oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 13:33
Sam Peter: Got off the deck and stuck with the gameplan and won a decision.
Yeh. Going into that bout as well, Wlad was written off. It was him committing suicide as Peter was coming up the rankk.
Peter putted out when his career was all said and done. Looked like a killer earlier on. Wlad showed a very brave account of himself in the first fight and utterly destroyed Peter in the second fight several years later.
oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 13:33
Sam Peter: Got off the deck and stuck with the gameplan and won a decision.
Yeh. Going into that bout as well, Wlad was written off. It was him committing suicide as Peter was coming up the rankk.
Peter putted out when his career was all said and done. Looked like a killer earlier on. Wlad showed a very brave account of himself in the first fight and utterly destroyed Peter in the second fight several years later.
The thing I remembered most about the 2nd fight, is I kept saying all through the fight from about the 5th round on "Throw an uppercut Wlad, he's wide open for it" and when he finally threw one in the 10th it landed flush, and the KO came very shortly after.
Yeh. Going into that bout as well, Wlad was written off. It was him committing suicide as Peter was coming up the rankk.
Peter putted out when his career was all said and done. Looked like a killer earlier on. Wlad showed a very brave account of himself in the first fight and utterly destroyed Peter in the second fight several years later.
The thing I remembered most about the 2nd fight, is I kept saying all through the fight from about the 5th round on "Throw an uppercut Wlad, he's wide open for it" and when he finally threw one in the 10th it landed flush, and the KO came very shortly after.
I think Parker COULD have a career similar to Wlad.. if he wants to box that long.
Peter putted out when his career was all said and done. Looked like a killer earlier on. Wlad showed a very brave account of himself in the first fight and utterly destroyed Peter in the second fight several years later.
The thing I remembered most about the 2nd fight, is I kept saying all through the fight from about the 5th round on "Throw an uppercut Wlad, he's wide open for it" and when he finally threw one in the 10th it landed flush, and the KO came very shortly after.
I think Parker COULD have a career similar to Wlad.. if he wants to box that long.
Peter putted out when his career was all said and done. Looked like a killer earlier on. Wlad showed a very brave account of himself in the first fight and utterly destroyed Peter in the second fight several years later.
The thing I remembered most about the 2nd fight, is I kept saying all through the fight from about the 5th round on "Throw an uppercut Wlad, he's wide open for it" and when he finally threw one in the 10th it landed flush, and the KO came very shortly after.
I think Parker COULD have a career similar to Wlad.. if he wants to box that long.
The thing I remembered most about the 2nd fight, is I kept saying all through the fight from about the 5th round on "Throw an uppercut Wlad, he's wide open for it" and when he finally threw one in the 10th it landed flush, and the KO came very shortly after.
I think Parker COULD have a career similar to Wlad.. if he wants to box that long.
Before I disagree, I'll ask...why and how?
He can gain tonnes of experience still. I think he’s gonna retire in his early 30’s though tbh.
I only said he COULD.. not saying he WILL.. I wouldn’t mind though.
I think Parker COULD have a career similar to Wlad.. if he wants to box that long.
Before I disagree, I'll ask...why and how?
He can gain tonnes of experience still. I think he’s gonna retire in his early 30’s though tbh.
I only said he COULD.. not saying he WILL.. I wouldn’t mind though.
I understand...you didn't say 100%. I just don't think he has the natural tools (size/reach/explosive power) to compare him to Wlad's legacy. Can it happen? Anything can happen. Just don't think so. With all due respect.
oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 15:57
Before I disagree, I'll ask...why and how?
He can gain tonnes of experience still. I think he’s gonna retire in his early 30’s though tbh.
I only said he COULD.. not saying he WILL.. I wouldn’t mind though.
I understand...you didn't say 100%. I just don't think he has the natural tools (size/reach/explosive power) to compare him to Wlad's legacy. Can it happen? Anything can happen. Just don't think so. With all due respect.
Would you mind if it did?
Wlad was quite prone early in his career. I think Parker can be very gunshy.. he just needs to go for it. I heard someone say he should leave Kevin Barry.
He can gain tonnes of experience still. I think he’s gonna retire in his early 30’s though tbh.
I only said he COULD.. not saying he WILL.. I wouldn’t mind though.
I understand...you didn't say 100%. I just don't think he has the natural tools (size/reach/explosive power) to compare him to Wlad's legacy. Can it happen? Anything can happen. Just don't think so. With all due respect.
Would you mind if it did?
Wlad was quite prone early in his career. I think Parker can be very gunshy.. he just needs to go for it. I heard someone say he should leave Kevin Barry.
I like Parker. Seems like a standup guy who perhaps wasn't handled the best during the early part of his career. If it happened, no, I wouldn't mind, but I'd be surprised.
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 29 Dec 2018, 16:52
by ezhmael
For me, Wlad's best win was against Peter in their first fight. Peter that time was a monster with an undefeated record. He prove that he can rise from a KD and win the fight thru boxing. It also cements his status as the no.1 heavyweight of that era together with his brother Vitali.
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 29 Dec 2018, 16:57
by gilgamesh
ezhmael wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 16:52
For me, Wlad's best win was against Peter in their first fight. Peter that time was a monster with an undefeated record. He prove that he can rise from a KD and win the fight thru boxing. It also cements his status as the no.1 heavyweight of that era together with his brother Vitali.
I don't know if that's his best win, but it was definitely the win he needed for himself and the fans at that time psychologically. Up to that point he had never fought his way back through THAT kinda adversity to still win. In that fight he showed that he had the heart to keep on going in a dire situation, and he never found himself in another one for many years.
ezhmael wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 16:52
For me, Wlad's best win was against Peter in their first fight. Peter that time was a monster with an undefeated record. He prove that he can rise from a KD and win the fight thru boxing. It also cements his status as the no.1 heavyweight of that era together with his brother Vitali.
I don't know if that's his best win, but it was definitely the win he needed for himself and the fans at that time psychologically. Up to that point he had never fought his way back through THAT kinda adversity to still win. In that fight he showed that he had the heart to keep on going in a dire situation, and he never found himself in another one for many years.
True, people forget that he was looking real shaky and fortunate to come out with a win against Williamson.
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 19:34
by Ambling Alp II
The first Byrd fight. He was the best opponent that he beat. There really isn't much else.
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 19:38
by oogiebe
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 19:34
The first Byrd fight. He was the best opponent that he beat. There really isn't much else.
I've posted the first Peter fight. He scraped himself off the canvas; kept his wits; and won a decision. At the time Peter was considered a force in the HW division.
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 19:34
The first Byrd fight. He was the best opponent that he beat. There really isn't much else.
I've posted the first Peter fight. He scraped himself off the canvas; kept his wits; and won a decision. At the time Peter was considered a force in the HW division.
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 19:34
The first Byrd fight. He was the best opponent that he beat. There really isn't much else.
I've posted the first Peter fight. He scraped himself off the canvas; kept his wits; and won a decision. At the time Peter was considered a force in the HW division.
Who necks??
LMAO! I see you placed it right the second time! Give the guy a break, it's an accent! LOL!
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 19:34
The first Byrd fight. He was the best opponent that he beat. There really isn't much else.
I've posted the first Peter fight. He scraped himself off the canvas; kept his wits; and won a decision. At the time Peter was considered a force in the HW division.
Going in to the fight Peter was not that well known at all. Klitschko barely survived. His best win can't be a fight where he got decked three times and won a decision against a limited fighter like Sam Peter. Byrd was not a legend but was a much better fighter than Peter.
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 19:34
The first Byrd fight. He was the best opponent that he beat. There really isn't much else.
I've posted the first Peter fight. He scraped himself off the canvas; kept his wits; and won a decision. At the time Peter was considered a force in the HW division.
Going in to the fight Peter was not that well known at all. Klitschko barely survived. His best win can't be a fight where he got decked three times and won a decision against a limited fighter like Sam Peter. Byrd was not a legend but was a much better fighter than Peter.
I don't know what boxing you watch, but when I saw that fight, Peter was considered a big threat to Klitchko. He was widely known and may not have been the boxer Byrd was, but he was as real a threat to the chinny Klitchko as Byrd ever was. I also give a lot of credit to fighters that come off the canvas to win a fight. That's why I picked this as his best win. Not his best opponent. Byrd was neither.
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 21:46
by Ambling Alp II
I can honestly say I had never seen Peter fight before that fight. I had barely heard of him. He had beaten virtually no one going into the fight. He certainly wasn't the face of the division.
He got dropped three times in that fight. Almost anyone else gets ripped when they get knocked down even once. This is supposed to be some great win?
And yes Chris Byrd was clearly the best fighter he ever beat. I'm not sure who is supposed to be number 2. Who else was even close?
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 21:51
by oogiebe
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 21:46
I can honestly say I had never seen Peter fight before that fight. I had barely heard of him. He had beaten virtually no one going into the fight. He certainly wasn't the face of the division.
He got dropped three times in that fight. Almost anyone else gets ripped when they get knocked down even once. This is supposed to be some great win?
And yes Chris Byrd was clearly the best fighter he ever beat. I'm not sure who is supposed to be number 2. Who else was even close?
I had seen Peter several times before the Klitchko fight. The Klitchko fight was his first big time fight though. He had been feasting on fringe contenders prior to this bout and built a reputation as a real KO guy. Regarding best opposition, Fury and AJ come to mind when you look at Wlad's resume. I'm an old school guy, but those two would have probably beaten Wlad's earlier opposition. Especially a pitty pat boxer like Byrd.
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 22:58
by Cojimar 1946
I think Pulev and Povetkin are probably better than Byrd, Chagaev is probably on the same level as Byrd or a bit better.
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 30 Dec 2018, 23:04
by oogiebe
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2018, 22:58
I think Pulev and Povetkin are probably better than Byrd, Chagaev is probably on the same level as Byrd or a bit better.
Agreed on Pulev and Povetkin, but maybe not Chagaev, who I think is one of the toughest guys from that era.
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 04:43
by DrDuke
To name Byrd Wlad's only decent scalp is quite strange. Yeah, Byrd was talented and skilled defence-wise, but he was far from being a complete heavyweight without possessing punching power and while having all the arguable moments he had. Three of his title defences in a row were very disputable. Povetkin and Pulev were definitely better. Povetkin is considered a real threat to anyone through nearly a decade, he gave Joshua a tough fight at his 39. If he met Byrd with Chris being fresher, not much would have changed really. Pulev would have won Byrd in a similar fashion to Wlad's one, just without providing the same battery, cause his punching power isn't that big. Chagaev was worse, than Byrd, but not miles away. The same is actually about Ibragimov. And what about Haye? Haye was no less slick, than Byrd, and in contrast to Chris Haye could provide a real danger, cause he had a very good punching power. So, no one even close to Byrd? Oh, please...
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 12:06
by Ambling Alp II
Oh please yourself. Byrd didn't have much power, no question about it. However, he was fast, much faster than anyone else that Klitschko beat. He was much better defesesvily than than anyone Klitschko beat.
Byrd actually has some decent wins. Take a look at his career. His victims list is a lot more impressive than anyone Povetkin, Haye, Peter etc.
Re: Wladimir Klitschko: Best win?
Posted: 31 Dec 2018, 12:16
by tiny_acres
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑31 Dec 2018, 12:06
Oh please yourself. Byrd didn't have much power, no question about it. However, he was fast, much faster than anyone else that Klitschko beat. He was much better defesesvily than than anyone Klitschko beat.
Byrd actually has some decent wins. Take a look at his career. His victims list is a lot more impressive than anyone Povetkin, Haye, Peter etc.