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I also thought Rosado made Martin Murray look silly too - but he didn't get the decision.

I thought Katsidis narrowly beat Burns. I scored it live at Wembley and was surprised that nearly everyone else thought Burns was a clear winner.
I later watched a recording (as I didn't have a great seat at Wembley) and scored it exactly the same as I had first time.

Milpool - I'm with you.

also
Klitchsko vs Fury was close.

LancashireLoyal wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 06:14 Lee Selby is the most overated fighter in the country.

Yeah I'm with that

I don't think Leonard v Hagler was a close fight and Leonard won it no problem

Naandrew wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 14:13 I don't think Leonard v Hagler was a close fight and Leonard won it no problem

Don't be daft.

— I believe Haye had the potential to be the greatest cruiser of the 200lb era.

— That Lewis was second only to Tyson during his early career, but benefited greatly by the weakened division in which he solidified his rep. Holyfield was a reasonable distance from his prime when they fought, Tyson was coming back down the hill, and he managed to avoid Ibeabuchi while struggling against Briggs and Klitschko (who in fairness, were both very strong and in their primes). Lewis was an excellent boxer, but I think that lots of people place him too highly historically.

— I think that Ali would've lost the next two against Foreman had they fought a trilogy.

— I definitely fancied the pre-injury Francis to beat Calzaghe in the '90s. I'm a lot less certain now, but I still wouldn't rule it out.

— I think that Eubank would've found a way to beat Graham and Nunn (but not Toney or Jones).

— And I think that most people underrate Joe Louis, who I feel had the ability to beat almost anyone on his day.

There's a fantastic video of Joe here:

mimmy123 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 17:52 A good portion dont think Eubank Jr is a 'real deal' and Groves will beat him.

Well my friends you are wrong. Jr will not only beat Groves but beat him massively.

I fancy Jnr to stop Groves late. A Groves win wouldn't surprise me either though especially if Eubank starts as tentatively as he did against BJS. To be fair he's came on leaps and bounds from then and I can't see him making the same mistake. Groves is a top fighter but still panics when someone is putting it on him.

roy wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 09:17 I thought Katsidis narrowly beat Burns. I scored it live at Wembley and was surprised that nearly everyone else thought Burns was a clear winner.
I later watched a recording (as I didn't have a great seat at Wembley) and scored it exactly the same as I had first time.

Bollock talk! Burns won that with rounds to spare man!

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 19:18 Tyson Fury lacked heart in the first McDermott and Wladimir fights.

Hopkins beat Calzaghe, landed sharper counters for most of the night.

Don't see how Fury lacked heart v Wlad? He boxed his way to a decision and clearly boxed to a gameplan.

I had B-Hop beating Joe on the night and I was a massive Calzaghe fanboy! I've never actually rewatched it though and probably won't ever.....

Tbh I have never really rated Tyson Fury and even thought some of his earlier results were a bit dodgy - never been to any of his fights live though. Even so I do remember being absolutely gobsmacked when Rogie went down and even more so when he did not get up. Mind you, I even went on record once saying that Manny was overrated and I was totally convinced that Pricey would be world champ and,earlier, that John McDermott was the next white hope. Totally pathetic I know.

josco wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 19:31 Tbh I have never really rated Tyson Fury and even thought some of his earlier results were a bit dodgy - never been to any of his fights live though. Even so I do remember being absolutely gobsmacked when Rogie went down and even more so when he did not get up. Mind you, I even went on record once saying that Manny was overrated and I was totally convinced that Pricey would be world champ and,earlier, that John McDermott was the next white hope. Totally pathetic I know.

Casual

Stuarty30 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 19:10I had B-Hop beating Joe on the night and I was a massive Calzaghe fanboy! I've never actually rewatched it though and probably won't ever.....

Bernie's probably the only one who has rewatched it!

I remember expecting Hopkins to get the nod because it was in America, but that apparently favoured Calzaghe's workrate ahead of Hop's masterful resistance to it.

tbh hop is a master but didnt think he was so hot in that one. got bullied and looked really flustered at times and hesitant. it was deffo close but i didnt really question the decision.

Yeah, I couldn't decide a winner on the action, so I'd have tipped it to Calzaghe because of Hopkins' occasional spoiling.

Kilsby wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 09:08 I thought Canelo out-foxed GGG... GGG had one gameplan to walk Canelo down & couldn't nail him.

I thought Canelo made him miss & outboxed him by a few rounds on the cards - obviously I realise I'm in the minority. But that was my verdict

can deffo see that. canelo was far better in skills, but his work rate let him down from winning imo.

I only really have one massive one that I ve still found no one to agree with me on. Hatton was better than calzaghe.

Its just that hattons division was a lot more difficult than calzaghes and calzaghe took the right fights at the right time. Whereas ricky's lifestyle came back to bite him at the end.

Lacy turned out to be useless. Hopkins Roy Jones and eubank we,re favorable match ups for Joe at that point due to his stamina being so good. The older guys struggled to keep up with him. But all three would have beat him in there day. Eubank fight would have been close. No sure the other ones would have been tho. Which pretty much leaves Kessler. Who was a good fighter but always overrated by most.

Calzaghe picked the right kind of opponents. He was good. Had incredible stamina reserves just don't see him as the great everyone else seems to.

Ricky chose two of the best of the era in their primes and got took apark but I reckon calzaghe would have got took apart much the same against say a prime Roy Jones. The difference in the careers was they we,re both fighting hand picked opponents by warren but Ricky then went on to really challenge himself. Whereas joe took the easy more favorable route for him and it paid off.

But for years very few we,re interested in calzaghe in comparison to hatton. Was only after he beat lacy did people start to pick up interest. He finished strong. Whereas Ricky was the complete opposite. Overnight after may weather he was useless by the fans

And Joe became a legend overnite. And that's how its stayed ever since. I think both of them we,re flawed fighters...Ricky cause his dimensions were,nt quite big enough. And Joe cause he just relied on fast hands and incredible stamina. Neither could box all that well. Both just very good at what they did do. But both would have got exposed by the right opponent. Hatton did cause the challengers we,re a lot better. Calzaghe never cause the division was,nt great and he was a bit reluctant to fight anyone good. Relied on beating older guys that couldn't keep up with his pace in his defence he was as old as hopkins royjones. But there stamina depleted more as they aged more than calzaghes did who relied on it.

Still say hatton was slightly better. Calzaghe ended up with the better career tho.

SOGgy v Krushedner I = 114-113 SOGgy

Pac v Bradley I = 115-113 Bradley

seen a lot of ppl score for ward but cant say the same for timmy

Tanzio wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 20:42 SOGgy v Krushedner I = 114-113 SOGgy

Pac v Bradley I = 115-113 Bradley

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 18:46
— I think that Eubank would've found a way to beat Graham and Nunn (but not Toney or Jones).

Didn't he admit in public he could not beat Herol Graham and that he would never fight him ? He did drop him hard in sparring though. Johnny Nelson mentioned it in his autobiography

mimmy123 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 17:52 A good portion dont think Eubank Jr is a 'real deal' and Groves will beat him.

Well my friends you are wrong. Jr will not only beat Groves but beat him massively.

I disagree 100% :)

Degale is over rated for me. Lost to Medina and Jack IMO, and would lose comfortably against Groves again.

Tanzio wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 20:42 SOGgy v Krushedner I = 114-113 SOGgy

Pac v Bradley I = 115-113 Bradley

I agree with this completely.

Tanzio wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 20:42 SOGgy v Krushedner I = 114-113 SOGgy

Pac v Bradley I = 115-113 Bradley

Even Bradley didn’t score that one for Bradley