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Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 17:45**

70-80 is the right deal.

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 17:50**

At least 70%, maybe 80%

Whyte doesn't really bring much into this contest except for apparently being the gatekeeper for Wilder to knock down in order to get a Joshua fight.

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 18:15**

Ossyrules wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 17:34
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 16:51
lillywhite14 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 05:13

You’ve got plenty of casuals in the UK who think Whyte is the second best heavyweight in the world. Wilder crushing him would make them take notice for sure
If Whyte is such a big deal in the UK why not just book the rematch?
Whytes already been emphatically put away by Joshua, dont think that one needs doing again!

He’s also ranked in the wbc, the path leading to wilder

Wilder vs Whyte is a win win for Joshua really. He either gets an opponent who has built the fight more, or he’s getting a grudge match rematch

Hearn definitely wants to run that back. His whole dream is for Whyte to beat Wilder. Surely you can see that?

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 18:32**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 16:51
lillywhite14 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 05:13
candyslim wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 03:41 I don't get it. Why are we talking percentages for this? The offer to Wilder was $3m + whatever he can get for US TV rights. I heard this may increase to $4m (+ whatev ....) What Hearn has offered to Whyte I don't know nor much care.

This is a fight that makes very good sense. If Wilder is half as good as he thinks he is, he will dispatch Whyte, collect a bumper pay-cheque and get UK casuals to sit up and take notice (Who was that masked man?).

I know US fans rate Whyte no better than some of Wilder's previous opponents. Even if they are proved right so what, he isn't any worse and since when has Wilder rejected an opponent based on their not passing 'quality control'?

Take the fight Deontay - it's money for jam ... or is it?
You’ve got plenty of casuals in the UK who think Whyte is the second best heavyweight in the world. Wilder crushing him would make them take notice for sure
If Whyte is such a big deal in the UK why not just book the rematch?

Because Whyte wants his own belt to bring to the party. The UK casuals love Joshua and have respect and affection for Whyte because he comes to fight and will take on anyone if the price is right. He gave Joshua his hardest fight up until Klitschko despite being known to be carrying a shoulder injury going into the fight.

A rematch now would do very well financially but they both know that a unification between them would be absolutely immense, and would put Whyte in a way better bargaining position. Of course Deontay or even Joe Parker may have something to say about that, but Dillian is on record as saying he wants Wilder (or Parker) before he fights Joshua again.

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 18:34**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 18:15
Ossyrules wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 17:34
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 16:51
If Whyte is such a big deal in the UK why not just book the rematch?
Whytes already been emphatically put away by Joshua, dont think that one needs doing again!

He’s also ranked in the wbc, the path leading to wilder

Wilder vs Whyte is a win win for Joshua really. He either gets an opponent who has built the fight more, or he’s getting a grudge match rematch
Hearn definitely wants to run that back. His whole dream is for Whyte to beat Wilder. Surely you can see that?

Hearn has craved the Joshua wilder fight since Joshua beat Charles Martin. He picked up Whyte later in his career though. He probably would love Whyte to beat wilder, not so much to protect Joshua, but cos he’d be promoting both guys in a world title unification bout. It’s be pretty big for him

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 18:40**

Ossyrules wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 18:34
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 18:15
Ossyrules wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 17:34

Whytes already been emphatically put away by Joshua, dont think that one needs doing again!

He’s also ranked in the wbc, the path leading to wilder

Wilder vs Whyte is a win win for Joshua really. He either gets an opponent who has built the fight more, or he’s getting a grudge match rematch
Hearn definitely wants to run that back. His whole dream is for Whyte to beat Wilder. Surely you can see that?
Hearn has craved the Joshua wilder fight since Joshua beat Charles Martin. He picked up Whyte later in his career though. He probably would love Whyte to beat wilder, not so much to protect Joshua, but cos he’d be promoting both guys in a world title unification bout. It’s be pretty big for him

It's all about having all the chips. That's what he wants. As a promoter he should, that doesn't mean Wilder has to let him. The fact is Wilder isn't worth anymore money than any other Joshua fight. Maybe less when you factor in paying him more and he's easily the biggest risk. It's good promoting, that doesn't mean you only should see his side. Any news from their meal today?

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 18:56**

Finkel said the meeting with hearn went well.

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 19:03**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 18:40
Ossyrules wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 18:34
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 18:15

Hearn definitely wants to run that back. His whole dream is for Whyte to beat Wilder. Surely you can see that?
Hearn has craved the Joshua wilder fight since Joshua beat Charles Martin. He picked up Whyte later in his career though. He probably would love Whyte to beat wilder, not so much to protect Joshua, but cos he’d be promoting both guys in a world title unification bout. It’s be pretty big for him
It's all about having all the chips. That's what he wants. As a promoter he should, that doesn't mean Wilder has to let him. The fact is Wilder isn't worth anymore money than any other Joshua fight. Maybe less when you factor in paying him more and he's easily the biggest risk. It's good promoting, that doesn't mean you only should see his side. Any news from their meal today?

Not that I’ve caught up with from today really. Read an article that suggests the target is 3 Joshua fights next year, March-July-December and the aim is to unify by the end of it.

Talks are open with Parker’s team, so they might be in pole for the first date. The summer date I think would then be wilder. More stadiums available here in the summer, though I understand Wilders team want it in America.
Not sure really who else is in the frame. WBA mandatory I guess.

The rest of the stuff is mainly big baby and Danny Jacobs

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 19:12**

I don't think Wilder cares where it is. He just desperately wants the fight and a big paycheck.

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 19:32**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 19:12 I don't think Wilder cares where it is. He just desperately wants the fight and a big paycheck.

I’ve just done a bit of reading about there meeting and it’s fairly ambiguous but generally positive and optimistic. Again suggesting the summer might be the biggest date for this fight.

Seems both parties want it, and whilst I never say never in boxing, I’m pretty certain this fight happens next year

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 20:10**

Ossyrules wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 19:32
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 19:12 I don't think Wilder cares where it is. He just desperately wants the fight and a big paycheck.
I’ve just done a bit of reading about there meeting and it’s fairly ambiguous but generally positive and optimistic. Again suggesting the summer might be the biggest date for this fight.

Seems both parties want it, and whilst I never say never in boxing, I’m pretty certain this fight happens next year

I agree I figure late fall.
Wilder will have 2 fights in that time at least one on British soil

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 20:19**

I don't think Whyte does anything for him. I'd have a fight here in March and wait until Joshua. Unless Eddie's big carrot doesn't come with options.

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 22:27**

I read the B & I forum all the time, it's easily the best discussion on the board. I'm actually surprised that everyone agrees that Whyte/Chisora 2 is not a big seller. If that's the case, and Wilder has no name there, how is Wilder/Whyte such big business? It can't just be the belt, we all saw what Parker/Fury generated. So doesn't it make sense that everything isn't just what Eddie says?

Building Wilder's profile in the UK just entitles him to a bigger slice of the pie. The PPV's aren't expensive so pushing that slightly past a normal Joshua fight isn't going to increase the pot by a vast figure. The only way to do that is to increase both of their profiles here. I don't know if that can be done without waiting a long time.

Posted: **09 Nov 2017, 22:52**

What shyte options listed in this poll.

Wilder would deserve 90% of the purse against Whyte, but 80% is also realistically fair.

Whyte is not a money maker, he's not interesting; he literally brings nothing to the table aside from a glossy padded record. His entire career (much like his terribly overrated compatriot Del Boy) is hinged off one moment; a single punch landed on AJ before he ended up getting slept. Wilder would chew him up and spit him out.

I want to see Wilder tested; on paper this would be a slight step up given his dreadful resume, but make no bones Wilder would/will CRUSH Whyte in two or three rounds.

Posted: **10 Nov 2017, 03:40**

punchoutsb wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 22:52 What shyte options listed in this poll.

Wilder would deserve 90% of the purse against Whyte, but 80% is also realistically fair.

Whyte is not a money maker... he literally brings nothing to the table...

Eddie Hearn offered Deontay Wilder a package that equated to $4m ($3m guarantee plus $1m US TV) to face Dillian Whyte, which was rejected due to the American demanding at least $7m.

The terms of this offer was corroborated by both sides of the negotiating table.

Deontay Wilder's career-high purse is $1.5m and he only earned $1.4m for the Stiverne rematch.

Posted: **10 Nov 2017, 14:28**

I think Wilder needs the paycheck before Povetkin wins in court anyway, because if Wilder get's the fight after, the money he might get will go directly to Povetkin.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 00:30**

asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 21:22 As we all know, Whyte offered him a record payday which was over twice as much as Wilder ever made with any fight. Somehow Wilder ducked him, like he always ducks everyone with a heartbeat. But let's imagine Wilder would have dared to show up for a reasonable amount of cash? How much does he deserve? 10%? Or even more?

You previously said Whyte was a "coward" for ducking Mansour

Now Wilder is ducking the ducker in your ignorant opinion.

Considering you've never been to a boxing match, let alone a gym, you do like calling fighters cowards

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 00:37**

Taansend wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 00:30
asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 21:22 As we all know, Whyte offered him a record payday which was over twice as much as Wilder ever made with any fight. Somehow Wilder ducked him, like he always ducks everyone with a heartbeat. But let's imagine Wilder would have dared to show up for a reasonable amount of cash? How much does he deserve? 10%? Or even more?
You previously said Whyte was a "coward" for ducking Mansour

Now Wilder is ducking the ducker in your ignorant opinion.

Considering you've never been to a boxing match, let alone a gym, you do like calling fighters cowards

LOL, considering this is a guy talking about Wilder paying Povetkin when Wilder already won the court case that comes as no surprise.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 00:42**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 00:37
Taansend wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 00:30
asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 21:22 As we all know, Whyte offered him a record payday which was over twice as much as Wilder ever made with any fight. Somehow Wilder ducked him, like he always ducks everyone with a heartbeat. But let's imagine Wilder would have dared to show up for a reasonable amount of cash? How much does he deserve? 10%? Or even more?
You previously said Whyte was a "coward" for ducking Mansour

Now Wilder is ducking the ducker in your ignorant opinion.

Considering you've never been to a boxing match, let alone a gym, you do like calling fighters cowards
LOL, considering this is a guy talking about Wilder paying Povetkin when Wilder already won the court case that comes as no surprise.

Bizarre. He pretends to like boxing just to get ridiculed on here

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 00:51**

Taansend wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 00:42
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 00:37
Taansend wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 00:30

You previously said Whyte was a "coward" for ducking Mansour

Now Wilder is ducking the ducker in your ignorant opinion.

Considering you've never been to a boxing match, let alone a gym, you do like calling fighters cowards
LOL, considering this is a guy talking about Wilder paying Povetkin when Wilder already won the court case that comes as no surprise.
Bizarre. He pretends to like boxing just to get ridiculed on here

I didn't know he claimed to love Boxing. Even small Heavyweights are called dwarfs. The fucked up thing is that even following only one division he knows absolute dick.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 00:58**

Ossyrules wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 04:41
Evander wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 03:44 Most U.S fans don't know who Whyte is , that's just a fact.
Don't get me wrong if I could sell Whyte legitimately I would but most people don't know him.
Yes we do but most don't.
Most US fans don’t know who wilder is, which is why the bout only makes sense in England, to build profile and earn money doing it.

People on here can write off Whyte, but he would be at least a ranked opponent on Wilders record. I was looking over Wilders record last night, and the rankings of his opponents is absolutely woeful. At least give Whyte that much

Deontay is 39-0 with 38 of them blasted out by KO.
Wilder doesn't have to go to England and risk a decision going against him if he doesn't want to, he holds all the cards.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 05:18**

Evander wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 00:58
Ossyrules wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 04:41
Evander wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 03:44 Most U.S fans don't know who Whyte is , that's just a fact.
Don't get me wrong if I could sell Whyte legitimately I would but most people don't know him.
Yes we do but most don't.
Most US fans don’t know who wilder is, which is why the bout only makes sense in England, to build profile and earn money doing it.

People on here can write off Whyte, but he would be at least a ranked opponent on Wilders record. I was looking over Wilders record last night, and the rankings of his opponents is absolutely woeful. At least give Whyte that much
Deontay is 39-0 with 38 of them blasted out by KO.
Wilder doesn't have to go to England and risk a decision going against him if he doesn't want to, he holds all the cards.

What does 39-0 mean if there is only 1 ranked guy in there. Is that what some of you American fans have come too? Looking at hollow numbers and padded records?

Wilder doesn’t have to go anywhere if he doesn’t want too. If he wants a pay day he comes to England simple.

America isn’t the Mecca it once was for boxing. Things change

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 05:21**

wilder is 39-0 (38) and makes 1m usd per fight. thats his financials in the us. its about ultimately about money not records

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 05:45**

Taansend wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 00:30
asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 21:22 As we all know, Whyte offered him a record payday which was over twice as much as Wilder ever made with any fight. Somehow Wilder ducked him, like he always ducks everyone with a heartbeat. But let's imagine Wilder would have dared to show up for a reasonable amount of cash? How much does he deserve? 10%? Or even more?
You previously said Whyte was a "coward" for ducking Mansour
Now Wilder is ducking the ducker in your ignorant opinion.
Considering you've never been to a boxing match, let alone a gym, you do like calling fighters cowards

You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Wilder chickened out of the Whyte fight, partly because his lab was suspended, so he couldn't sign anything, partly because Wilder is a coward that thinks he deserves more money. Because of that, Whyte got a perfect option to fight someone good and note that Mansour actually offered this fight a long time before that as well, when he hasn't aged that much. If Whyte then preferes to select a bum and make a lot less money, then yes, I see that as a kind of ducking. Wilder and the English guy from Jamaica are probably the biggest duckers in the whole heavyweight division indeed.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 06:24**

A simple truth Oz but one which seems extremely tricky to grasp for some on here.

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