by his next fight against Wach "Lurch".

A fight with Miller would make for a good US debut, help build his fanbase stateside and allow them to see how many British fans are willing to travel to watch AJ.

If it is a commercial success, it raises the possibility of the Wilder fight taking place in the US also.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 12:00 The fight would have to be in UK. Plain and simple. Nobody in the US knows who Miller or Wilder are.

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 08:12 I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:22

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 08:12 I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:33

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:22

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 08:12 I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

That’s massively debatable. Stiverne was definitely better in 2015 but he still weren’t that good. Him and Whyte then even match

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:22

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 08:12 I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:51

Ossyrules wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:33

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:22

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

That’s massively debatable. Stiverne was definitely better in 2015 but he still weren’t that good. Him and Whyte then even match

Yep, Stiverne has never been "infinitely better" than anybody or "a top 10 fighter".

By the way, Whyte is now officially #1 WBC. I am wondering if they will order Wilder fight him or do a final eliminator first. I wouldn't mind seeing Wilder vs Whyte or Povetkin vs Whyte.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:57

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:22

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 08:12 I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

Stiverens record suggests he was never really tested. The only decent opponent he has is Wilder x2

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 16:32

KiwiRider wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:57
Stiverens record suggests he was never really tested. The only decent opponent he has is Wilder x2

That's a fair point, but Whyte is no better than he was.

To be fair to Whyte, he does have a better resume, but I just don't rate him at all.

Leaving Joshua aside, whom he lost to, he went life & death with Chisora who arguably really won their bout.

Whyte is game & willing to put himself out there & for that, I do give him credit, but he's just not as good as he thinks he is.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 16:22

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:51

Ossyrules wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 15:33

That’s massively debatable. Stiverne was definitely better in 2015 but he still weren’t that good. Him and Whyte then even match

Yep, Stiverne has never been "infinitely better" than anybody or "a top 10 fighter".

By the way, Whyte is now officially #1 WBC. I am wondering if they will order Wilder fight him or do a final eliminator first. I wouldn't mind seeing Wilder vs Whyte or Povetkin vs Whyte.

Stiverne certainly is not great & never has been, but in 2015, he was a top 10 fighter.

Whyte is no great shakes either & if the WBC consider him to be the number 1 contender in the world & that is the accepted norm, then Stiverne being a top 10 fighter 3 years ago should also be the accepted norm.

Kalan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 23:31 Wilder is one of the best Heavyweights... He could be number 3 behind AJ and Ortiz... But there's 1 reason NOT to do Joshua vs Wilder.

Not just yet... because Wilder needs to beat somebody good.

Deontay Wilder hasn't had a Blockbuster event like Joshua-Klitschko... Joshua-Whyte was bigger than any fight Wilder had... Joshua-Takam was a bigger fight... Joshua-Martin was bigger... Joshua-Breazeale was even bigger... Hmmm...I'll say Wilder fought bigger fights than Joshua-Cornish

SFW wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 09:27 It's pretty sad the only real excuse people are coming up with is Wilder made no offer. Is everyone blind? AJ and Hearn hold all the cards, all of them. An offer from Wilder means absolutely nothing. Not even the paper it could be written on. Hearn can do or say anything too, the sheep just buy it regardless.

Another excuse is Wilder hasn't fought anybody. Yet your heroes Kell Brook and Ricky Hatton had not fought poo before they went on to prove their past competition meant nothing compared to what their capable of. Just like what Wilder can do. When it's your guy, the rules are different lol.

There is and always has been concern from the AJ side, because we've all seen him hurt, seen him gas out and look done. And they know Wilder is too dumb to care about all of the bullshit outside the ring he's a killer inside the ring. He's fast and powerful, more THAN ANY OF AJ's previous opponents simply a fact, had to use that line y'all use against Deontay constantly. Old Klitschko who had him out is laughably less dangerous sorry please check what year we all live in. If Klitschko came at Wilder like that, he's knocked out. Not handed a bullshit stoppage after barely surviving. Actually knocked out. This fight, when Joshua takes it since his word is the only thing that even kinda matters, is not gonna play out the way the fanboys here think it is.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 09:45 A bout between Wilder and Joshua only became a real-world possibility since the 5th November, 2017, because prior to that, both men were committed to facing their mandatory challengers.

Nobody from Team Wilder has ever submitted an offer to AJ. This fact is irrefutable in nature, which means that it’s not up for debate.

Eddie Hearn has met up with Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon this week to discuss another offer to Wilder (i.e. dates, venues etc. but no purse split was agreed). Once again, this is another irrefutable fact.

So therefore, no one can say that AJ is “ducking” Deontay Wilder, because it’s only the Brits' team that have made the effort to initiate contract negotiations with the American.

SFW wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 10:09

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 09:45 A bout between Wilder and Joshua only became a real-world possibility since the 5th November, 2017, because prior to that, both men were committed to facing their mandatory challengers.

Nobody from Team Wilder has ever submitted an offer to AJ. This fact is irrefutable in nature, which means that it’s not up for debate.

Eddie Hearn has met up with Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon this week to discuss another offer to Wilder (i.e. dates, venues etc. but no purse split was agreed). Once again, this is another irrefutable fact.

So therefore, no one can say that AJ is “ducking” Deontay Wilder, because it’s only the Brits' team that have made the effort to initiate contract negotiations with the American.

Um actually, people can say whatever they want, and it doesn't have to be based on yours or anyone else's criteria since that's never going to be the only way to determine who's doing what. A facade Hearn puts out there, any kind of contact or discussion, does not constitute anything real. He can literally tell you one thing and do another at any time, for any reason. They have all along wanted this fight at a much later date, yet you say they are the only ones to make an "offer". Well there's a huge contradiction right there. That offer would likely be lukewarm, not anything close to serious, and in reality a worthless offer. Something to talk about, click bait. Nothing real. Sounds very different than it actually is, and in no way clears either guy from suspicions. Joshua calls Wilder easy work, Hearn says 3 rounds. Yet they are looking in multiple other directions first, this little New York discussion about Wilder means what? Extremely little. Coffee talk. Nothing more. We can only believe this fight will happen when AJ says it's a done deal. I don't believe either are afraid of the other, can see why some people suspect it, but I guarantee AJ is smart enough to know what he is really up against there.

SFW wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 10:56 You should read dude. Never said he was lying, said he easily could. You decide on your own what to believe and how significant or in this case insignificant it truly is. The whole point is, these meaningless conversations for show don't constitute anything. They are evidence that a few people met, nothing more. No real change happened, hence it was not anything close to what you seem to think it was.

SFW wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 09:27 It's pretty sad the only real excuse people are coming up with is Wilder made no offer. Is everyone blind? AJ and Hearn hold all the cards, all of them. An offer from Wilder means absolutely nothing. Not even the paper it could be written on. Hearn can do or say anything too, the sheep just buy it regardless.

Another excuse is Wilder hasn't fought anybody. Yet your heroes Kell Brook and Ricky Hatton had not fought poo before they went on to prove their past competition meant nothing compared to what their capable of. Just like what Wilder can do. When it's your guy, the rules are different lol.

There is and always has been concern from the AJ side, because we've all seen him hurt, seen him gas out and look done. And they know Wilder is too dumb to care about all of the bullshit outside the ring he's a killer inside the ring. He's fast and powerful, more THAN ANY OF AJ's previous opponents simply a fact, had to use that line y'all use against Deontay constantly. Old Klitschko who had him out is laughably less dangerous sorry please check what year we all live in. If Klitschko came at Wilder like that, he's knocked out. Not handed a bullshit stoppage after barely surviving. Actually knocked out. This fight, when Joshua takes it since his word is the only thing that even kinda matters, is not gonna play out the way the fanboys here think it is.