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dirk2686 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 05:57 For me Froch retiring when DeGale was number one contender was slightly different to Calzaghe. Froch went out by knocking out a guy in a fight everyone wanted and that guy had beaten DeGale. Calzaghe beat a shot Roy Jones in a horrible fight that nobody wanted.

Thing is, instead of the Jones fight, the one that got away for Joe wasn't Froch; it was Kelly Pavlik. He was seen as an absolute monster at the time; battered Miranda, stopped Taylor, beat him in a rematch after moving up in weight. Joe really could have ended up getting the credit that went to Hopkins.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 06:02

dirk2686 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 05:57 For me Froch retiring when DeGale was number one contender was slightly different to Calzaghe. Froch went out by knocking out a guy in a fight everyone wanted and that guy had beaten DeGale. Calzaghe beat a shot Roy Jones in a horrible fight that nobody wanted.

Thing is, instead of the Jones fight, the one that got away for Joe wasn't Froch; it was Kelly Pavlik. He was seen as an absolute monster at the time; battered Miranda, stopped Taylor, beat him in a rematch after moving up in weight. Joe really could have ended up getting the credit that went to Hopkins.

I agree with you but the fight pavlik got instead was Hopkins, and I think in retrospect we probably didn’t miss out on anything too bad

dirk2686 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 06:06

Ossyrules wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 06:02

dirk2686 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 05:57 For me Froch retiring when DeGale was number one contender was slightly different to Calzaghe. Froch went out by knocking out a guy in a fight everyone wanted and that guy had beaten DeGale. Calzaghe beat a shot Roy Jones in a horrible fight that nobody wanted.

Thing is, instead of the Jones fight, the one that got away for Joe wasn't Froch; it was Kelly Pavlik. He was seen as an absolute monster at the time; battered Miranda, stopped Taylor, beat him in a rematch after moving up in weight. Joe really could have ended up getting the credit that went to Hopkins.

I agree with you but the fight pavlik got instead was Hopkins, and I think in retrospect we probably didn’t miss out on anything too bad

I know but I think it would have added some badly needed credibility to Calzaghe's record.

He spent a career fighting for recognition and being fed on a diet of horrible WBO defences against nobodies. Finally got the breakout fight against Lacy, and little did we know he only had five fights left, three of which (Bika, Manfredo and Jones) were awful.

Pavlik was a serious name at the time. Would have been so much better than Jones. I remember at the time people saying in time all we'll remember is Joe beat Roy Jones Jnr; it's not happened. Everyone still knows it was a shadow of Roy.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 05:34

thechump wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 03:11 Mayweather vs margarito at 147

Mayweather vs paul williams at 147

De la hoya vs tyszu at 140

Nigel benn vs james toney at 168

Eubank vs jones jnr at 168

There was talk of naz vs mayweather at 135

And hatton vs witter at 140

Good lost except I do t remember naz ca Mayweather st lightweight? Naz was super bantam turned feather, and his frame was pretty small

Datsue wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 05:56 I'll add one of those fights that were blindingly obvious but endlessly deferred in a "We need to build it up" way:

Juan Manuel Lopez vs Yuri Gamboa.

I mean, JML kept being exposed as an enormo weight-drainery one-dimensional dude who got flattered by his marketing & Gamboa kept getting floored by nobodies before drifting off in a haze of boredom, but for like a year it was the best trade fight in the sport & if a little less greed were involved could've perhaps led to some sort of trilogy.

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 06:54

Datsue wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 05:56 I'll add one of those fights that were blindingly obvious but endlessly deferred in a "We need to build it up" way:

Juan Manuel Lopez vs Yuri Gamboa.

I mean, JML kept being exposed as an enormo weight-drainery one-dimensional dude who got flattered by his marketing & Gamboa kept getting floored by nobodies before drifting off in a haze of boredom, but for like a year it was the best trade fight in the sport & if a little less greed were involved could've perhaps led to some sort of trilogy.

Beat me to it.
This was the biggest fight in boxing for a period.

Still can’t believe it didn’t happen. Same promotional outfit, same TV network and fought on same shows.

Even Setanta where building the fight in this country.

Neither fighter achieved anywhere near the notoriety they would of if this fight happened.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 05:38

Bigdogsnose wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 03:27 Domestic

Hatton v witter.

The whole middleweight scene of a few year back... Barker, Murray, macklin ... criminal they never fought each other.

Prime herbie hide v Frank Bruno (think there heavyweight careers just over lapped)

Add Khan v brook in a few years when they both retired

International

Kovalev v Stevenson

Hopkins v toney - maybe 93/94 between jones beating them

I don’t think Hopkins vs Toney was ever truly on short of Hopkins jumping a weight class or 2. Not while Toney was around his prime anyway

littlepug wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 06:28 Benn v Duran/Leonard was being talked about but then Benn fought Barkley and it all went quiet

stujones wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 12:42 Yes, Ricky had some asbsolute classics he could have been in. Gatti would have been one, wasn't he close to fighting Shamba Mitchell at one stage.

Hatton vs Cotto at 140 - never really close to happening, but both the same age and touted as the two best prospects at the same time. Such a shame that didn't happen.

Spud wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 12:49 The one that really grips me was Fury v Haye.

To be involved in the team & to have a big fight snatched away because of genuine injuries is a ****.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 12:53

stujones wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 12:42 Yes, Ricky had some asbsolute classics he could have been in. Gatti would have been one, wasn't he close to fighting Shamba Mitchell at one stage.

Hatton vs Cotto at 140 - never really close to happening, but both the same age and touted as the two best prospects at the same time. Such a shame that didn't happen.

I adore Gatti, but I honestly figure Hatton would've been too strong for him, but it still might've been competitive in say 2003 or 2004.

Hatton vs Cotto would've been awesome. In almost 20 years I've NEVER seen Cotto in a bad fight, and it's damn hard to imagine a fight with Hatton as anything other than a barnburner!

Ossyrules wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 13:03

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 12:53

stujones wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 12:42 Yes, Ricky had some asbsolute classics he could have been in. Gatti would have been one, wasn't he close to fighting Shamba Mitchell at one stage.

Hatton vs Cotto at 140 - never really close to happening, but both the same age and touted as the two best prospects at the same time. Such a shame that didn't happen.

I adore Gatti, but I honestly figure Hatton would've been too strong for him, but it still might've been competitive in say 2003 or 2004.

Hatton vs Cotto would've been awesome. In almost 20 years I've NEVER seen Cotto in a bad fight, and it's damn hard to imagine a fight with Hatton as anything other than a barnburner!

I think Hatton would have battered gatti

Hatton vs cotto would have been quality and at 140 Hatton had a good chance. At 147 cotto gives Hatton a hard time

Noxy wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 09:39 Richard Williams vs Steve Roberts

dave_smith wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 15:50

Noxy wrote: ↑16 Nov 2017, 09:39 Richard Williams vs Steve Roberts

Good shout. There was a few fighters at that weight that could have led to some decent scraps. Williams, Roberts, Tak, Hare and a think a couple more.

Always likes Roberts then he got pasted by that Russian I think and went off and bought a B&B in Scotland I think.