Heavyweight Truth

[Tony1244]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem is the fights are being made in slow motion.


IF Joshua defended against Both Parker and Ruiz in 2018

AND IF Wilder defended against Ortiz and Povetkin in 2018, with the Winners fighting each other in 2108 or early 2019 all of a sudden it would be a Great Division.

[Dwayne Rudenkoslav]

and pov shouldve lost to a cruiser. huc beat his ass.

It was about 7 years ago and Huck was in his prime and a top top cruiserweight tough as hell.Povetkin deserved tbe decision in a good close fight
You are clutching straws cause you hate Povetkin. How sad are you.

[candyslim]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem is the fights are being made in slow motion.


IF Joshua defended against Both Parker and Ruiz in 2018

AND IF Wilder defended against Ortiz and Povetkin in 2018, with the Winners fighting each other in 2108 or early 2019 all of a sudden it would be a Great Division.

Can't argue with that even if the scenario is about as likely as Zhang Jun Long unifying the four belts in 2019 or 2020

[Tony1244]

You are clutching straws cause you hate Povetkin. How sad are you.
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You found us out. The entire North American continent is obsessed with Povetkin. Its really all we think about.

[Tony1244]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem is the fights are being made in slow motion.


IF Joshua defended against Both Parker and Ruiz in 2018

AND IF Wilder defended against Ortiz and Povetkin in 2018, with the Winners fighting each other in 2108 or early 2019 all of a sudden it would be a Great Division.

Can't argue with that even if the scenario is about as likely as Zhang Jun Long unifying the four belts in 2019 or 2020

Yes, even if Joshua/Wilder aren't as technically proficient as Holyfield/Bowe or Ali/Frazier or whoever you wanted to compare them to. Even if the schedule I proposed, they all look like rock em sock em robots, people wouldn't be complaining about the division if it were entertaining; the best fighting the best on a regular basis.

Sadly as you say - unlikely. The question is why because the fans would come out.

[littlepug]

The HW division always has dips and troughs. It's only a dip at the moment, at least it's not a trough

Parker and Ortiz would probably get dropped by a 42 year old Wlad anyway.

Shitt you've got to be toking!!! ... Wladimir couldn't do crap to Bryant Jennings for 12 rounds... Ortiz was KILLING Jennings from the 1st round... He was smoking his ass all the way with right hooks and uppercuts Wlad never threw.

The Heavyweight Division has never been stronger...

You’re not impressed with Ortiz? … A 6’4” X 245lb slick boxing southpaw with murderous power in both hands??? I guess you’re not impressed by the money that May-Mac drew either.

TOP 40 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY... Strongest and most international the top ranks have ever been.

1. Anthony Joshua... 2. Luis Ortiz... 3. Deontay Wilder... 4. Alexander Povetkin... 5. Joseph Parker... 6. Jarrell Miller... 7. Dominic Breazeale... 8. Andy Ruiz... 9. Carlos Takam... 10. Dillian Whyte 11. Kubrat Pulev... 12. Hughie Fury... 13. David Haye... 14. Bryant Jennings... 15. Johann Duhaupas... 16. Tom Schwarz... 17. Gerald Washington... 18. Charles Martin... 19. Christian Hammer... 20. Oscar Rivas... 21. Izuagbe Ugonoh... 22. Jun Long Zhang 23. Dereck Chisora... 24. Ruslan Chagaev... 25. Otto Wallin... 26. Artur Szpilka... 27. Amir Mansour… 28. Bermane Stiverne... 29. Czar Glazkov... 30. Robert Helenius... 31. Eric Molina... 32. Tony Bellew… 33. Malik Scott... 34. Erkan Tepper... 35. Alexander Ustinov... 36. Adam Kownacki... 37. Lucas Browne... 38. Francesco Pianeta... 39. Carlos Negron... 40. Andriy Rudenko

Take a quick look at some Puke City Heavyweight Title Challengers from the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s:

Don Cockell... Roland LaStarza... Tom McNeely... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn...

How did those little fart bags ever get title shots???

Ring ratings 1992
1. Evander Holyfield
2. Mike Tyson
3. Riddick Bowe
4. Razor Ruddock
5. Ray Mercer
6. George Foreman
7. Tim Witherspoon
8. Tony Tucker
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Micheal Moorer
9 of those guys were former, future or current world champions and a total of 18 fights were made between them all, there is also at least 5 Olympic medal holders (3 gold), read it and weep !

[candyslim]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem is the fights are being made in slow motion.


IF Joshua defended against Both Parker and Ruiz in 2018

AND IF Wilder defended against Ortiz and Povetkin in 2018, with the Winners fighting each other in 2108 or early 2019 all of a sudden it would be a Great Division.

Can't argue with that even if the scenario is about as likely as Zhang Jun Long unifying the four belts in 2019 or 2020

Yes, even if Joshua/Wilder aren't as technically proficient as Holyfield/Bowe or Ali/Frazier or whoever you wanted to compare them to. Even if the schedule I proposed, they all look like rock em sock em robots, people wouldn't be complaining about the division if it were entertaining; the best fighting the best on a regular basis.

Sadly as you say - unlikely. The question is why because the fans would come out.

Let's just say I'd be delighted if Wilder fought Ortiz or Povetkin in 2018, both of them is way too much to ask, even if it shouldn't be. Joshua's not the problem. He'll fight twice next year against genuine contenders maybe even belt holders, and I'd caution you against suggesting he might be less skilled than the likes of Riddick Bowe or you'll incur the wrath of the kalan

[Tony1244]

Can't argue with that even if the scenario is about as likely as Zhang Jun Long unifying the four belts in 2019 or 2020

Yes, even if Joshua/Wilder aren't as technically proficient as Holyfield/Bowe or Ali/Frazier or whoever you wanted to compare them to. Even if the schedule I proposed, they all look like rock em sock em robots, people wouldn't be complaining about the division if it were entertaining; the best fighting the best on a regular basis.

Sadly as you say - unlikely. The question is why because the fans would come out.

Let's just say I'd be delighted if Wilder fought Ortiz or Povetkin in 2018, both of them is way too much to ask, even if it shouldn't be. Joshua's not the problem. He'll fight twice next year against genuine contenders maybe even belt holders, and I'd caution you against suggesting he might be less skilled than the likes of Riddick Bowe or you'll incur the wrath of the kalan

We all agree we want to see Wilder vs Povetkin and/or Ortiz, the debate is to who would win and why they haven't the happened?

I think Wilder would have a good chance, but if Deontay was KOd in 1, I wouldn't be very surprised and my life would move on, just like when I watched Duane Bobick and Leon Spinks, who I both liked a lot get KOd in 1.

[Kalan]

The HW division always has dips and troughs. It's only a dip at the moment, at least it's not a trough

Parker and Ortiz would probably get dropped by a 42 year old Wlad anyway.

Shitt you've got to be toking!!! ... Wladimir couldn't do crap to Bryant Jennings for 12 rounds... Ortiz was KILLING Jennings from the 1st round... He was smoking his ass all the way with right hooks and uppercuts Wlad never threw.

The Heavyweight Division has never been stronger...

You’re not impressed with Ortiz? … A 6’4” X 245lb slick boxing southpaw with murderous power in both hands??? I guess you’re not impressed by the money that May-Mac drew either.

TOP 40 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY... Strongest and most international the top ranks have ever been.

1. Anthony Joshua... 2. Luis Ortiz... 3. Deontay Wilder... 4. Alexander Povetkin... 5. Joseph Parker... 6. Jarrell Miller... 7. Dominic Breazeale... 8. Andy Ruiz... 9. Carlos Takam... 10. Dillian Whyte 11. Kubrat Pulev... 12. Hughie Fury... 13. David Haye... 14. Bryant Jennings... 15. Johann Duhaupas... 16. Tom Schwarz... 17. Gerald Washington... 18. Charles Martin... 19. Christian Hammer... 20. Oscar Rivas... 21. Izuagbe Ugonoh... 22. Jun Long Zhang 23. Dereck Chisora... 24. Ruslan Chagaev... 25. Otto Wallin... 26. Artur Szpilka... 27. Amir Mansour… 28. Bermane Stiverne... 29. Czar Glazkov... 30. Robert Helenius... 31. Eric Molina... 32. Tony Bellew… 33. Malik Scott... 34. Erkan Tepper... 35. Alexander Ustinov... 36. Adam Kownacki... 37. Lucas Browne... 38. Francesco Pianeta... 39. Carlos Negron... 40. Andriy Rudenko

Take a quick look at some Puke City Heavyweight Title Challengers from the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s:

Don Cockell... Roland LaStarza... Tom McNeely... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn...

How did those little fart bags ever get title shots???

Ring ratings 1992
1. Evander Holyfield
2. Mike Tyson
3. Riddick Bowe
4. Razor Ruddock
5. Ray Mercer
6. George Foreman
7. Tim Witherspoon
8. Tony Tucker
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Micheal Moorer
9 of those guys were former, future or current world champions and a total of 18 fights were made between them all, there is also at least 5 Olympic medal holders (3 gold), read it and weep !

Evander Holyfield got beaten up and knocked out by Ridiculous Bowe who couldn't find his own ass to wipe it....
Mike Tyson got knocked out by Bust Douglas... a fatso who ate his way out of the Heavyweight Division..
Ridiculous Bowe got beaten up by the crude swinging Foul Pole Golota... At the same time he got a vasectomy...
Razor Ruddock allowed LL to T-off on his chin and crush him pronto....
Ray Mercer landed 5 power shots in 6 rounds fighting Wladimir Klitschko... Then he got shelled and stopped.
Foreman was a FATBOY in his mid 40's....
Witherspoon couldn't be bothered with training and let Big Foot Martin can him...
Tony Tucker got ripped out in 2 rounds by Herbie Hide... Hide couldn't make it through the 2nd round with Vitali Klitschko.
Lewis is number NINE???? .... He's the best fighter there by 10,000,000 miles...
Moorer was a 20 second job for David Tua... He was a chin looking for a canvas... He also has something else in common with Tommy Hearns besides a weak chin ... they both won Light Heavyweight Titles.

It's gotta be pretty bad when 2 of the above were beaten by Tommy "The Puke" Morrison.

[littlepug]

Shitt you've got to be toking!!! ... Wladimir couldn't do crap to Bryant Jennings for 12 rounds... Ortiz was KILLING Jennings from the 1st round... He was smoking his ass all the way with right hooks and uppercuts Wlad never threw.

The Heavyweight Division has never been stronger...

You’re not impressed with Ortiz? … A 6’4” X 245lb slick boxing southpaw with murderous power in both hands??? I guess you’re not impressed by the money that May-Mac drew either.

TOP 40 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY... Strongest and most international the top ranks have ever been.

1. Anthony Joshua... 2. Luis Ortiz... 3. Deontay Wilder... 4. Alexander Povetkin... 5. Joseph Parker... 6. Jarrell Miller... 7. Dominic Breazeale... 8. Andy Ruiz... 9. Carlos Takam... 10. Dillian Whyte 11. Kubrat Pulev... 12. Hughie Fury... 13. David Haye... 14. Bryant Jennings... 15. Johann Duhaupas... 16. Tom Schwarz... 17. Gerald Washington... 18. Charles Martin... 19. Christian Hammer... 20. Oscar Rivas... 21. Izuagbe Ugonoh... 22. Jun Long Zhang 23. Dereck Chisora... 24. Ruslan Chagaev... 25. Otto Wallin... 26. Artur Szpilka... 27. Amir Mansour… 28. Bermane Stiverne... 29. Czar Glazkov... 30. Robert Helenius... 31. Eric Molina... 32. Tony Bellew… 33. Malik Scott... 34. Erkan Tepper... 35. Alexander Ustinov... 36. Adam Kownacki... 37. Lucas Browne... 38. Francesco Pianeta... 39. Carlos Negron... 40. Andriy Rudenko

Take a quick look at some Puke City Heavyweight Title Challengers from the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s:

Don Cockell... Roland LaStarza... Tom McNeely... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn...

How did those little fart bags ever get title shots???

Ring ratings 1992
1. Evander Holyfield
2. Mike Tyson
3. Riddick Bowe
4. Razor Ruddock
5. Ray Mercer
6. George Foreman
7. Tim Witherspoon
8. Tony Tucker
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Micheal Moorer
9 of those guys were former, future or current world champions and a total of 18 fights were made between them all, there is also at least 5 Olympic medal holders (3 gold), read it and weep !

Evander Holyfield got beaten up and knocked out by Ridiculous Bowe who couldn't find his own ass to wipe it....
Mike Tyson got knocked out by Bust Douglas... a fatso who ate his way out of the Heavyweight Division..
Ridiculous Bowe got beaten up by the crude swinging Foul Pole Golota... At the same time he got a vasectomy...
Razor Ruddock allowed LL to T-off on his chin and crush him pronto....
Ray Mercer landed 5 power shots in 6 rounds fighting Wladimir Klitschko... Then he got shelled and stopped.
Foreman was a FATBOY in his mid 40's....
Witherspoon couldn't be bothered with training and let Big Foot Martin can him...
Tony Tucker got ripped out in 2 rounds by Herbie Hide... Hide couldn't make it through the 2nd round with Vitali Klitschko.
Lewis is number NINE???? .... He's the best fighter there by 10,000,000 miles...
Moorer was a 20 second job for David Tua... He was a chin looking for a canvas... He also has something else in common with Tommy Hearns besides a weak chin ... they both won Light Heavyweight Titles.

It's gotta be pretty bad when 2 of the above were beaten by Tommy "The Puke" Morrison.

Yes it was a competitive era !