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There were already other threads asking who you thought would win between Linares and Garcia. Your response doesn't deserve its very own thread.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 16:19

Loki wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 16:04 This original poster has a dormant organ in his skull, but Linares v Garcia is not a foregone conclusion.

Linares seems to find a way to win in the last x amount of years.

He finds a way to win against B level fighters.

Garcia ain't no B level fighter.

He's in a class that Linares has never experienced.

I expect Garcia to win. But, I have a feeling it won’t be easy. Just a hunch.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 16:19

Loki wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 16:04 This original poster has a dormant organ in his skull, but Linares v Garcia is not a foregone conclusion.

Linares seems to find a way to win in the last x amount of years.

He finds a way to win against B level fighters.

Garcia ain't no B level fighter.

He's in a class that Linares has never faced experienced.

To note: what elite level fighters has Garcia faced? Broner... cmon. I expect Garcia to win but he wouldnt wipe the floor with Linares.

I'll take the bigger Broner over any opponent Linares has faced.

If he had his head together, Broner would mop the floor with Linares.

And Garcia toyed with Salido, knocking him down 4 times ( something no one does to Salido...ask Lomachenko) practically shutting the veteran out when the bout was halted in the 8th due to the head butt.

That fight was back in 2013 when Salido wasn't the faded fighter he is today. He was #1 in the division.

An extremely impressive performance. Garcia certainly looked like a P4P entry even back then.

Linares would be hard pressed to defeat the Salido of 5 years ago, much less floor him 4 times.

Dominating victories over Roman Martinez for the junior lightweight crown and top contender Burgos pretty much match and even surpass any challenger Linares has ever fought.

And his KO Of the Year destruction of unbeaten lightweight champ Zlatinican showcased Garcia at his finest--- outboxing a fine boxer and then finishing him with a terrific display of power.

Mikey Garcia is for real. Just watch him and you'll see that special all around class that few fighters can match.

And Jorge Linares certainly isn't one of them.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 12:05

caldo2025 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 08:49 Well it looks like i'll be accepting bets on another fight. Boy i better go get some paper together to cover all of these bets that i'm making.

I love how you all criticize Linares for his lack of opposition and resume but have you even looked at Garcia's flimsy list of foes? Garcia, when not sucking his thumb in the corner about a contract that HE signed, can be found cherry picking titles left and right. The guy is all talk and I can't wait to see Linares shut him up. IF Garcia will ever agree to get in the ring with him. During negotiations recently, Linares gave in to every request by Garcia only to have Garcia run scared and fight some bum with a belt.

This is the kind of person you guys love ha? This kind of boxer entertains you? Not me. I'm the smartest person in the world.

You don't have to love a fighter to recognize his talents. That's somewhat of an immature conclusion.

Fans support Garcia because either A) they're impressed with his skills B) Linares appears to be far from an elite boxer or C) a combination of the two.

I feel that Garcia dismantles Linares in routine fashion. Too much pressure and too sharp and accurate with his punches.

Linares has never beaten a true high caliber fighter. He's been stopped on several occasions. All of his defeats have come via KO.

Freddie Roach, who trained Linares for a spell, said that the fighter lacks professionalism, a work ethic and is very lazy.

He also criticized him as a quitter in the ring who panics at the sight of his own blood.

Not a ringing endorsement of Linares.

If all that is true, expect Linares to quit in his corner, as he did against DeMarco, when Garcia mercilessly pounds him for 6 or 7 rounds.

And I don't have to love Mikey Garcia to come to that conclusion.

Of course Roach is going to criticize anyone that doesn't stay with him. Good trainer but just like the rest of the elite trainers, they turn into children when boxers leave them. If you cut like Linares and lost big fights because of it, wouldn't you panic at the sight of your blood as well?

The kid is twice the fighter that he was when he last loss almost 6 years ago. He reinvented himself and regardless of what you are I think, he deserves this fight. We also deserve this fight and not another cherry pick by Garcia. So sick of this kid never passing up a microphone to talk about how he'll fight anyone...but ends up fighting the weakest champ that has a belt he can vulture.

Mikey Garcia's resume is absolute crap.

I never said Linares doesn't deserve the fight. He holds one of those ubiquitous alphabet belts, so I guess he's as worthy as anyone else.

I simply opined that he's just a level or so above an ordinary fighter and will be overmatched vs. Garcia.

There could be some sour grapes on the part of Roach, but he certainly appears correct about Linares falling apart when he cuts.

I never saw a fighter so quickly panic and throw in the towel as frontrunner Linares did when he fought DeMarco.

He's obviously one of those guys who can dish it out but can't handle any adversity in return.

He would face plenty adversity if he fights Garcia. More than he could ever handle.

I already went over Garcia's accomplishments in the ring. If those opponents represent "cherry picking" (the latest trendy label here) then I wish all fighters cherry picked like Mikey Garcia.

His skin may be a problem, though.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑01 Feb 2018, 09:14Mikey Garcia's resume is absolute crap.

Mikey Garcia (currently rated 2nd at 135lbs by ESPN) is a three weight world champion, who’ll be attempting to gain another world title in a fourth weight class when he faces Sergey Lipinets next month (rated 4th by ESPN & 6th by The RING), in what will be his sixth world championship bout.

Fifteen of the men that Mikey Garcia has fought had all previously engaged in genuine world title bouts, with eight of them being former world champions, such as:

• Mauricio Pastrana
• Jonathan Victor Barros
• Orlando Salido (three time world champion who defeated Vasyl Lomachenko after being defeated by Mikey Garcia)
• Juan Manuel Lopez (two weight division world champion)
• Roman Martinez (two time world champion)
• Elio Rojas
• Dejan Zlaticanin
• Adrien Broner (four weight world champion)

Mikey Garcia is also ranked 8th in the pound-for-pound list by ESPN (voted for by the likes of Dan Rafael, Teddy Atlas, Eric Raskin, Nick Parkinson, Nigel Collins & Claudia Trejos) and 6th by The RING in their equivalent list.

Did you actually consider the factual accuracy of that claim prior to articulating it?

If you’re still adamant about the validity of your claim, then please name a currently active fighter, who in your eyes, only has a barely acceptable resume (i.e. the least tolerable criteria to gain your respect) and then let’s compare his achievements against those accomplished by Mikey Garcia?

SenorPipino wrote: ↑01 Feb 2018, 10:06I simply opined that [Jorge Linares is] just a level or so above an ordinary fighter...

[Linares is] obviously one of those guys who can dish it out but can't handle any adversity in return.

How can a fighter that has engaged in thirteen world championship bouts (almost all of them taking place away from his home turf) and winning world titles in three weight divisions, be considered as being only a level above “ordinary”?

I believe that twenty of his opponents had all competed in a world title bout (the vast majority of them numerous times), having also faced seven world champions, such as:

• Hugo Rafael Soto
• Oscar Larios
• Gamaliel Diaz
• Juan Carlos Salgado
• Jesus Chavez
• Antonio DeMarco
• Anthony Crolla

Jorge Linares is not only The RING Champion at 135lbs, but ESPN also rate him is the top dog in the very same division.

Why do people insist on having such ludicrously high standards that bear absolutely no relation to reality?

Because I can be tough on fighters.

I've seen a lot of them over a lifetime and I simply don't tend to gush over every fighter that holds one of a million alphabet belts.

I want to see them beat elite, top shelf fighters, not a host of routine contenders who will be remembered by few 5 years down the line.

Linares doesn't measure up. Oh, he can fight. I'm not trying to give the impression that he's a tomato can.

He's been around for a while and he's been pretty damn successful.

But I don't see elite names on that record. He's been around 15 years, held 3 titles but nary a big name on his record. No superfights.

He's lost only 3 fights in 47. A damn good log. But he's been stopped in all 3. I'm suspicious of guys like that.

Either their chin's not dependable or their heart is questionable when faced with adversity.

Again, Linares is a good, solid professional. He can fight.

But he's not special. If you think he can beat the true top stars in boxing....well that's not the way to bet.

I believe Mikey Garcia is special. Linares isn't. He's at least at a level beneath him.

I'll side with the special fighter every time over the routine brand.

I don't drink Corona. I prefer Negra Modelo.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 08:49 Well it looks like i'll be accepting bets on another fight. Boy i better go get some paper together to cover all of these bets that i'm making.

I love how you all criticize Linares for his lack of opposition and resume but have you even looked at Garcia's flimsy list of foes? Garcia, when not sucking his thumb in the corner about a contract that HE signed, can be found cherry picking titles left and right. The guy is all talk and I can't wait to see Linares shut him up. IF Garcia will ever agree to get in the ring with him. During negotiations recently, Linares gave in to every request by Garcia only to have Garcia run scared and fight some bum with a belt.

This is the kind of person you guys love ha? This kind of boxer entertains you? Not me. I'm the smartest person in the world.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 Feb 2018, 10:07 Because I can be tough on fighters.

I've seen a lot of them over a lifetime and I simply don't tend to gush over every fighter that holds one of a million alphabet belts.

I want to see them beat elite, top shelf fighters, not a host of routine contenders who will be remembered by few 5 years down the line.

Linares doesn't measure up. Oh, he can fight. I'm not trying to give the impression that he's a tomato can.

He's been around for a while and he's been pretty damn successful.

But I don't see elite names on that record. He's been around 15 years, held 3 titles but nary a big name on his record. No superfights.

He's lost only 3 fights in 47. A damn good log. But he's been stopped in all 3. I'm suspicious of guys like that.

Either their chin's not dependable or their heart is questionable when faced with adversity.

Again, Linares is a good, solid professional. He can fight.

But he's not special. If you think he can beat the true top stars in boxing....well that's not the way to bet.

I believe Mikey Garcia is special. Linares isn't. He's at least at a level beneath him.

I'll side with the special fighter every time over the routine brand.

I don't drink Corona. I prefer Negra Modelo.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's extremely harsh, especially in the context of you comparing Jorge Linares to "ordinary" fighters.