BoxRec

Taansend wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 16:53

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 16:21

Taansend wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 16:07

What about his heroics during the Galveston Hurricane in 1900?

What about them?

So you admit he's a hero then

He was an asshole.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 18:09

Taansend wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 16:53

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 16:21
What about them?

So you admit he's a hero then

He was an asshole.

An amazing heroic arsehole

Taansend wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 19:39

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 18:09

Taansend wrote: ↑28 Nov 2017, 16:53

So you admit he's a hero then

He was an asshole.

An amazing heroic arsehole

Kalan wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 23:21 The Willard KO loss was an obvious fraud as newspaper accounts from the day after clearly say nobody saw a KO punch land and the KO seemed doubtful.

?

Right... Nobody heard or saw the KO punch connect -- and there exists no still photo or video of it connecting. Newspaper accounts said the KO was "doubtful" and "Almost certainly no KO punch landed." ... Also lending doubt was how gently Johnson fell to the deck with no head bounce on the canvas, and shading his eyes from the sun with his forearm during the count.

Also reported in the paper was Johnson sending word to his wife after the 25th round to leave the arena -- because he was ending things in the next round. And for the final tidbit -- Johnson grabbed Willard in an unbreakable clinch just before he took the dive and maneuvered him around until he could look directly at his wife's box to make sure she was gone. This was also reported in the paper. Then Johnson stepped back and invited the suspicious punch, looking it all the way in and doing his pratfall.

As in the movies or stage performances, the easiest punch to fake is a straight right. Everyone can see it. And as it hits the inside of the left shoulder you jerk your head back as if it connected with the chin. This one was poorly done and didn't fool ringsiders.

scorpio83 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2017, 05:16 Please that anyone tell me by the evidence in the video and description of his earlier fights from "In the Ring with Jack Johnson: Part I the Rise", how good was Johnson's chin? Grade Johnson's chin from C+ to A+. Choynski told Johnson after teaching him from jail that he wouldn't take a punch. From post-Choynski fight to the Jess Willard fight, Johnson didn't took many punches to his chin except he survived the knockdown from Stanley Ketchel in their 1909 heavyweight title defense before Johnson knocked him down for the count in 12 rounds. What is your opinion?

Well Choynski, a light heavyweight KO'd him cold. Ketchel a middle weight famously floored Johnson, and GunBoat Smith was about 180 pounds and didn't have the best KO record knocked him down, and possibly out in a 4 round exhibition match.

I think Johnson was down in some other matches vs. Klondike Haines. Maybe others.

I say B- on your given scale. Those who could have tested it in their primes never received the chance, so all we can grade him on is fights vs. smaller heavyweights.

The Choynski KO was bullcrap... That fight was stopped by police... The Gunboat Smith knockdown was also bullcrap..

Who reported the Gunboat knockdown??? Did he have the experience and power to take on the World's Greatest Heavyweight at that time???

NO!!!! ... Some of you guys swallow shittloaded stories whole.

I had heard Joe Choynski literally put Jack Johnson to sleep with that inside punch to the mandible
(which either was a right or a left depending on who threw it and who recieved it).and Johnson sank to the floor like "Flour going down a shute" with it.

https://books.google.com/books?id=8QY6- ... pg=PA29&dq

check out this really good article too.
(Choynski had said he knocked out Jack Johnson with a left hook that landed with all his might just below right Johnson's temple.)

http://www.boxing.com/joe_choynski_one_ ... _fire.html

Caractacus wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 17:49 I had heard Joe Choynski literally put Jack Johnson to sleep with that inside punch to the mandible
(which either was a right or a left depending on who threw it and who recieved it).and Johnson sank to the floor like "Flour going down a shute" with it.

https://books.google.com/books?id=8QY6- ... pg=PA29&dq

True. This Kalan poster is not to be taken seriously.

It was a one punch KO, worse than Lennox Lewis ever suffered. While Joe Choyinsvki could swat, he wasn't a big tim KO man based on his ring record. So Johnson's ability to take a punch is earmarked here. Those who hit harder than Choynski that landed a good one would likely stop Johnson too.

The good news is Johnson had solid defense, and would clinch a lot, which prevented him from being hit tough I suspect his competition had something to do with the defensive accolades. Flynn, Ketchel et all do not look very skilled to me on those older black and white films.

-p4p