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Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 10:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 08:59

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑15 Nov 2017, 15:54

greater career too.

Bullshit.

'triggered' as the kids nowadays would say

Delahoya was not a great boxer. He flunked in the biggest fights of his career, starting with the Felix "Tito" Trinidad fight. He could not fight inside like The Cincinnati Hawk, and looked robotic most of the time.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:25

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 10:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 08:59

Bullshit.

'triggered' as the kids nowadays would say

Delahoya was not a great boxer. He flunked in the biggest fights of his career, starting with the Felix "Tito" Trinidad fight. He could not fight inside like The Cincinnati Hawk, and looked robotic most of the time.

The great Oscar De La Hoya had a BETTER JAB than Pryor did, and he had BETTER DEFENCE too. He had BETTER FUNDAMENTALS than the great Aaron Pryor, there's NO ARGUMENT with any of these things, NONE! The great Oscar De la Hoya didn't EAT punches the way the HUNGRY HAWK Pryor did.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:33

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:25

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 10:00

'triggered' as the kids nowadays would say

Delahoya was not a great boxer. He flunked in the biggest fights of his career, starting with the Felix "Tito" Trinidad fight. He could not fight inside like The Cincinnati Hawk, and looked robotic most of the time.

The great Oscar De La Hoya had a BETTER JAB than Pryor did, and he had BETTER DEFENCE too. He had BETTER FUNDAMENTALS than the great Aaron Pryor, there's NO ARGUMENT with any of these things, NONE! The great Oscar De la Hoya didn't EAT punches the way the HUNGRY HAWK Pryor did.

Better jab and better fundamentals? Are you kidding me? De La Hoya ate so many punches it wasn't even funny. Even when he was in a defensive posture he got hit, and often. He looked ROBOTIC, had no stamina at later rounds, and never had the heart, will and determination that The Cincinnati Hawk possessed. You are super underrating Pryor's skills and overrating Delahoya's.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:43

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:33

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:25

Delahoya was not a great boxer. He flunked in the biggest fights of his career, starting with the Felix "Tito" Trinidad fight. He could not fight inside like The Cincinnati Hawk, and looked robotic most of the time.

The great Oscar De La Hoya had a BETTER JAB than Pryor did, and he had BETTER DEFENCE too. He had BETTER FUNDAMENTALS than the great Aaron Pryor, there's NO ARGUMENT with any of these things, NONE! The great Oscar De la Hoya didn't EAT punches the way the HUNGRY HAWK Pryor did.

Better jab and better fundamentals? Are you kidding me? De La Hoya ate so many punches it wasn't even funny. Even when he was in a defensive posture he got hit, and often. He looked ROBOTIC, had no stamina at later rounds, and never had the heart, will and determination that The Cincinnati Hawk possessed. You are super underrating Pryor's skills and overrating Delahoya's.

you can talk to me all you like about heart and will and determination, when it comes to being a GREAT BOXER that's all just BALONEY, you're saying the great Oscar de La Hoya ate MORE punches than the great Aaron Pryor, well that stuff DOESN'T PLAY around here so SAVE IT FOR THE BIRDS, MISTER!

also the great Aaron's Pryor's career was a SHORT CAREER, he did not have the longevity of the great Oscar De La Hoya. it was basically GAME OVER for Pryor after he beat the great Alexis Arguello, after that he just saw BUMS, as a fighter Pryor was on SKID ROW too early

Chippo wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:55

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑15 Nov 2017, 16:12

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑15 Nov 2017, 15:56
I've only watched Castillo/corrales twice. Can't stand the scewjob, I've watched the rematch at least 6 or 7 times.

Lol, I pretend the screw job never happened.
As soon as Chico gets up from the KD I'm just focussing on his counter left hook and gaying out over it. I was never hugely a fan of either man so having no dog in the fight can help sometimes.

Sorry, what screw job? I'm missing something here.

Chico and the mouthpiece

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:56 also the great Aaron's Pryor's career was a SHORT CAREER, he did not have the longevity of the great Oscar De La Hoya. it was basically GAME OVER for Pryor after he beat the great Alexis Arguello, after that he just saw BUMS, as a fighter Pryor was on SKID ROW too early

Both had the same amount of fights.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 14:54

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:56 also the great Aaron's Pryor's career was a SHORT CAREER, he did not have the longevity of the great Oscar De La Hoya. it was basically GAME OVER for Pryor after he beat the great Alexis Arguello, after that he just saw BUMS, as a fighter Pryor was on SKID ROW too early

Both had the same amount of fights.

The great Oscar De La Hoya had MANY MORE world championship fights than the great Aaron Pryor, there's NO ARGUMENT there so just back up buddy cos I ain't buying your flim-flam

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 18:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 14:54

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:56 also the great Aaron's Pryor's career was a SHORT CAREER, he did not have the longevity of the great Oscar De La Hoya. it was basically GAME OVER for Pryor after he beat the great Alexis Arguello, after that he just saw BUMS, as a fighter Pryor was on SKID ROW too early

Both had the same amount of fights.

The great Oscar De La Hoya had MANY MORE world championship fights than the great Aaron Pryor, there's NO ARGUMENT there so just back up buddy cos I ain't buying your flim-flam

All these championship fights are totally proliferated and the talent pool is way watered down. Four champions per division since the 1990s. Anybody could be champion now taking the EASY ROUTE. There are right now two Japanese fighter's that have won 3 titles in 3 different weight classes. How is that? Nobody know them. Aaron Pryor beat the great Alexis Arguello in an extraordinary performance. A performance that Oscar dreams of.

The great Oscar De La Hoya fought many VERY GOOD fighters over a LONGER CAREER than the great Aaron Pryor managed at the top level. Genaro Hernandez was NO JOKE buddy, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was a GOOD fighter and he was better than all but ONE of Pryors victims, Trinidad, Moseley, Vargas, the great Pernell whitaker, de la Hoya fought about EIGHT fighters better than Pryors second best win. You're OUT OF LINE here, mister!

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 19:05 The great Oscar De La Hoya fought many VERY GOOD fighters over a LONGER CAREER than the great Aaron Pryor managed at the top level. Genaro Hernandez was NO JOKE buddy, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was a GOOD fighter and he was better than all but ONE of Pryors victims, Trinidad, Moseley, Vargas, the great Pernell whitaker, de la Hoya fought about EIGHT fighters better than Pryors second best win. You're OUT OF LINE here, mister!

Out of the line? None of those fighter's were better than the great Alexis Arguello. Oscar did not beat the great Pernell Whitaker. They gave him the fight. Plus, Sweet Pea had drug problems then. He beat a washed up Julio Cesar Chavez.

Miguel Angel Gonzalez was a joke.
Fernando Vargas? Please!

The 4 biggest fights of Oscar De La Hoya's career, he lost them:

L15 Felix "Tito" Trinidad: A fight that was called The Fight of the Millennium. For all that hoopla and buzz, none of the two deserved to be called great fighters. All that adulation that their fans had about them then, were not what they thought they were. Both FLUNKED BIG TIME in a fight of that magnitude.

L12 Shane Mosley: Mosley, a lightweight and smaller boxer, beat him. Well, we could all say that Oscar is a lightweight, too. But Oscar had years fighting at the weight class. He was even champion without earning the title back.

L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr: Pretty Boy Floyd schooled him. De La Hoya, the bigger man and in his weight class, lost to PBF when he shouldn't have.

LTKO9 Bernard Hopkins: What a joke of a fight. Oscar running all night and all of the sudden, he goes down with a body shot that wasn't a hard telling blow? Please!

Oscar DeLaHoya is not a great fighter. He was a pay per view superstar and that was it.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 10:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 08:59

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑15 Nov 2017, 15:54

greater career too.

Bullshit.

'triggered' as the kids nowadays would say

He's a simple guy. He's actually an Oscar fan.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:33

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:25

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 10:00

'triggered' as the kids nowadays would say

Delahoya was not a great boxer. He flunked in the biggest fights of his career, starting with the Felix "Tito" Trinidad fight. He could not fight inside like The Cincinnati Hawk, and looked robotic most of the time.

The great Oscar De La Hoya had a BETTER JAB than Pryor did, and he had BETTER DEFENCE too. He had BETTER FUNDAMENTALS than the great Aaron Pryor, there's NO ARGUMENT with any of these things, NONE! The great Oscar De la Hoya didn't EAT punches the way the HUNGRY HAWK Pryor did.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 18:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 14:54

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:56 also the great Aaron's Pryor's career was a SHORT CAREER, he did not have the longevity of the great Oscar De La Hoya. it was basically GAME OVER for Pryor after he beat the great Alexis Arguello, after that he just saw BUMS, as a fighter Pryor was on SKID ROW too early

Both had the same amount of fights.

The great Oscar De La Hoya had MANY MORE world championship fights than the great Aaron Pryor, there's NO ARGUMENT there so just back up buddy cos I ain't buying your flim-flam

this is fantastic.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 23:21

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 18:00

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 14:54

Both had the same amount of fights.

The great Oscar De La Hoya had MANY MORE world championship fights than the great Aaron Pryor, there's NO ARGUMENT there so just back up buddy cos I ain't buying your flim-flam

this is fantastic.

Yeah, fantastic baloney. How about that?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 21:46

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 19:05 The great Oscar De La Hoya fought many VERY GOOD fighters over a LONGER CAREER than the great Aaron Pryor managed at the top level. Genaro Hernandez was NO JOKE buddy, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was a GOOD fighter and he was better than all but ONE of Pryors victims, Trinidad, Moseley, Vargas, the great Pernell whitaker, de la Hoya fought about EIGHT fighters better than Pryors second best win. You're OUT OF LINE here, mister!

Out of the line? None of those fighter's were better than the great Alexis Arguello. Oscar did not beat the great Pernell Whitaker. They gave him the fight. Plus, Sweet Pea had drug problems then. He beat a washed up Julio Cesar Chavez.

Miguel Angel Gonzalez was a joke.
Fernando Vargas? Please!

The 4 biggest fights of Oscar De La Hoya's career, he lost them:

L15 Felix "Tito" Trinidad: A fight that was called The Fight of the Millennium. For all that hoopla and buzz, none of the two deserved to be called great fighters. All that adulation that their fans had about them then, were not what they thought they were. Both FLUNKED BIG TIME in a fight of that magnitude.

L12 Shane Mosley: Mosley, a lightweight and smaller boxer, beat him. Well, we could all say that Oscar is a lightweight, too. But Oscar had years fighting at the weight class. He was even champion without earning the title back.

L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr: Pretty Boy Floyd schooled him. De La Hoya, the bigger man and in his weight class, lost to PBF when he shouldn't have.

yeah, well, you know where the great Aaron pryor was, at an equivalent point in his life to the de la Hoya Mayweather fight?

HE WAS ON THE CRACK PIPE BUDDY! He was in some disused house passed out on a floor

Gonzalez was NO JOKE, he was a darne site better than BOBBY JOE YOUNG i tell you that much, mister!

the fighters the great De La Hoya beat don't have to be better than Arguello, pendejo, they just have to be better than the BLIND MICE, BUMS AND STREET DRUNKS that Pryor mostly beat#

you want to compare Shane Moseley to Dujuan Johnson, mister? DO YOU?

save your jibber jabber for the BIRDS, elmo, you're OUT OF LINE here!

Chippo wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 13:27

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:56

Chippo wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 11:55

Sorry, what screw job? I'm missing something here.

Chico and the mouthpiece

It wasn't THAT bad was it?

It was brutal

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 Nov 2017, 03:08

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 23:21

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 18:00

The great Oscar De La Hoya had MANY MORE world championship fights than the great Aaron Pryor, there's NO ARGUMENT there so just back up buddy cos I ain't buying your flim-flam

this is fantastic.

Yeah, fantastic baloney. How about that?

I think it's called the bologna meets the pig. Either way, welcome to talking to you, though Oscar does have a better resume than Pryor anyway.

You have to look at the whole picture. Pryor never released a GRAMMY nominated CD. He's not int he same class as the GREAT GOLDEN BOY. No way Elmo,

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑17 Nov 2017, 08:26

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 Nov 2017, 03:08

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 23:21

this is fantastic.

Yeah, fantastic baloney. How about that?

I think it's called the bologna meets the pig. Either way, welcome to talking to you, though Oscar does have a better resume than Pryor anyway.

Pryor was the greater fighter, by far. Better boxing skills, and beat one of the greatest champions in history, convincingly. Having more titles doesn't mean you're the better boxer. If that is the case, why Oscar De La Hoya wasn't better than the great Sam Langford, Carlos Monzon, Jose "Mantequilla" Naples, Marvin Hagler or Jimmy Wilde? They only win one title. How come NOBODY rate him over them? Explain.

Jaywheel wrote: ↑17 Nov 2017, 12:30 You have to look at the whole picture. Pryor never released a GRAMMY nominated CD. He's not int he same class as the GREAT GOLDEN BOY. No way Elmo,

He better should have try singing. Pryor was a better cocaine snorter. How about that?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 Nov 2017, 13:02 . If that is the case, why Oscar De La Hoya wasn't better than the great Sam Langford, Carlos Monzon, Jose "Mantequilla" Naples, Marvin Hagler or Jimmy Wilde? The

the great Oscar de la Hoya WASN'T BETTER than any of these fighters, but CHEW ON THIS for a second ese, NEITHER was Aaron Pryor!

you've had your at-bat in this ballgame sonny, I think you should be EJECTED, you're OUTTA HERE!!!

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑17 Nov 2017, 05:08

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 21:46

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 19:05 The great Oscar De La Hoya fought many VERY GOOD fighters over a LONGER CAREER than the great Aaron Pryor managed at the top level. Genaro Hernandez was NO JOKE buddy, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was a GOOD fighter and he was better than all but ONE of Pryors victims, Trinidad, Moseley, Vargas, the great Pernell whitaker, de la Hoya fought about EIGHT fighters better than Pryors second best win. You're OUT OF LINE here, mister!

Out of the line? None of those fighter's were better than the great Alexis Arguello. Oscar did not beat the great Pernell Whitaker. They gave him the fight. Plus, Sweet Pea had drug problems then. He beat a washed up Julio Cesar Chavez.

Miguel Angel Gonzalez was a joke.
Fernando Vargas? Please!

The 4 biggest fights of Oscar De La Hoya's career, he lost them:

L15 Felix "Tito" Trinidad: A fight that was called The Fight of the Millennium. For all that hoopla and buzz, none of the two deserved to be called great fighters. All that adulation that their fans had about them then, were not what they thought they were. Both FLUNKED BIG TIME in a fight of that magnitude.

L12 Shane Mosley: Mosley, a lightweight and smaller boxer, beat him. Well, we could all say that Oscar is a lightweight, too. But Oscar had years fighting at the weight class. He was even champion without earning the title back.

L12 Floyd Mayweather, Jr: Pretty Boy Floyd schooled him. De La Hoya, the bigger man and in his weight class, lost to PBF when he shouldn't have.

yeah, well, you know where the great Aaron pryor was, at an equivalent point in his life to the de la Hoya Mayweather fight?

HE WAS ON THE CRACK PIPE BUDDY! He was in some disused house passed out on a floor

Gonzalez was NO JOKE, he was a darne site better than BOBBY JOE YOUNG i tell you that much, mister!

the fighters the great De La Hoya beat don't have to be better than Arguello, pendejo, they just have to be better than the BLIND MICE, BUMS AND STREET DRUNKS that Pryor mostly beat#

you want to compare Shane Moseley to Dujuan Johnson, mister? DO YOU?

save your jibber jabber for the BIRDS, elmo, you're OUT OF LINE here!

De La Hoya never beat a great fighter convincingly. Pryor at least beat The Explosive Thin Man in a brutal warfare that he had to dig deep to win. And he did it convincingly, establishing him as one of the 100 pound per pound all time greats of the 20th century.

In contrast, Oscar FLUNKED in 4 of the biggest fights of his career. If he would have won at least the Tito Trinidad fight, then, we could have rate him on top of Pryor. It wasn't so. He didn't close the show like a true great boxer should have, and it cost him. Don't confuse more titles as a measuring stick of greatness. You can fight a whole lot of great boxers in your prime. But, if you don't beat at least one of them in one of the biggest fights of your life, you ain't no great boxer.

Plus, look at the whole picture. Oscar just had 40 fights. At least the great Sugar Ray Leonard with 40 fights had better wins. That's why he is an all time great. Not a top 10 great fighter, but at least a top 20, 25 or 30 ATG where you want to put him. De La Hoya was not so. He FLUNKED BIG TIME!

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑17 Nov 2017, 13:11

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 Nov 2017, 13:02 . If that is the case, why Oscar De La Hoya wasn't better than the great Sam Langford, Carlos Monzon, Jose "Mantequilla" Naples, Marvin Hagler or Jimmy Wilde? The

the great Oscar de la Hoya WASN'T BETTER than any of these fighters, but CHEW ON THIS for a second ese, NEITHER was Aaron Pryor!

you've had your at-bat in this ballgame sonny, I think you should be EJECTED, you're OUTTA HERE!!!

I have never said that The Cincinnati Hawk was better than those boxing giants. Now, you are getting the whole picture, my friend.

Pryor beat the hell out of Arguello.