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mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:27 Watched live Haye defending his European in front of maybe 200 people in a leisure centre... Most of whom Spud gave tickets to. Watched Josh in front of 3-4,000 at The MEN. No denying Josh has crossed over, but let's not pretend Haye was a huge seller.... He made his debut against my friend at The York Hall, it wasn't full. Far from it.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:34

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:27 Watched live Haye defending his European in front of maybe 200 people in a leisure centre... Most of whom Spud gave tickets to. Watched Josh in front of 3-4,000 at The MEN. No denying Josh has crossed over, but let's not pretend Haye was a huge seller.... He made his debut against my friend at The York Hall, it wasn't full. Far from it.

It seems ridiculous to have to clarify this but just to confirm, you don’t consider David Haye, in 2018, assuming that he boxes, a ticket seller?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:54

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:34

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:27 Watched live Haye defending his European in front of maybe 200 people in a leisure centre... Most of whom Spud gave tickets to. Watched Josh in front of 3-4,000 at The MEN. No denying Josh has crossed over, but let's not pretend Haye was a huge seller.... He made his debut against my friend at The York Hall, it wasn't full. Far from it.

It seems ridiculous to have to clarify this but just to confirm, you don’t consider David Haye, in 2018, assuming that he boxes, a ticket seller?

I said let's not pretend he was. He's crossed over now. He was selling nothing whilst world class.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:54

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:34

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:27 Watched live Haye defending his European in front of maybe 200 people in a leisure centre... Most of whom Spud gave tickets to. Watched Josh in front of 3-4,000 at The MEN. No denying Josh has crossed over, but let's not pretend Haye was a huge seller.... He made his debut against my friend at The York Hall, it wasn't full. Far from it.

It seems ridiculous to have to clarify this but just to confirm, you don’t consider David Haye, in 2018, assuming that he boxes, a ticket seller?

I said let's not pretend he was. He's crossed over now. He was selling nothing whilst world class.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 13:01

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:54

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:34

It seems ridiculous to have to clarify this but just to confirm, you don’t consider David Haye, in 2018, assuming that he boxes, a ticket seller?

I said let's not pretend he was. He's crossed over now. He was selling nothing whilst world class.

Well in that case it’s also worth pointing out that before Haye was a boxer he didn’t sell many tickets either and he wasn’t always over 6’ tall

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 13:43 Haye is clearly a huge ticket seller and has been ever since he hit world level.

Anyone saying he isn’t clearly has a agenda.

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 14:01

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 13:43 Haye is clearly a huge ticket seller and has been ever since he hit world level.

Anyone saying he isn’t clearly has a agenda.

He never really whored himself about before he won a world title. He was all business once upon a time, something of an old school approach.

Enzo was his firs big event. Since then he’s been a big ticket seller.
Upton Park for Chisora???!?

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 16:33

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 14:01

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 13:43 Haye is clearly a huge ticket seller and has been ever since he hit world level.

Anyone saying he isn’t clearly has a agenda.

He never really whored himself about before he won a world title. He was all business once upon a time, something of an old school approach.

Enzo was his firs big event. Since then he’s been a big ticket seller.
Upton Park for Chisora???!?

I’m Welsh. The Enzo fight was huge but Haye became a superstar before, during and after that fight.

Haye was drawing big figures on Sky way before world title fights aswell.

Mickey knows boxing, don’t know How he can say Haye isn’t a big ticket seller.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:55 Joshua has only fought twice at Manchester Arena. Which fight had knocking on 20k empty seats?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 19:27

dirk2686 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 12:55 Joshua has only fought twice at Manchester Arena. Which fight had knocking on 20k empty seats?

Quigg undercard. I was there..... Nobody left the bar.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 19:25

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 16:33

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 14:01

He never really whored himself about before he won a world title. He was all business once upon a time, something of an old school approach.

Enzo was his firs big event. Since then he’s been a big ticket seller.
Upton Park for Chisora???!?

I’m Welsh. The Enzo fight was huge but Haye became a superstar before, during and after that fight.

Haye was drawing big figures on Sky way before world title fights aswell.

Mickey knows boxing, don’t know How he can say Haye isn’t a big ticket seller.

Personal experience? Did nothing up here. With Groves and Frampton on the card.

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 19:35

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 19:25

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 16:33

I’m Welsh. The Enzo fight was huge but Haye became a superstar before, during and after that fight.

Haye was drawing big figures on Sky way before world title fights aswell.

Mickey knows boxing, don’t know How he can say Haye isn’t a big ticket seller.

Personal experience? Did nothing up here. With Groves and Frampton on the card.

Which card you on about?
Well my personal experience and the experience of the majority of the forum say he is a big ticket seller.

Sold out stadiums and huge tv revenue say he’s a seller.

You your mates and the people in the Quigg bar story is laughable and embarrassing for someone who can at times talk about boxing to a decent standard.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 11:45

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 11:38

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 11:33 I imagine simple curiosity will make him a bigger draw than ever before in his next contest

I hope it does. He is a very safety first fighter since he matured but he’s genuinely charismatic ( unlike Floyd & McGregor for instance who have worked on their image to find fans ) and should be more of a draw than he is.

Marketing helps. Joshua probably made more money fighting Whyte than Fury has during the whole of his career!

How should he be more of a draw than he is? He's become a fat tub of sh*t who hasn't fought for years because he's a lazy and pathetic cokehead, and he deserves to be more of a draw?

Taansend wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 22:10 People are saying Fury wasn't a big draw & they are right....BUT... many thought he'd get battered by Wlad & he pulled off a good performance.

(This is stretching things a bit ) It's a bit like Ali before he fought Liston. He was just a gobby bloke who no-one took seriously. After he proved himself people took notice. Then came the ban for Vietnam & the rest is history.

Fury did slay the monster & then there was the extra bloody drama of his 'issues' so I reckon he'll draw well in his comeback. BUT, they'll need a decent undercard too. A good co-main event with a proper tear up to keep the punters happy.

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 23:47 Leaving stadia aside (and Debut Dave's leisure centres), I imagine Fury can still generate lots of PPV sales if he's favourite to lose. How many of us are looking forward to Haye-Bellew II as a fight, rather than because we're hoping to see one of them humbled?

I've mixed feelings about Joshua-Parker for the same reason, because I'd like to see Parker win (barring a miracle, he won't), but if Joshua loses then Fury can just walk away and carry on calling himself the greatest. I'm not hungry to see Joshua or Fury lose, but I am hoping to see them heavily tested since their egos have built up steam, and the Wilder-Ortiz winner has to feature in one or both of their futures.

I'm not his biggest fan, but right now the action's all coming from Joshua's career. I'm not surprised he's selling well.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jan 2018, 01:01

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑15 Jan 2018, 23:47 Leaving stadia aside (and Debut Dave's leisure centres), I imagine Fury can still generate lots of PPV sales if he's favourite to lose. How many of us are looking forward to Haye-Bellew II as a fight, rather than because we're hoping to see one of them humbled?

I've mixed feelings about Joshua-Parker for the same reason, because I'd like to see Parker win (barring a miracle, he won't), but if Joshua loses then Fury can just walk away and carry on calling himself the greatest. I'm not hungry to see Joshua or Fury lose, but I am hoping to see them heavily tested since their egos have built up steam, and the Wilder-Ortiz winner has to feature in one or both of their futures.

I'm not his biggest fan, but right now the action's all coming from Joshua's career. I'm not surprised he's selling well.

He was European champion.... Wasn't a debutant at all.