IS Eddie ducking Parker

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This is a side of boxing that puts people off thus has a detrimental effect on the sport becoming mainstream in my opinion.

Surely it should be a 66.67%/33.33% split on the basis that AJ has 2 belts and JP has 1?
This would help Fast Car in any future negotiations for wilder - could subsequently say to team Wilder 75/25 on the basis of 3 belts vs 1!

I know Joshua is the cash cow in the matchup but it takes 2 to tango and both Parker and Wilder victories would enhance his legacy (get the fights agreed ffs!)
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Avaritia, 1 of the 7 :TU:
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Taansend wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 10:40
MarkMcBurney wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 04:04
You can't seriously argue that one of the other two legit belt holders doesn't deserve at least 35%
Yes you can. Parker won the vacant title against an obese Mexican American & earned 750,000 quid against Fury in a fight watched by a handful of people.

Joshua has beaten the longtime heavyweight champ in a thriller talked about around the world & earns 15 million a fight, TWENTY times more than Parker.

Personally I think 70/30 is fair but you CAN seriously argue that Parker doesn't deserve at least 35%

Basically this post
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Naandrew wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 11:23
Taansend wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 10:40
MarkMcBurney wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 04:04
You can't seriously argue that one of the other two legit belt holders doesn't deserve at least 35%
Yes you can. Parker won the vacant title against an obese Mexican American & earned 750,000 quid against Fury in a fight watched by a handful of people.

Joshua has beaten the longtime heavyweight champ in a thriller talked about around the world & earns 15 million a fight, TWENTY times more than Parker.

Personally I think 70/30 is fair but you CAN seriously argue that Parker doesn't deserve at least 35%
Basically this post
Money's in the post, mate :TU:
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sgtcecil wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 11:04 This is a side of boxing that puts people off thus has a detrimental effect on the sport becoming mainstream in my opinion.

Surely it should be a 66.67%/33.33% split on the basis that AJ has 2 belts and JP has 1?
This would help Fast Car in any future negotiations for wilder - could subsequently say to team Wilder 75/25 on the basis of 3 belts vs 1!

I know Joshua is the cash cow in the matchup but it takes 2 to tango and both Parker and Wilder victories would enhance his legacy (get the fights agreed ffs!)
This makes good sense to me, if they want the belt then pay the going rate. We all know the four major recognised belts and although you could value them in terms of seniority and prestige i.e. WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO in that order, the fact is if you don't own all four you cannot be the undisputed champion. The lineal title is a mythical beast, although very important to boxing aficionado's, but there's nothing Team Joshua can do about that one until Fury either returns or retires. 33.33% is in between the 30 and 35% that most people think Parker should get so Eddie should crack on and make the deal. I do think he is playing hardball to deter future negotiations but if the split for a unification goes along those lines (25% per belt) it would be a good precedent to set in my opinion.
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Boxerbeetle wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 04:56 No way are Eddie or Joshua ducking Parker, he’s a much easier fight than Takam was.
I don't agree. While I think Parker has a less than 20% chance of beating Sir Humblelot, I don't think Parker is worse than Takem.
Takem went against AJ to survive, Parker will go up against AJ to win, and I think try for the KO. Huge upset if he does it. I don't think he can, but I don't rule it out either.
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PredatorHayds wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 09:30 Not a duck at all. For that amount of money every percentage helps.

Let’s not forget Parker’s promoter doesn’t know his arse from his elbow, and Hearn and AJ will end up getting him on the cheap.

AJ makes monster money regardless of who he fights.
Parker only has AJ for big bucks. Hearn knows this and is exploiting the weaknesses. Also throw in the small NZ PPV market which KIWI knows better than me.
They are negotiating for the NZ/Australian and Pacific TV rights going to Parker. It will be Sky Arena PPV and should be quite lucrative.
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KiwiRider wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 14:21
Boxerbeetle wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 04:56 No way are Eddie or Joshua ducking Parker, he’s a much easier fight than Takam was.
I don't agree. While I think Parker has a less than 20% chance of beating Sir Humblelot, I don't think Parker is worse than Takem.
Takem went against AJ to survive, Parker will go up against AJ to win, and I think try for the KO. Huge upset if he does it. I don't think he can, but I don't rule it out either.
That’s exactly why he’s an easier fight for Joshua than Takam - he’ll be wide open to attacks and get ko’d early. I do agree that Parker has more chance of winning than Takam did though, so it’s a weird one.
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Boxerbeetle wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 15:05
KiwiRider wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 14:21
Boxerbeetle wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 04:56 No way are Eddie or Joshua ducking Parker, he’s a much easier fight than Takam was.
I don't agree. While I think Parker has a less than 20% chance of beating Sir Humblelot, I don't think Parker is worse than Takem.
Takem went against AJ to survive, Parker will go up against AJ to win, and I think try for the KO. Huge upset if he does it. I don't think he can, but I don't rule it out either.
That’s exactly why he’s an easier fight for Joshua than Takam - he’ll be wide open to attacks and get ko’d early. I do agree that Parker has more chance of winning than Takam did though, so it’s a weird one.
Ha! Yes I can agree with that. Parker's team go on about how good Joe's chin is. I interpret that as he will take a more sustained beatdowm than some of Joshua's previous victims. :wave:
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KiwiRider wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 15:13
Boxerbeetle wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 15:05
KiwiRider wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 14:21

I don't agree. While I think Parker has a less than 20% chance of beating Sir Humblelot, I don't think Parker is worse than Takem.
Takem went against AJ to survive, Parker will go up against AJ to win, and I think try for the KO. Huge upset if he does it. I don't think he can, but I don't rule it out either.
That’s exactly why he’s an easier fight for Joshua than Takam - he’ll be wide open to attacks and get ko’d early. I do agree that Parker has more chance of winning than Takam did though, so it’s a weird one.
Ha! Yes I can agree with that. Parker's team go on about how good Joe's chin is. I interpret that as he will take a more sustained beatdowm than some of Joshua's previous victims. :wave:
Doesn't take much of a beatdown for one of Hearns refs to jump in and prematurely stop a Joshua fight, the tko-train must keep on rolling...
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wesshaw1985 wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 15:34
KiwiRider wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 15:13
Boxerbeetle wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 15:05

That’s exactly why he’s an easier fight for Joshua than Takam - he’ll be wide open to attacks and get ko’d early. I do agree that Parker has more chance of winning than Takam did though, so it’s a weird one.
Ha! Yes I can agree with that. Parker's team go on about how good Joe's chin is. I interpret that as he will take a more sustained beatdowm than some of Joshua's previous victims. :wave:
Doesn't take much of a beatdown for one of Hearns refs to jump in and prematurely stop a Joshua fight, the tko-train must keep on rolling...
I'm trying not to think about that scenario Wes. I do think the Takem fight was stopped partially due to the cuts.
If only Parker wasn't as easy to hit, this fight would be a bit more competitive.
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KiwiRider wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 15:42
wesshaw1985 wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 15:34
KiwiRider wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 15:13
Ha! Yes I can agree with that. Parker's team go on about how good Joe's chin is. I interpret that as he will take a more sustained beatdowm than some of Joshua's previous victims. :wave:
Doesn't take much of a beatdown for one of Hearns refs to jump in and prematurely stop a Joshua fight, the tko-train must keep on rolling...
I'm trying not to think about that scenario Wes. I do think the Takem fight was stopped partially due to the cuts.
If only Parker wasn't as easy to hit, this fight would be a bit more competitive.
its title vs. title, I just hope the fight is allowed to come to a definitive ending.
don't rule Parker out, he's easier to hit than Takam but he can catch Joshua no doubt...
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It would also be Parkers one shot at the big time so I'd expect him to be in A1 shape and looking to leave it all in there.
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One thing all you experts don't seem to realise is Parker is #3 cash cow in heavyweight division. AJ, Povetkin then Parker. Your figures are off Parker has earned more in his last three fights than Wilder has in his last three fights this all coming from little old New Zealand/Australasia... Duco Events which promote Parker are unorthodox and I would agree a bit farsical sometimes but they pull the numbers down under. Horn vs Pac Man was Duco events 50000 people live at that event these are not small numbers on any scale!!! Parker vs Lucas browne will be massive!! Similar sized event and will pull big money for Parker Probably $2 Million plus easy payday down these ways Thats a lot more than Wilder is getting and at the moment only AJ & Povetkin with his big Russian backers are getting more in the division. Parker has options for much easier pay days than AJ but he really wants that fight If he doesn't get over whelmed by the occasion he is a shot as taller fighters who stand in front of him are his specialty, don't count him out he has the speed to hit joshua the stamina to take him late and Maybe the chin to get him there. By the way Wilder beats AJ inside three rounds with a straight right hence why AJ will not take that fight anytime soon!!!
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Why does anyone from Team Parker give a toss about a percentage number? Just look at the actual purse, which will be eons more than any previous fight or any future fights.

Witter did the same and ended up missing his payday. He was offered I think £400,000 but balked having previously maxed at £75,000. He missed the payday and never got close to it and probably earned that combined for his remainder fights, or not much more.

Years later, I doubt he gives a fck about that percentage number
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If total prize is $30M
At 70/30 AJ wil get $21M and JP gets $9M


They are fighting over $1.5M

The 5% is more valuable to JP than AJ who is getting a ton of money even at 35%

If this fight doesn’t happen it’s due to fear of Parker not the 5%
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Joshua ain't scared of Parker. Get real.
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samwbr wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 18:18 Joshua ain't scared of Parker. Get real.

Unfortunately Joshua has been tipped over so much in sparring he’s probably realising it’s only a matter of time before the bubble bursts on his public charade and becomes exposed like David Price.

Parker’s chin is maybe the greatest chin of all time . He has never been down even in sparring which has never been heard of before.
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Grailer wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 19:03
samwbr wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 18:18 Joshua ain't scared of Parker. Get real.

Unfortunately Joshua has been tipped over so much in sparring he’s probably realising it’s only a matter of time before the bubble bursts on his public charade and becomes exposed like David Price.

Parker’s chin is maybe the greatest chin of all time . He has never been down even in sparring which has never been heard of before.
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Boxerbeetle wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 19:19
:lol:
If a bloke like Cooper could hurt Clay, what would a destroyer like Liston do to the fighter known as the Louisville Lip? Liston was an 1-8 favorite for the Feb. 25, 1964, title match at Miami Beach's Convention Hall, and most boxing observers thought Clay would do well to last a round or two more than Patterson. But in a bout former heavyweight champ Joe Louis called "the biggest upset in the history of boxing," the fighter who would soon change his name "shook up the world" with an exquisite demonstration of punching skill that left a wounded Liston unable to answer the bell for the seventh round.
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Grailer wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 19:03
samwbr wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 18:18 Joshua ain't scared of Parker. Get real.

Unfortunately Joshua has been tipped over so much in sparring he’s probably realising it’s only a matter of time before the bubble bursts on his public charade and becomes exposed like David Price.

Parker’s chin is maybe the greatest chin of all time . He has never been down even in sparring which has never been heard of before.
Would'nt go has far as that (greatest chin of all time ),, but he is the 3rd biggest fight out there at the moment , and the only one available out of the 3 ,, Some are writing him off completly but lets have it right AJ is no great shakes himself , his last fight he was gassing and had a ref jump in and save him from having to finish , he got dropped by Klitchko who on reflection was well past his due by date , , all his other fights have been gimmee fights , Aj is what he is big , decent punch reasonable but so so chin , and muscle bound with no stamina , he is a Frank Bruno clone with less stamina and he will not change

Parker while not living up to the original hype , did'nt need the ref to step in to save him and make sure of a win against Takam , the Fury fight was dismal , but not Parkers fault , Parker came to fight , and you CANNOT look good against a guy running , holding , and refusing to fight , and someone else pointed out , Parker will bring something to the table , PPV buys all over the south pacific , just because , a boxing fan in essex or Cumbria has'nt heard of Parker does'nt mean to say that the pacific region has'nt , Has pointed out by someone else . Horn and Paccy sold 50,000 seats ,

iF THEY WERE TO SWAP SITES AND DO THE FIGHT IN aUST IT WOULD PULL 50,000 EASY , ppv would be similar , so Parker is not Takam , Parker brings a belt to the table and Parker brings the Pacific and part of Asia ppv buys , This makes Parker a lot more worthy of the fight than Dylan whyte , who will bring no extra ,

Big difference with Whyte and Parker is one Aj has beat and will beat again 99% surety ,,, Parker , is fast has a good chin , and against a guy like AJ will at least have moments of testing AJ's chin , and he will definetly test his stamina .
Yep more i think about it the more i don't think they want it , and i definetly predict they will stay away from Wilder , Wilder is'nt great but he ko''s Joshua .

There gonna hang on fight duds and await the return of Fury , Fury's been bowled over himself , 2 years out the game another 12 months getting ready , on paper he is probably the easiest one out there and definetly the biggest money maker , if it happens because he will not settle for 30%
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jazzyham wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 16:22 One thing all you experts don't seem to realise is Parker is #3 cash cow in heavyweight division. AJ, Povetkin then Parker. Your figures are off Parker has earned more in his last three fights than Wilder has in his last three fights this all coming from little old New Zealand/Australasia... Duco Events which promote Parker are unorthodox and I would agree a bit farsical sometimes but they pull the numbers down under. Horn vs Pac Man was Duco events 50000 people live at that event these are not small numbers on any scale!!! Parker vs Lucas browne will be massive!! Similar sized event and will pull big money for Parker Probably $2 Million plus easy payday down these ways Thats a lot more than Wilder is getting and at the moment only AJ & Povetkin with his big Russian backers are getting more in the division. Parker has options for much easier pay days than AJ but he really wants that fight If he doesn't get over whelmed by the occasion he is a shot as taller fighters who stand in front of him are his specialty, don't count him out he has the speed to hit joshua the stamina to take him late and Maybe the chin to get him there. By the way Wilder beats AJ inside three rounds with a straight right hence why AJ will not take that fight anytime soon!!!
The winning purse bid for Parker v Fury was NZ$2.1m which is about a million quid meaning he got no more than 750k pounds.
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Well, if he makes more money fighting one "bum" compared to fighting a beltholder, I can very well understand AJ preferes to fight a bum... The so called beltholders simply literally price themself out.
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If Parker fancies it, I think he should accept 30% with an agreement to receive 70% for the rematch. That way he'd get 30% for losing, or half the money for winning at least one of the two fights. Make this offer public and the ball's then in Joshua's court, because there's no rematch clause if he wins.
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Grilling Machine wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 22:54 If Parker fancies it, I think he should accept 30% with an agreement to receive 70% for the rematch. That way he'd get 30% for losing, or half the money for winning at least one of the two fights. Make this offer public and the ball's then in Joshua's court, because there's no rematch clause if he wins.
Parker doesn’t think he needs a rematch clause only Joshua thinks he needs one probably because of his dodgy chin.

It’s an insult to offer less than 35% to the champion
I have never heard of such absurdity!

If Joshua is serious about becoming undisputed then stop mucked ng around and make it happen

Even if on the small chance you beat Parker with a lucky uppercut you will be paying 50-50 to fight Wilder.
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