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Wilder has the advantage in terms of style. Ortiz is a counter puncher, but he's not as lazy as Stiverne. Ortiz is also old as hell. Povetkin would've been the more dangerous fight. He's a lot more aggressive, and the version that was going through guys like Charr and Takam would've destroyed Wilder.

Ortiz either KO's Wilder or loses by UD imo.

@jamamb:

It's not funny at all. Three years ago Ortiz absolutely annihilated a very promising Bryant Jennings followed by the capable Tony Thompson. Since then he has looked comparatively ineffectual against 'reverse 100 metre champion' Malik Scott, and the courageous but limited novice, Dave Allen. At thirty-eight (yeah, right - and the rest) it's not unreasonable to suppose that Ortiz is no longer Ortiz.

Is there anything in Wilder's record that leads you to believe Wilder would willingly take on a formidable fighter when he wasn't being forced to? Haymon obviously thinks Ortiz is ripe for the taking, if indeed they are serious about wanting the fight.

If the fight goes ahead then Wilder will deserve credit for fighting who may still be the most dangerous opponent he could face aside from AJ, but let's wait and see if they (AH/DW) are for real and that the fight actually takes place before we sound the fanfares can we?

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 21:09 Wilder has the advantage in terms of style. Ortiz is a counter puncher, but he's not as lazy as Stiverne. Ortiz is also old as hell. Povetkin would've been the more dangerous fight. He's a lot more aggressive, and the version that was going through guys like Charr and Takam would've destroyed Wilder.

Ortiz either KO's Wilder or loses by UD imo.

No Povetkin has short reach lmao. Ortiz is much dangerous.

Reach means a lot if two top fighters fight

Another beautifully reasoned appraisal that I have come to expect from Mr acid, Saad of the deck.

See ... you can do it when you try. You don't need to be queen bitch all the time.

Why did you delete your post Saad? It was a reasonable opinion and not designed to cause offence. I liked it.

He must be slowing down - Him and Ortiz both huh?

Mod troll ... Now you have my attention. I'm intrigued.

Oh I see both posts got deleted, I didn't notice the shitty one went too. I do wish they wouldn't do that because everything that follows loses all context and makes the respondent look like a nutter. Oh well, I'm sure I'll live.

Yes it is a lot of effort. I appreciate it

Why are all Saad's posts getting deleted? The first one was a bit offensive to me personally no one else, but I'm a big boy, it's water off a duck's back to me.

Nothing he said after that justified deletion and strikes me as victimization of one of the more knowledgeable posters on the forum. It can't be right.

IronFrost wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 03:12

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 21:09 Wilder has the advantage in terms of style. Ortiz is a counter puncher, but he's not as lazy as Stiverne. Ortiz is also old as hell. Povetkin would've been the more dangerous fight. He's a lot more aggressive, and the version that was going through guys like Charr and Takam would've destroyed Wilder.

Ortiz either KO's Wilder or loses by UD imo.

No Povetkin has short reach lmao. Ortiz is much dangerous.

Reach means a lot if two top fighters fight

It does but Wilder isn't not a top fighter. He's not on Povetkin's level.

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 08:58 Why are all Saad's posts getting deleted? The first one was a bit offensive to me personally no one else, but I'm a big boy, it's water off a duck's back to me.

Nothing he said after that justified deletion and strikes me as victimization of one of the more knowledgeable posters on the forum. It can't be right.

:rofl Only one I see caring is you. Guy never has anything productive to say. I'm glad this forum finally figured out that dude's posts are just a bunch of shit.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 09:07

IronFrost wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 03:12

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Dec 2017, 21:09 Wilder has the advantage in terms of style. Ortiz is a counter puncher, but he's not as lazy as Stiverne. Ortiz is also old as hell. Povetkin would've been the more dangerous fight. He's a lot more aggressive, and the version that was going through guys like Charr and Takam would've destroyed Wilder.

Ortiz either KO's Wilder or loses by UD imo.

No Povetkin has short reach lmao. Ortiz is much dangerous.

Reach means a lot if two top fighters fight

It does but Wilder isn't not a top fighter. He's not on Povetkin's level.

Oh boy than tell us who those "TOP" fighters are?


Rudenko and Hammer are on Povetkin's level?

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 09:19

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 08:58 Why are all Saad's posts getting deleted? The first one was a bit offensive to me personally no one else, but I'm a big boy, it's water off a duck's back to me.

Nothing he said after that justified deletion and strikes me as victimization of one of the more knowledgeable posters on the forum. It can't be right.

:rofl Only one I see caring is you. Guy never has anything productive to say. I'm glad this forum finally figured out that dude's posts are just a bunch of poo.

That's a bit harsh Mex. I grant you he can be a bit abrasive if your opinion offends him, but he knows his boxing.

Besides I don't like to see anyone banned, muzzled, or censored without a damn good reason, and I do mean anyone whether I think they're a fine poster or a complete A-hole or anywhere in between.

IronFrost wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 11:31

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 09:07

IronFrost wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 03:12



No Povetkin has short reach lmao. Ortiz is much dangerous.

Reach means a lot if two top fighters fight

It does but Wilder isn't not a top fighter. He's not on Povetkin's level.

Oh boy than tell us who those "TOP" fighters are?


Rudenko and Hammer are on Povetkin's level?

The division is horrible at the moment. Wilder being anywhere in the top 10 shows how garbage it is currently. Povetkin and Joshua are really the only standouts.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 16:24

IronFrost wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 11:31

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 09:07

It does but Wilder isn't not a top fighter. He's not on Povetkin's level.

Oh boy than tell us who those "TOP" fighters are?


Rudenko and Hammer are on Povetkin's level?

The division is horrible at the moment. Wilder being anywhere in the top 10 shows how garbage it is currently. Povetkin and Joshua are really the only standouts.

Just as I predicted. If Wilder wins, the division is crap. Joshua AND Povetkin are the standouts? I would be less shocked if you would have said Ortiz instead of Povetkin. Povetkin had his ass handed to him by an over the hill Wlad....easily.

Badhusker wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 21:07

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 16:24

IronFrost wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 11:31


Oh boy than tell us who those "TOP" fighters are?


Rudenko and Hammer are on Povetkin's level?

The division is horrible at the moment. Wilder being anywhere in the top 10 shows how garbage it is currently. Povetkin and Joshua are really the only standouts.

Just as I predicted. If Wilder wins, the division is crap. Joshua AND Povetkin are the standouts? I would be less shocked if you would have said Ortiz instead of Povetkin. Povetkin had his ass handed to him by an over the hill Wlad....easily.

Are you kidding me? Klitschko broke all the damn rules of boxing by becoming a human octopus. He was leaning on Povetkin with all his weight a lot of the times. It was a travesty. Klitschko should've been disqualified by any sane referee. Also, that was Klitschko at his optimal prime. He comes back to put a vicious beating on Pulev. Do you even watch boxing? That was not an over-the-hill Klitschko. That sounds like clueless garbage.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 21:58

Badhusker wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 21:07

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 16:24
The division is horrible at the moment. Wilder being anywhere in the top 10 shows how garbage it is currently. Povetkin and Joshua are really the only standouts.

Just as I predicted. If Wilder wins, the division is crap. Joshua AND Povetkin are the standouts? I would be less shocked if you would have said Ortiz instead of Povetkin. Povetkin had his ass handed to him by an over the hill Wlad....easily.

Are you kidding me? Klitschko broke all the damn rules of boxing by becoming a human octopus. He was leaning on Povetkin with all his weight a lot of the times. It was a travesty. Klitschko should've been disqualified by any sane referee. Also, that was Klitschko at his optimal prime. He comes back to put a vicious beating on Pulev. Do you even watch boxing? That was not an over-the-hill Klitschko. That sounds like clueless garbage.

Sure it was an ugly fight, but Wlad had the right strategy with Povetkin's style of constantly rushing in. If a guy comes in like Povetkin does with his head in your chest, or in Wlad's armpit, the smart thing to do is tie them up so you don't get hit with a blind punch like Povetkin hit Perez with. By Povetkin rushing in, I looked at it like he was initiating most of the clinches. It wasn't like Wlad came to him and tied him up. He wanted to fight from a distance and Povetkin did not.

By the way, Povetkin didn't cry about the fouling afterwards. He said "Things didn't quite go as well as I wanted, but I never give up. Of course, he was the better fighter, he's the best in the world, that's clear.
Wlad was what, 37 or 38 when they finally fought after Povetkin ducked him for 5 years. How many guys are in their prime at that age? When you are that much better than your opponent, it may look like you are prime, but he was not.

Badhusker wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 10:43

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 21:58

Badhusker wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 21:07

Just as I predicted. If Wilder wins, the division is crap. Joshua AND Povetkin are the standouts? I would be less shocked if you would have said Ortiz instead of Povetkin. Povetkin had his ass handed to him by an over the hill Wlad....easily.

Are you kidding me? Klitschko broke all the damn rules of boxing by becoming a human octopus. He was leaning on Povetkin with all his weight a lot of the times. It was a travesty. Klitschko should've been disqualified by any sane referee. Also, that was Klitschko at his optimal prime. He comes back to put a vicious beating on Pulev. Do you even watch boxing? That was not an over-the-hill Klitschko. That sounds like clueless garbage.

Sure it was an ugly fight, but Wlad had the right strategy with Povetkin's style of constantly rushing in. If a guy comes in like Povetkin does with his head in your chest, or in Wlad's armpit, the smart thing to do is tie them up so you don't get hit with a blind punch like Povetkin hit Perez with. By Povetkin rushing in, I looked at it like he was initiating most of the clinches. It wasn't like Wlad came to him and tied him up. He wanted to fight from a distance and Povetkin did not.

By the way, Povetkin didn't cry about the fouling afterwards. He said "Things didn't quite go as well as I wanted, but I never give up. Of course, he was the better fighter, he's the best in the world, that's clear.
Wlad was what, 37 or 38 when they finally fought after Povetkin ducked him for 5 years. How many guys are in their prime at that age? When you are that much better than your opponent, it may look like you are prime, but he was not.

I don't care what Povetkin says. Klitschko broke all the damn rules of the sport that night. As I said, that should've been a DQ win by Povetkin. The fact that you are justifying it at all shows you are just too stubborn to accept my facts.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 10:52

Badhusker wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 10:43

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑22 Dec 2017, 21:58

Are you kidding me? Klitschko broke all the damn rules of boxing by becoming a human octopus. He was leaning on Povetkin with all his weight a lot of the times. It was a travesty. Klitschko should've been disqualified by any sane referee. Also, that was Klitschko at his optimal prime. He comes back to put a vicious beating on Pulev. Do you even watch boxing? That was not an over-the-hill Klitschko. That sounds like clueless garbage.

Sure it was an ugly fight, but Wlad had the right strategy with Povetkin's style of constantly rushing in. If a guy comes in like Povetkin does with his head in your chest, or in Wlad's armpit, the smart thing to do is tie them up so you don't get hit with a blind punch like Povetkin hit Perez with. By Povetkin rushing in, I looked at it like he was initiating most of the clinches. It wasn't like Wlad came to him and tied him up. He wanted to fight from a distance and Povetkin did not.

By the way, Povetkin didn't cry about the fouling afterwards. He said "Things didn't quite go as well as I wanted, but I never give up. Of course, he was the better fighter, he's the best in the world, that's clear.
Wlad was what, 37 or 38 when they finally fought after Povetkin ducked him for 5 years. How many guys are in their prime at that age? When you are that much better than your opponent, it may look like you are prime, but he was not.

I don't care what Povetkin says. Klitschko broke all the damn rules of the sport that night. As I said, that should've been a DQ win by Povetkin. The fact that you are justifying it at all shows you are just too stubborn to accept my facts.

To me it is a judgement call of who actually initiates the clinches. If it was Wlad that came to Povetkin and tied him up I would agree with you. Watch the fight again. Guys like Povetkin and Shawn Porter can't fight for shit unless they bull their way in close. Smart boxers hit them, tie them up, and start again after the ref separates them. I guess I am stubborn. I cannot stand watching guys with styles that prefer to wrestle more than box, and hope for a looping hook or over-hand right to land.

Badhusker wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 11:06

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 10:52

Badhusker wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 10:43

Sure it was an ugly fight, but Wlad had the right strategy with Povetkin's style of constantly rushing in. If a guy comes in like Povetkin does with his head in your chest, or in Wlad's armpit, the smart thing to do is tie them up so you don't get hit with a blind punch like Povetkin hit Perez with. By Povetkin rushing in, I looked at it like he was initiating most of the clinches. It wasn't like Wlad came to him and tied him up. He wanted to fight from a distance and Povetkin did not.

By the way, Povetkin didn't cry about the fouling afterwards. He said "Things didn't quite go as well as I wanted, but I never give up. Of course, he was the better fighter, he's the best in the world, that's clear.
Wlad was what, 37 or 38 when they finally fought after Povetkin ducked him for 5 years. How many guys are in their prime at that age? When you are that much better than your opponent, it may look like you are prime, but he was not.

I don't care what Povetkin says. Klitschko broke all the damn rules of the sport that night. As I said, that should've been a DQ win by Povetkin. The fact that you are justifying it at all shows you are just too stubborn to accept my facts.

To me it is a judgement call of who actually initiates the clinches. If it was Wlad that came to Povetkin and tied him up I would agree with you. Watch the fight again. Guys like Povetkin and Shawn Porter can't fight for poo unless they bull their way in close. Smart boxers hit them, tie them up, and start again after the ref separates them. I guess I am stubborn. I cannot stand watching guys with styles that prefer to wrestle more than box, and hope for a looping hook or over-hand right to land.

You basically call cheaters smart? No wonder Wilder never makes real money while AJ is seen as the best boxers of the entire world. Povetkin is currently the rank 2 of the world and no wonder, he never clinches or does silly things like that and even gives his opponent a second chance if he's in a weak position because of an injury for example.

Imagine me saying "smart people hire someone with a gun, to shoot their opponent as soon as the match starts, then you will always win, even if you're worser"