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Loma is cosmic. He is better boxer than Floyd.

Heretic wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 10:22

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 09:35

apollo creed wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 09:02

Yeah Floyd would go almost unbeatable in any fantasy matches (Fab 4, JCC Sr, Benitez, SRR, Camacho, Trinidad, etc) due of his tactics of handpicking, waiting a possible opponent to visible decline, draining him and of course have the ref and the judges on his side. Almost impossible to beat Floyd.

Right, FMJ fought guys from two weight classes below him, and eight years older than him as a habit

To Lomassiah’s credit, he admitted that he did not consider this a big win due to his massive size and age advantages.

What he does have a habit of is whining to the ref when hit to the body, like a certain Russian that so many idolize on here. That appears to be a possible weakness to be exploited by a rough customer like Berchelt or Mikey.

So you are saying he is weak against nut shots?

Who would have tough that

He was complaining about every shot near the belt. Not one of them was seriously low.

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 11:03

Heretic wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 10:22

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 09:35
Right, FMJ fought guys from two weight classes below him, and eight years older than him as a habit

To Lomassiah’s credit, he admitted that he did not consider this a big win due to his massive size and age advantages.

What he does have a habit of is whining to the ref when hit to the body, like a certain Russian that so many idolize on here. That appears to be a possible weakness to be exploited by a rough customer like Berchelt or Mikey.

So you are saying he is weak against nut shots?

Who would have tough that

He was complaining about every shot near the belt. Not one of them was seriously low.

Preventing worse. Had maidana complained everytime floyd clinched maybe the ref wouldve finaly deducted a point =)

Loma is better than Floyd. Floyd's only advantage is power.

I'd say it would have been a close one. Floyd had incredible speed of hand and foot at that weight. He slowed a lot and threw less punches as he moved up the weights.

YEEEESSSS INDEED!!! ... 130 ..... Since Floyd fought MOST of he pro fights at 130 - that's the most logical weight.

Lomachenko all the way on that one...

The 1st decent southpaw Floyd fought was Corley -- who went the distance with Floyd and rocked him with big shots.

The 2nd decent southpaw Floyd fought was Judah -- who messed Floyd up for 4 rounds and decked him... Later in the fight Judah really laid into Floyd with a body blow.... If that were an Eastern European on the receiving end people would say "He looked like he wanted to quit" - and agree with the fight being awarded to Judah... As it is Judah went the distance and Floyd, who was given a 5 minute break -- and got 12 minutes.

The first brilliant southpaw Lomachenko fought was undefeated Gary Russell -- who has brilliant hand and foot speed and tremendous punching power. He's the best Featherweight Champion... The other champs at that weight avoid Russell like the plague because they know they'll get knocked out... Lomachenko is still Russell's only loss and will remain his only loss.. I don't see anyone beating him if he stays at 126... Loma dominated Russell when he had 2 fight and is still the only man to beat him.

The next brilliant southpaw Loma fought was 2-time Olympic Gold Medalist - the undefeated Guillermo Rigondeaux... Lomachenko dominated the brilliant Cuban to the extent that Rigo quit in his corner - as Lomachenko's last 4 opponents did... Lomachenko said ruefully, "These guys keep quitting .... I should change my name to "No Mas Chenko.""

Kalan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 15:59 YEEEESSSS INDEED!!! ... 130 ..... Since Floyd fought MOST of he pro fights at 130 - that's the most logical weight.

Lomachenko all the way on that one...

The 1st decent southpaw Floyd fought was Corley -- who went the distance with Floyd and rocked him with big shots.

The 2nd decent southpaw Floyd fought was Judah -- who messed Floyd up for 4 rounds and decked him... Later in the fight Judah really laid into Floyd with a body blow.... If that were an Eastern European on the receiving end people would say "He looked like he wanted to quit" - and agree with the fight being awarded to Judah... As it is Judah went the distance and Floyd, who was given a 5 minute break -- and got 12 minutes.

The first brilliant southpaw Lomachenko fought was undefeated Gary Russell -- who has brilliant hand and foot speed and tremendous punching power. He's the best Featherweight Champion... The other champs at that weight avoid Russell like the plague because they know they'll get knocked out... Lomachenko is still Russell's only loss and will remain his only loss.. I don't see anyone beating him if he stays at 126... Loma dominated Russell when he had 2 fight and is still the only man to beat him.

The next brilliant southpaw Loma fought was 2-time Olympic Gold Medalist - the undefeated Guillermo Rigondeaux... Lomachenko dominated the brilliant Cuban to the extent that Rigo quit in his corner - as Lomachenko's last 4 opponents did... Lomachenko said ruefully, "These guys keep quitting .... I should change my name to "No Mas Chenko.""

Loma vs this version of FMJ:

apollo creed wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 17:21 Loma vs this version of FMJ:

pound per pound wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 10:08

Oiky wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 07:51 Loma is very very good but I reckon floyd would still pull out a win

Mayweather would never take the fight. If he did he’d lose on points.

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 18:18

pound per pound wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 10:08

Oiky wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 07:51 Loma is very very good but I reckon floyd would still pull out a win

Mayweather would never take the fight. If he did he’d lose on points.

Floyd would get KO'd... Southpaws rip Floyd with left and right hooks.... They make him look silly... But because they lose to such terrible boxers as Carlos Baldomir (Zab Judah) they fade down the stretch but still go the distance.

Floyd would tame him. Too good of a boxer on the outside. A prime 130 lb. Floyd was just too good. All you have to do is watch Lomas fight with Russell and it's obvious why Floyd would have the advantage in that fight. What sets Floyd apart from other fighters is his ability to control range, work off a long jab and create distance. Terrible stylistic matchup for Lomachenko. Floyd wouldn't let Lomachenko get close enough to use all his angles, Lomachenko would get picked off from a distance just out of punching range all night long.

NateJR wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 04:04 Floyd would tame him. Too good of a boxer on the outside. A prime 130 lb. Floyd was just too good. All you have to do is watch Lomas fight with Russell and it's obvious why Floyd would have the advantage in that fight. What sets Floyd apart from other fighters is his ability to control range, work off a long jab and create distance. Terrible stylistic matchup for Lomachenko. Floyd wouldn't let Lomachenko get close enough to use all his angles, Lomachenko would get picked off from a distance just out of punching range all night long.

You are right. Floyd is vicious from outside and Master of controlling range and i would lie if i said loma would easily beat floyd. Both would have a tough night.

What floyd had problems with were opponents who relentlessly attacked him like castillo n maidana. What floyd also disliked were fast athletic opponents who could equal him athletlcly n footwork.

With loma we got an athletic fast relentless attacker with atg footwork. U get my point.

Tough fight, both in prime shape near perfect boxer no doubt.

Jip wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:21

NateJR wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 04:04 Floyd would tame him. Too good of a boxer on the outside. A prime 130 lb. Floyd was just too good. All you have to do is watch Lomas fight with Russell and it's obvious why Floyd would have the advantage in that fight. What sets Floyd apart from other fighters is his ability to control range, work off a long jab and create distance. Terrible stylistic matchup for Lomachenko. Floyd wouldn't let Lomachenko get close enough to use all his angles, Lomachenko would get picked off from a distance just out of punching range all night long.

You are right. Floyd is vicious from outside and Master of controlling range and i would lie if i said loma would easily beat floyd. Both would have a tough night.

What floyd had problems with were opponents who relentlessly attacked him like castillo n maidana. What floyd also disliked were fast athletic opponents who could equal him athletlcly n footwork.

With loma we got an athletic fast relentless attacker with atg footwork. U get my point.

Tough fight, both in prime shape near perfect boxer no doubt.

Floyd's Achilles' heel was southpaws... Floyd had his problems with southpaws.... That's why I said Floyd would never fight Keith Thurman or Errol Spence in a million years - and that's why he picked Berto and McGregor for his last 2 fights.. McGregor is a southpaw but shitt - he was making his pro debut and people said he wasn't going to land a single punch. He landed more punches than Pacquiao.

Now people will point to Manny Pacquiao.... But Floyd knew all about Pacquiao's shoulder problems before he signed to fight him - which was 7 years after discussions for their fight began in earnest... Pacquiao had no jab and no right hook in that fight... He didn't spar for the final month of camp because his bad shoulder finally gave out... He had major rotator cuff surgery immediately following that fight... Floyd still didn't do a damned thing in that fight, but Pac did less.

Floyd wasn't vicious from the outside and didn't control range... Nothing vicious happened in that fight... Neither boxer had a mark on him after that sparring session... Pac was able to plaster Floyd against the ropes in the 4th round and fire non-stop after landing a big straight right,, but you could see the pain on Manny's face and he backed off on his own with Floyd hurt... That's was the only thing Pacquiao did in the whole 12 rounds... He was stalling all the way.

The NSAC which is in Floyd's moneyed pockets refused Pacquiao legal pain injections before the fight... They said Manny hadn't signed the proper medical forms and never notified them of the medical issue... I know why - they would have immediately informed Mayweather...but he already knew... When Pac stopped sparring and signed his sparring partners to nondisclosure agreements 4 weeks before the fight - and shut his camp off to fans and media - I knew something stunk in Denmark... I knew Pac had an undisclosed injury and told everyone NOT to bet on Pacquiao...

A dead give away was Pac's and Freddie Roach's faces... They were grinning like idiots... Pac said God promised him a victory... The only thing they wanted was to get to the fight and collect their 200 million dollars.

But if you saw Floyd's distance fights with Corley and Judah -- you knew he had problems with southpaws... For those of you who aren't catching on - Lomachenko is the most skilled southpaw in the history of Boxing.

After that fight Floyd's logical opponents were undefeated Keith Thurman and Kell Brook for Unified World Welterweight Championship Fights... But it was painfully obvious they weren't going to happen.

Tough one, Floyd is naturally alot bigger than Lomachenko and Floyd's biggest asset imo has always been his reach: a whopping 72" - that's in the vicinty of even Heavyweight Champions (the same as Mike Tyson, longer than Marciano).

There can't be too many fighters in history with a reach exceeding 72" in the 130 division. 2 fighters that come to mind are Genaro Hernandez & Corralles, both of whom Floyd faught actually, but neither of them exceed 72".

It would be an interesting fight none the less, i think Lomachenko possess many advantages over Floyd too, quicker feet, quicker, more accurate hands. The big question mark in such a bout would be how Lomachenko gets close enough to Floyd to get the better of the exchanges, and avoid a similar fate of eating a handful of potshots per round from Floyd Runawayweather.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 12:45 Tough one, Floyd is naturally alot bigger than Lomachenko and Floyd's biggest asset imo has always been his reach: a whopping 72" - that's in the vicinty of even Heavyweight Champions (the same as Mike Tyson, longer than Marciano).

There can't be too many fighters in history with a reach exceeding 72" in the 130 division. 2 fighters that come to mind are Genaro Hernandez & Corralles, both of whom Floyd faught actually, but neither of them exceed 72".

It would be an interesting fight none the less, i think Lomachenko possess many advantages over Floyd too, quicker feet, quicker, more accurate hands. The big question mark in such a bout would be how Lomachenko gets close enough to Floyd to get the better of the exchanges, and avoid a similar fate of eating a handful of potshots per round from Floyd Runawayweather.

good post

apollo creed wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 09:02

greg wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 08:20

Oiky wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 07:51 Loma is very very good but I reckon floyd would still pull out a win

..considering all extras you get fighting life-long out of Nevada, I wouldn't be surprised..

Yeah Floyd would go almost unbeatable in any fantasy matches (Fab 4, JCC Sr, Benitez, SRR, Camacho, Trinidad, etc) due of his tactics of handpicking, waiting a possible opponent to visible decline, draining him and of course have the ref and the judges on his side. Almost impossible to beat Floyd.

I think we can go ahead and force floyd into fair fights in our imaginations.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 12:45
There can't be too many fighters in history with a reach exceeding 72" in the 130 division. 2 fighters that come to mind are Genaro Hernandez & Corralles, both of whom Floyd faught actually, but neither of them exceed 72"

Corrales had extremely short arms for his height... I guarantee you his reach is not even 70" as advertised...

HOWEVER!!!! ... Nicholas Walters has extremely long arms and his reach is longer than Floyd's at 73 inches...

Walters put it to good use boxing the living crap out of Nonito Donaire and smashing him dead... Donaire said after the fight... "I really trained really hard for this fight and really wanted to destroy him -- but he beat the shitt out of me."

Quite a contrast with Rigodeaux's fight with Donaire... That's why I knew Loma-Rigo would be no contest.

I thought Lomachenko-Walters would be very competitive -- but it wasn't... Loma is a master of masters.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 12:45 Tough one, Floyd is naturally alot bigger than Lomachenko and Floyd's biggest asset imo has always been his reach: a whopping 72" - that's in the vicinty of even Heavyweight Champions (the same as Mike Tyson, longer than Marciano).

There can't be too many fighters in history with a reach exceeding 72" in the 130 division. 2 fighters that come to mind are Genaro Hernandez & Corralles, both of whom Floyd faught actually, but neither of them exceed 72".

It would be an interesting fight none the less, i think Lomachenko possess many advantages over Floyd too, quicker feet, quicker, more accurate hands. The big question mark in such a bout would be how Lomachenko gets close enough to Floyd to get the better of the exchanges, and avoid a similar fate of eating a handful of potshots per round from Floyd Runawayweather.

Yeah Floyd was a master at fighting negatively and potshoting. Very hard to beat him. I'd say that Floyd would make the fight Loma very, very boring with a lot of running and holding.

Floyd has shown to have trouble with fast southpaws early. Loma is many times better and faster than any southpaw Floyd has ever faced. They both adjust well and figure out their opponents during the fight. The difference is that Loma has shown to figure them out faster and make them give up in many instances.

Loma is the best, most complete foghter I have ever watched.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 17:06 Loma is the best, most complete foghter I have ever watched.

+1

Loma by RTD. I think Floyd was at his best when he fought at 140-147 lbs. He developed better skillset and had way more experience by then. Floyd looked impressive in some of his fights in the super featherweight division, but he also looked very unimpressive in the others, like in the fight against Jesus Chavez.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 17:06 Floyd has shown to have trouble with fast southpaws early. Loma is many times better and faster than any southpaw Floyd has ever faced. They both adjust well and figure out their opponents during the fight. The difference is that Loma has shown to figure them out faster and make them give up in many instances.

Loma is the best, most complete foghter I have ever watched.

Yup, his skillset is out of this world.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 18:39 Loma by RTD. I think Floyd was at his best when he fought at 140-147 lbs. He developed better skillset and had way more experience by then. Floyd looked impressive in some of his fights in the super featherweight division, but he also looked very unimpressive in the others, like in the fight against Jesus Chavez.

Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 09:35
What he does have a habit of is whining to the ref when hit to the body, like a certain Russian that so many idolize on here. That appears to be a possible weakness to be exploited by a rough customer like Berchelt or Mikey

He wasn't whining.. The referee isn't fukking BLIND!!! .. He's supposed to call fouls when Salido hit him low... Live and learn.

It took Lomachenko 2 fights to convert his amateur skills to the pro ranks... For most boxers it takes at least 20 fights.

And those guy you mention aren't rough customers... Mikey is a master boxer and doesn't need to foul... Rocky Martinez was a rough customer and beat the crap out of Salido... But Lomachenko jumped up in weight with no acclimation fights and knocked Martinez stiff with a hard shot to the chin... That's what Loma does to rough customers theses days -- since he was cheated against Salido he fouls people back if the biased referees do nothing.,.. Like Tim Bradley said.

The first time Mayweather jumped up in weight -- in his 28th Fight -- a lot of people, including the HBO crew, were mislead into thinking punch bag Jose Luis Castillo beat Floyd -- by Harold Lederman and by a biased punch-stat man.

Even blind-assed Lederman wouldn't make that mistake if Lomachenko fought Castillo... He'd get tremendous angles on that punching bag and blast him out... Castillo fought at 130 until his 37th fight with Jorge Paez.. He wasn't that big.. He'd get knocked out by Lomachenko. NOBODY got angles on Rigondeaux... Nobody but Lomachenko... The man is a freakin' magician these days... He's got 11 fights now, and is already so good it's scary.