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Posted: **14 Jan 2018, 19:32**

Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 19:23
Kalan wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 17:41
IronFrost wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 06:04 [Parker] is better than Takam or Whyte in every aspect. This will be hard competive 12 rounds fight
It won't be... Parker is going out... AJ is going to be loaded for bear in this fight.

Parker is better than Whyte, but Joshua has grown leaps and bounds since the Whyte fight... AJ dominated Whyte, easily winning 6 of 7 rounds... He scored a devastating KO... Whyte had a good 2nd round, but Joshua was fighting an unbeaten Heavyweight who had more fights than he did .... and he's not supposed to get hit a good shot???

Same way with the Wladimir Klitschko fight... I've never seen Waldimir engage that courageously against any opponent... He landed a lot of great punches and absorbed many also... The massive criticism he got from the Fury "sparring session" drove him in the Joshua fight.. He took big chances against a devastating hitter after taking zero chances against a good hitter. It almost won him the fight, but Joshua is a good thinker... He cleverly took a step back to take 2 more steps forward.

I had Takam beating Parker and driving him around the ring landing big right hands... I don't see how you give Parker the Takam and Ruiz fights... He got outscored with effective punching... This fight has a more neutral setting than Parker is used to. The fans are going to be cheering for Joshua instead screaming for Parker's ineffectual swings.
What many, including yourself forget to realize is that the only reason AJ won the fight vs the 41 year old Wlad is because of a tactical error on behalf of Wlad. He had AJ out on his feet for at least 2 rounds. Lets not forget that fact.

I'm not certain that it was tactical on Klitschko's part.

There's a problem with being a 41-year-old fighter.

You can't always position yourself correctly, or get your punches off to finish a fight.

A younger Wlad would have finished off Joshua.

An aged Wlad had his opportunities but couldn't pull that trigger.

Posted: **14 Jan 2018, 19:45**

Cant see parker being too much of a problem for aj. I think Joshua wins within the first 6 as parker will be too easy to hit.

Posted: **14 Jan 2018, 20:45**

Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 11:43 The only advantages I see that Parker has over AJ are stamina and chin, and those aren't necessarily bad on Joshua's part. Until Joshua gets KO'd or loses because of those two flaws, he is just fine. He has every other advantage, so he should win.

Will Parker taste the canvas for the first time in the amateurs and pros, including sparring? Very likely imo. If Parker is lucky enough to knock AJ down, hopefully he doesn't coast like Wlad did.

Stamina , chin

He’s also has faster hand speed .

If you get a big stiff powerful body builder and put them in the ring and call them Joshua .. that doesn’t make them good at boxing .

WK was well past his prime when he fought AJ.

Posted: **14 Jan 2018, 22:49**

Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 19:23
Kalan wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 17:41
IronFrost wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 06:04 [Parker] is better than Takam or Whyte in every aspect. This will be hard competive 12 rounds fight
It won't be... Parker is going out... AJ is going to be loaded for bear in this fight.

Parker is better than Whyte, but Joshua has grown leaps and bounds since the Whyte fight... AJ dominated Whyte, easily winning 6 of 7 rounds... He scored a devastating KO... Whyte had a good 2nd round, but Joshua was fighting an unbeaten Heavyweight who had more fights than he did .... and he's not supposed to get hit a good shot???

Same way with the Wladimir Klitschko fight... I've never seen Waldimir engage that courageously against any opponent... He landed a lot of great punches and absorbed many also... The massive criticism he got from the Fury "sparring session" drove him in the Joshua fight.. He took big chances against a devastating hitter after taking zero chances against a good hitter. It almost won him the fight, but Joshua is a good thinker... He cleverly took a step back to take 2 more steps forward.

I had Takam beating Parker and driving him around the ring landing big right hands... I don't see how you give Parker the Takam and Ruiz fights... He got outscored with effective punching... This fight has a more neutral setting than Parker is used to. The fans are going to be cheering for Joshua instead screaming for Parker's ineffectual swings.
What many, including yourself forget to realize is that the only reason AJ won the fight vs the 41 year old Wlad is because of a tactical error on behalf of Wlad. He had AJ out on his feet for at least 2 rounds. Lets not forget that fact

Wlad made no tactical errors... He did his best to put AJ down for the count... Joshua was NOT out of his feet... He was extremely alert the whole time he was hurt... He ducked and slipped many big punches... He didn't get tagged with a devastating shot again while he was in that condition... That is not attributable to Klitschko – who would have finished off about anybody who was in that situation – that was purely attributable to the cleverness, defensive skills, and physical resistance of AJ.

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 04:54**

Parker has showed me enough in the few fights that i've seen him in. I think that this will be a solid work day for AJ and anything is possible when a heavyweight lands a punch but it will all come down to how Parker handles the bright lights that AJ is getting used to preforming under.

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 05:29**

Parker's mum was on the TV news tonight crying because Joe signed up to fight AJ.
I sh*t you not

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 05:35**

IronFrost wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 06:04 He is better than Takam or Whyte in every aspect. This will be hard competive 12 rounds fight

He's looked pretty crap against Takam, Ruiz and Fury H. I don't think he'll be much trouble for Joshua.

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 05:46**

I don’t expect Anthony Joshua to dispose of Joseph Parker during the early rounds, because the Kiwi has a proven track-record of being pretty durable.

I expect AJ to use his size, superior work-rate and ramrod jab to win every round and inflict a lot of punishment, whereby the cumulative effect will either result in a lop-sided decision victory (assuming the New Zealander loses ambition and tries to survive) or a late stoppage (due to Parker’s corner or the ref stopping the fight at some point during the last three rounds).

I don’t believe that Parker has enough skills to avoid Joshua’s relentless onslaught, take the Brit into deep waters and drown him late on, but this doesn’t mean that he won’t try, so expect a cautious start from the Kiwi during the early stages of the bout.

I doubt that Joseph Parker has enough power to hurt AJ at any point during the fight, unless the excessively muscled Joshua somehow runs out of gas, which isn’t beyond the realms of possibility.

Hearn, McCracken and Joshua himself were targeting a weight in the region of 236lbs for the Kubrat Pulev fight, but ended-up weighing 254lbs instead against Carlos Takam (the Bulgarian’s replacement).

So if the Brit continues to gain weight then he may be unable to perform at optimal levels, resulting in a lower-than-normal work-rate, the use of the jab occasionally dipping during certain rounds, a distinct lack of head movement and also an inability to cut the ring off (as per Joshua’s stylistic flaws displayed during the Takam fight).

Therefore, Parker’s best chance to defy the betting odds and score an upset over the Brit, is if AJ enters the ring around the 255lbs+ mark. I don’t give the Kiwi any chance of victory against a 236lb version of Joshua, because he may be provided with more opportunities against a 255lbs+ fatigued version of the Brit.

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 05:50**

do the ppl saying that parker has a better chin know that he was hurt by marcelo nascimento. even if jp does, aj hits so much harder that practically i dont think its really an advantage

in other words, aj would hurt parker easier even if on an absolute scale parker takes a better shot, which is hugely debatable btw

my thing too is that jp does have fast hands, but i dont think his footwork or defense are good enough to get him far if he tries the skillful elusive route

i just struggle to see anything but josh. ive just never thought joe was any better than an okay lower topnten guy who gets rated more attention than comparable fighters for having an abc belt

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 05:57**

put it this way:

what fights of joes should i watch to find evidence that this wont end up being a mismatch

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 06:03**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 05:46 I don’t expect Anthony Joshua to dispose of Joseph Parker during the early rounds, because the Kiwi has a proven track-record of being pretty durable.

I expect AJ to use his size, superior work-rate and ramrod jab to win every round and inflict a lot of punishment, whereby the cumulative effect will either result in a lop-sided decision victory (assuming the New Zealander loses ambition and tries to survive) or a late stoppage (due to Parker’s corner or the ref stopping the fight at some point during the last three rounds).

I don’t believe that Parker has enough skills to avoid Joshua’s relentless onslaught, take the Brit into deep waters and drown him late on, but this doesn’t mean that he won’t try, so expect a cautious start from the Kiwi during the early stages of the bout.

I doubt that Joseph Parker has enough power to hurt AJ at any point during the fight, unless the excessively muscled Joshua somehow runs out of gas, which isn’t beyond the realms of possibility.

Hearn, McCracken and Joshua himself were targeting a weight in the region of 236lbs for the Kubrat Pulev fight, but ended-up weighing 254lbs instead against Carlos Takam (the Bulgarian’s replacement).

So if the Brit continues to gain weight then he may be unable to perform at optimal levels, resulting in a lower-than-normal work-rate, the use of the jab occasionally dipping during certain rounds, a distinct lack of head movement and also an inability to cut the ring off (as per Joshua’s stylistic flaws displayed during the Takam fight).

Therefore, Parker’s best chance to defy the betting odds and score an upset over the Brit, is if AJ enters the ring around the 255lbs+ mark. I don’t give the Kiwi any chance of victory against a 236lb version of Joshua, because he may be provided with more opportunities against a 255lbs+ fatigued version of the Brit.

Psst!
(You forgot to mention the height and reach AJ has over Parker)

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 06:35**

Parker has never been hit as hard as Anthony Joshua is going to deliver before. Parker's record while unbeaten is very complimentary but his record only suggests this if you do not look that those he has beat. Parker never bothered Hughie Fury (saying that fury didnt bother Parker either) once over the 12 rounds in Manchester last time out. It wasnt exactly a slugfest but he is going to come underfire against Joshua from the off as AJ will not stand off for 12 rounds doing bugger all

Apart from Fury on his record there is only Takam and Ruiz Jr of note and both fights went the 12 rounds suggesting Parker is not a big puncher and would rather go the full route to get the decision.

Come 31st March Parker will feel the full force of the power he has to defend against so we will know what his chin is like. If he can take those punches it could go 3 or 4 rounds but im going to have a cheeky fiver on a round 2 knock out in AJ's favour.

Parker has been holding out for more money in this fight and there is a perfectly good reason why. Once fight night over Parker can go on to be a well off character on the back of a WBO title and can either retire comfortably or go back to the titles such as WBO Oriental Heavyweight Title or WBC Eurasia Pacific Boxing Council Heavyweight Title to contest in.

Personally I have seen nothing that suggests Parker has the tools to put AJ on his arse.

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 09:28**

Pieman Parker will knock Roidrage Joshua out cold

Posted: **15 Jan 2018, 22:47**

I wish Parker showed more in his previous fights. I’d have to agree with candy re: the Fury fight. If it was scored like an amateur fight from years ago, counting the clean punches then Fury should have edged rounds by one of two punches. Which was probably how many punches he landed in full rounds.

EO raises interesting points about AJs weight. If Aj is addicted to body building like Arnie was and gets bigger and bigger, it’s not a good thing.

Regardless, I feel Parker will cause some problems as he’ll come to fight. He’s more skilful than breazeal who came to fight. He’s less defensive then Takam which will either be a good or bad thing, fight fire with fire or walk onto punches. He’ll be much more game then Molina and the prince. I’d also say he’s faster and more powerful than Chisoras shadow D Whyte. I feel like this will be a good fun fight while it lasts and good for boxing. I’m also hoping for an upset but I’ll wait for the weigh in to think more.

Posted: **22 Jan 2018, 19:41**

In the few times Parker has come to England he has made some friends. He has use of the Haymaker gym if he wants, and did so for the Hughie fight. He also has kicked it off with Tyson, who has offered to spar, and give any help he can with Joe as they are both in training camps. This after Joe asked Tyson to walk him to the ring.

I wonder if this assistance from Haye and Tyson has the motive of helping Joe against AJ, or he just makes friends fast

Tyson has always been complementary about Parker, which makes a stark contrast to his comments about nearly every other HW out there

Posted: **22 Jan 2018, 20:01**

Parker will come to fight and is durable enough to put Joshua to the test. An interesting fight in the making.

Posted: **24 Jan 2018, 14:51**

AJ needs to drop a stone. He beats Parker, but it will be competitive.

Parker is durable and will come to fight. But, what puncher has he fought? None. He’s also open defensively and his power has left some question marks.

However, it’s a good fight.

I just feel the purse negotiations speak volumes. The most £ to surrender his title...

Posted: **24 Jan 2018, 15:04**

Parker is about 2 levels below world level. AJ will smoke him within a few rounds. Wilder is a whole different matter. Thats a really interesting fight. DW is dangerous.

Posted: **24 Jan 2018, 15:06**

It's a fair assessment that both these guys will be coming into this fight lighter. Both have spoken about it, as have their trainers.
Parker is a fairly mobile HW, Joshua will have to move to land.
All that bodes for an all action, high paced fight- fan friendly. Can't complain about that

As for Parker signing away his belt for the most money he can. Bollocks.
It's business. Parker and his team want this fight. They petitioned in every way they could to get it.
They genuinely believe Parker can win.
Can we at least give Parker the credit for wanting this, in an age where 'champions' hold onto their belts by taking guaranteed wins?
Let's see how long it takes for Wilder to step up, and what roadblocks he puts in front of facing AJ...

Posted: **24 Jan 2018, 16:07**

Wilder's ready, willing and able once he disposes of Ortiz.

Now Joshua has to step up and back off his demands for the lion's share of the purse.

Otherwise no go.

Posted: **24 Jan 2018, 16:33**

reported that 70k tickets akready sold to this

Posted: **24 Jan 2018, 20:02**

SenorPipino wrote: ↑24 Jan 2018, 16:07 Wilder's ready, willing and able once he disposes of Ortiz.

Now Joshua has to step up and back off his demands for the lion's share of the purse.

Otherwise no go.

Pretty funny. The money involved in the Wilder v Ortiz fight would be like a pimple on a pumpkin compared to Joshua v Parker. Wilder couldn't attract 70,000 to a fight if he fought naked and tap danced between rounds.

The money split for Joshua v Parker is about right and Wilder shouldn't reasonably expect more. That is unless he is dodging.

Posted: **25 Jan 2018, 20:34**

He hold a championship, like Joshua.

He's undefeated, like Joshua.

He's knocked out every man, he's faced, like Joshua.

The fight would likely be in the US, where it's Joshua who couldn't draw flies, except for the Brits who may journey across the pond.

So no. Wilder and Haymon are businessmen. They know exactly what the WBC champ brings to the dance. No less than 50/50.

And if Joshua and Hearn want to assume the the prima donna role (and actually I put most of the blame on Hearn who is risking the payday of a lifetime for Joshua by playing a ridiculous game of hardball) and insult Wilder with a 33% offer then there will be no fight.

A non-entity like Parker may be happily willing to accept 33% vs. Joshua.

But an unbeaten KO artist like Wilder---one of boxing's most exciting fighters---wouldn't and shouldn't lower himself to that level.

Posted: **25 Jan 2018, 21:19**

You know what would be funny as hell?

Parker beating Joshua, and Ortiz beating Wilder. Would that make them both B sides if negotiating to fight?

Makes me wonder if either guy has a rematch clause.

Posted: **26 Jan 2018, 05:59**

SenorPipino wrote: ↑25 Jan 2018, 20:34 He hold a championship, like Joshua.

He's undefeated, like Joshua.

He's knocked out every man, he's faced, like Joshua.

The fight would likely be in the US, where it's Joshua who couldn't draw flies, except for the Brits who may journey across the pond.

So no. Wilder and Haymon are businessmen. They know exactly what the WBC champ brings to the dance. No less than 50/50.

And if Joshua and Hearn want to assume the the prima donna role (and actually I put most of the blame on Hearn who is risking the payday of a lifetime for Joshua by playing a ridiculous game of hardball) and insult Wilder with a 33% offer then there will be no fight.

A non-entity like Parker may be happily willing to accept 33% vs. Joshua.

But an unbeaten KO artist like Wilder---one of boxing's most exciting fighters---wouldn't and shouldn't lower himself to that level.

Without that belt Wilder would be ranked around 8 at the division. Hes beaten no one of note.

Hes not a draw either. Making only pennies compared to Joshua.

50/50 is crazy talk

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