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Heretic wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 10:05

candyslim wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 04:50 The prodigious power demonstrated by Povetkin in knocking out Takam and demolishing Duhaupas for example, appears (judging from Rudenko and Hammer) to have inexplicably deserted him.

Did you watch the Hammer fight? I would not make any assumptions about fighters punching power against a guy that is only there to survive. Hammer was throwing something like ten punches per round, had his high guard constantly up and was clinching the whole fight. Octopuses are hard to KO

Yes I did and I agree it can be difficult to knock out a fighter intent on surviva,l but I don't think Hammer would have stuck around long against Joshua or Povetkin at the top of his game, however negative he was. He didn't appear too difficult to hit to me, in fact Povetkin landed punches just not in combinations and not hard enough to get the job done. Then there's Rudenko who's a tough man to be sure, but I was expecting Povetkin to become the first man to stop him.

I'm a fan of Povetkin (as I am any heavyweight who can beat, or has a realistic chance of upsetting a world championship belt-holder) but watching Povetkin against Rudenko and against Hammer after his awesome destruction of Duhaupas ... well it was like Bruce Banner compared with the Incredible Hulk.

Perhaps it's age related but he seemed to box well enough and it's an old cliche that the last thing you lose is your punch. I try to keep an open mind but I reserve the right to speculate.

handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 11:24

jamamb wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 09:15 well that goes w/o saying. but since u think pov is gash too just curious where in the division youd rate him.

Apologies mate I thought you used the word "gash" first

Povetkin has been a top heavyweight but your only as impressive as your last fight and that's the last 2 performances of his that have been pedestrian, I don't think he's got enough left to beat the likes of Joshua, Wilder, Parker(close fight) a few Cruiserweights would beat him as well IMO

Didn't he win every single round in his last two fights? How is that "pedestrian"? Do you require a KO every time?

candyslim wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 03:29 Joshua is constantly being tested. Eddie Hearn said that in the run up to the Takam fight including on the day of the fight, Joshua was drug-tested 14 times by 4 different agencies including VADA and UKAD.
If this statement was bullshit there are people who would know that to be the case and would enjoy exposing it as such.

I've mentioned this twice before. Nobody has challenged this yet I still keep reading Joshua is on steroids. Are his accusers denying the claim that he has undergone frequent random testing since his days as an amateur internationa,l because if they aren't, how do they suggest he has managed to evade justice?
...

The whole drug testing racket in crooked boxing is crooked too. Like they say in the Bronx, money talks bullshit walks.

x2x wrote: ↑18 Dec 2017, 22:08 ...

As for Joshua, he gained 30 pounds of muscle and zero fat in three years. Other boxers, like Dillon Whyte and Big Baby Miller, have come right out and said he's a drug user. He is also a convicted drug dealer. By contrast Povetkin is fighting at the exact same weight that he started at as a pro in 2005!

Don't just ignore all that when you are trying to say that Joshua never touched drugs...and yet it is a constant on here about "drugetkin" just because of a phony crooked Las Vegas Doc Goodman frame up so Wilder could get out of fighting him.

This thread, by the way, in case you didn't notice, is a takeoff on the earlier thread entitled, "Povetkin should stay away from Joshua ".

parker could hardly beat andy ruiz and hughie. hes nothing much at all. sloppy, open, no power at any meaningful level. povetkin stronger, better schooled , and imo still beats jjoe

Joshua should stay away from Povetkin, you say in the title? Povetkin is not getting a fight with Joshua or any champions.

There is no doubt that Joshua's promoter (or any promoter with a brain) will attach extremely strict drug testing conditions on Povetkin.

x2x wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 14:43

candyslim wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 03:29 Joshua is constantly being tested. Eddie Hearn said that in the run up to the Takam fight including on the day of the fight, Joshua was drug-tested 14 times by 4 different agencies including VADA and UKAD.
If this statement was bullshit there are people who would know that to be the case and would enjoy exposing it as such.

I've mentioned this twice before. Nobody has challenged this yet I still keep reading Joshua is on steroids. Are his accusers denying the claim that he has undergone frequent random testing since his days as an amateur internationa,l because if they aren't, how do they suggest he has managed to evade justice?
...

The whole drug testing racket in crooked boxing is crooked too. Like they say in the Bronx, money talks bullshit walks.

What are you suggesting, that UKAD are on the take and Joshua is buying them off? If not what are you saying?

Joshua should stay away from everyone.

candyslim wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 18:26

x2x wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 14:43

candyslim wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 03:29 Joshua is constantly being tested. Eddie Hearn said that in the run up to the Takam fight including on the day of the fight, Joshua was drug-tested 14 times by 4 different agencies including VADA and UKAD.
If this statement was bullshit there are people who would know that to be the case and would enjoy exposing it as such.

I've mentioned this twice before. Nobody has challenged this yet I still keep reading Joshua is on steroids. Are his accusers denying the claim that he has undergone frequent random testing since his days as an amateur internationa,l because if they aren't, how do they suggest he has managed to evade justice?
...

The whole drug testing racket in crooked boxing is crooked too. Like they say in the Bronx, money talks bullshit walks.

What are you suggesting, that UKAD are on the take and Joshua is buying them off? If not what are you saying?

I don't think Joshua is personally slipping money under the table buying anyone off, but he's a cash cow for the mugs who run the show, an "earner", as they say in the mafia. They're not going to want anyone interfering with the cash inflow, the asses filling up seats,, like some honest drug tester who doesn't know the "rules", or an outside party like the Russians.

brian13 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 18:20 Joshua should stay away from Povetkin, you say in the title? Povetkin is not getting a fight with Joshua or any champions.

There is no doubt that Joshua's promoter (or any promoter with a brain) will attach extremely strict drug testing conditions on Povetkin.

I wouldn't want to see any US or UK outfit, or any of their subsidiaries, running those "extremely strict drug testing conditions on Povetkin", but in such a case a Russian outfit can return the favor on Joshua. Then they can disqualify each other. Stupid phony politicized drug testing!

I fully get that Joshua's a cash cow, everyone wants a slice of the pie, and nobody wants to upset the apple cart, but UKAD and the BBBC aren't going to look the other way and give him a free pass. I'm not suggesting the UK is free from corruption, but we have a better record than most. When was the last time a visiting fighter was derailed in the UK by a suspect and possibly politically motivated drug test failure?

I'm on record here, and mightily pissed off our US contingent, by suggesting that Povetkin was stitched up in an effort to protect Wilder, and maybe Ortiz was too (although he should have declared his meds) Now the fight got cancelled, job done, no need to punish Ortiz any further. I'll look pretty silly if the Ortiz fight goes ahead but I'm skeptical. I mention this to show I'm not anti-Povetkin, I call things as I see them and I try always to be fair. I may come up a little short as regards Joshua - I am a bit of a fanboy I'm afraid.

Last point Joshua's drug conviction - very foolish, not at all impressive, but he was done for possession and intent to supply cannabis, he's hardly Pablo Escobar is he?

In the know 85 wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 18:45 Joshua should stay away from everyone.

And while on the subject of drugs ...

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑19 Dec 2017, 06:44 I don't believe personally that the amount of tests someone like Joshua undergoes prove anything, having heard the stories of the likes of Lance Armstrong and the Russian state doping (Icarus is a very interesting documentary). The fact is, testing is always one step behind those using, and there are a million and one masking agents that mean if you make enough money, generally you can get away with it. Armstrong never failed a test, he admitted it all

You're badly misinformed... Armstrong failed several tests and still refused for a long time to admit he used PEDs.... He kept insisting that people were lying about him and simply out to destroy him out of jealousy.... That's when they called him in to show him the specific tests that he failed, when he failed, how he failed, why he failed., and exactly what PEDs he was using.... They did this out of respect for Armstrong rather than sue him and destroy him in a courtroom.

Armstrong broke down crying because he knew the game was over.... All the lying about being a PED user was finally exposed though he fought to the last gasp....

Russia didn't make their athletes dope.... They didn't report many instances of athletes doping when they should have, and it was Russian insiders within their anti-doping agencies who brought this to light.... What happened is the whole of Russia suffered for the actions of a few individuals...

Joshua is NOT going to risk his professional status... which he believes will someday make him a billionaire.... by using PEDs and masking agents....both of which can be detected by tests... The fact ISN'T that testing is always one step behind those using, because athletes get caught all the time... Guys who thought they would get away with it but are nailed....

Why not concentrate on the cheaters??? Why not focus on Roy Jones, James Toney, Fernando Vargas, Antonio Tarver, Lamont Pederson... Andre Berto, Dillian Whyte, Eric Morales, Bermane Stiverne, and the other North Americas and Brits who've been caught, instead of a Brit who's passed 100's of test with flying colors and wouldn't dream of cheating?? It doesn't make any sense to keep attacking the innocent when there's plenty of guilty boxers out there.

Chippo wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 04:44 I agree. We can speculate all we like but until he fails a test, there's nothing in this apart from "his gut looks a bit swollen."

I wish my gut looked as swollen as Joshua's. I'm a self-confessed drug taker not so much performance enhancing or even recreational, more like poor performance mitigational

PEDvetkin could not hurt bums like Hammer or Rudenko lmao Those guys are 40 levels behind Anthony Joshua.


Also Joshua unlike Povetkin KNOCKED THE fornicate OUT Grabomir The Boring Doctor Clinschko.


Povetkin got knocked down by a jab in 2nd round.

Overrated small bum


Eastern Europe fighters are not even close to be on British level of BOXING.

IronFrost wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 07:46 PEDvetkin could not hurt bums like Hammer or Rudenko lmao Those guys are 40 levels behind Anthony Joshua.


Also Joshua unlike Povetkin KNOCKED THE eff OUT Grabomir The Boring Doctor Clinschko.


Povetkin got knocked down by a jab in 2nd round.

Overrated small bum


Eastern Europe fighters are not even close to be on British level of BOXING.

Then why don't they fight each other? I think that AJ his biggest money making match left is Povetkin. Unless Tyson Fury, who trained against Rico Verhoeven in the Netherlands for his Klitschko victory at the time, comes back at serious level.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 09:36

IronFrost wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 07:46 PEDvetkin could not hurt bums like Hammer or Rudenko lmao Those guys are 40 levels behind Anthony Joshua.


Also Joshua unlike Povetkin KNOCKED THE eff OUT Grabomir The Boring Doctor Clinschko.


Povetkin got knocked down by a jab in 2nd round.

Overrated small bum


Eastern Europe fighters are not even close to be on British level of BOXING.

Then why don't they fight each other? I think that AJ his biggest money making match left is Povetkin. Unless Tyson Fury, who trained against Rico Verhoeven in the Netherlands for his Klitschko victory at the time, comes back at serious level.

HEARN already mentioned Povetkin and he is the mandatory for WBA belt. He will get his chance. Hearn ducked Ortiz tho ;)

IronFrost wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 10:23Hearn ducked Ortiz tho ;)

Can you please provide some evidence to prove your theory?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 11:10

IronFrost wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 10:23Hearn ducked Ortiz tho ;)

Can you please provide some evidence to prove your theory?

They choosed fake fight against Pulev over Ortiz.

Than WBA banned Luis Ortiz for some odd reason. Hearn paid them for sure .

Ffs how many more times must we endure fools complaining Joshua ducked Ortiz? AJ was IBF champion. He was given leave to fight Klitschko provided he fought their mandatory next. Never an organisation to look away from the promise of a nice fat sanctioning fee, possibly several, the WBA graciously agreed to recognize the fight for their vacant title.

In what world should their mandatory leap-frog the IBF 's? Joshua was going to defend against the WBA mandatory next fight after his IBF mandatory in Spring 2018. That was going to be Ortiz but he bravely decided he could beat Wilder then get a bigger share of the Joshua unification pot as the WBC champion.
However you apportion blame for Ortiz being left in limbo, it was no fault of Joshua's. His obligation is now to fight Povetkin.

I don't know why I waste my time repeating this because you can bet your arse some know-nothing dipshit will be peddling the same old bollocks before the week is out.

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 11:43 Ffs how many more times must we endure fools complaining Joshua ducked Ortiz? AJ was IBF champion. He was given leave to fight Klitschko provided he fought their mandatory next. Never an organisation to look away from the promise of a nice fat sanctioning fee, possibly several, the WBA graciously agreed to recognize the fight for their vacant title.

In what world should their mandatory leap-frog the IBF 's? Joshua was going to defend against the WBA mandatory next fight after his IBF mandatory in Spring 2018. That was going to be Ortiz but he bravely decided he could beat Wilder then get a bigger share of the Joshua unification pot as the WBC champion.
However you apportion blame for Ortiz being left in limbo, it was no fault of Joshua's. His obligation is now to fight Povetkin.

I don't know why I waste my time repeating this because you can bet your arse some know-nothing dipshit will be peddling the same old bollocks before the week is out.

Triggered AJ fanboys Ortiz called Joshua bilion times but they defended his belt against Breazale or Molina for example Those are facts

IronFrost wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 11:42

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 11:10

IronFrost wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 10:23Hearn ducked Ortiz tho ;)

Can you please provide some evidence to prove your theory?

They choosed fake fight against Pulev over Ortiz.

Than WBA banned Luis Ortiz for some odd reason. Hearn paid them for sure .

The WBA were more flexible in allowing AJ to defend his IBF strap against Kubrat Pulev instead of mandating an immediate fight against Luis Ortiz.

Also, Luis Ortiz renounced his WBA mandatory challenger status when he agreed to face Deontay Wilder instead of seeking an opportunity to fight Anthony Joshua.

The WBA banned Luis Ortiz for testing positive for consuming a banned substance, which he did not disclose to VADA… and nor did he disclose his alleged medical condition and nor did he request an exemption to continue taking these drugs.

This was the second time the Cuban failed a drug test and he didn’t lodge an appeal with the WBA about his most recent suspension according to their deadline… and they only made their decision about the ban after he failed to communicate with them.

The WBC’s own physicians thoroughly tested Ortiz and stated that there was no evidence whatsoever of the Cuban having high blood pressure, but they still chose to take the word of Luis’ elderly doctor and decided to let him off with a fine instead.

So what? He was a young inexperienced champion with sixteen professional fights behind him yet you think he should have made his first defence against the bogeyman of the division?

You don't think that's an unreasonable expectation?

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Dec 2017, 12:04 So what? He was a young inexperienced champion with sixteen professional fights behind him yet you think he should have made his first defence against the bogeyman of the division?

You don't think that's an unreasonable expectation?

Ask Luis Ortiz what he thinks about AJ ;)