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Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 09:09 So kinda like Prizefighter.. EventCity though.. Not bad.. Close to home..

Sklar wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 09:26 Bit snide my last post. They’re just young lads having a go so good look to them and to be fair they are probably not old enough to remember Prizefighter.

ILikeBeer wrote: ↑06 Feb 2018, 08:40

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 09:09 So kinda like Prizefighter.. EventCity though.. Not bad.. Close to home..

Good stuff by Event City, if you want to go out to eat etc....

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 14:40 The only problem I have with this format, is that an injury can derail it, and result in the best fighters not being in it towards the end.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 11:23 Maybe im not reading it right but to me it seems identical to prizefighter?

Why copy a fornat that ultimately failed?

I think there is room in boxing for tournaments though at lower/domestic levels. Not a fan of 3 round fights at all though, 3 rounds isn't enough.

I always thought a tournament series could work something like:

6 rounds quarter finals
8 rounds semi
10 or 12 final

And have them staggered, so for example a card may be something like:

Welterweight QF 1, A vs B, 6x3
Welterweight QF 2, C vs D, 6x3
Welterweight QF 3, E vs F, 6x3
Welterweight QF 4, G vs H, 6x3
Lightweight Semi 1, A vs D, 8x3
Lightweight Semi 2, F vs H, 8x3
Main event: Cruiserweight Final, D vs F, 10x3

Then the next card, say 8 weeks later, would feature the Lightweight final, the welter semis & a new set of quarters. This kind of rotating format combined with a 24/7 style background on domestic fighters and their daily lives i think would gave excellent production value & would perhaps be an excellent "break out" opportunity for future ppv level fighters.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 11:44

happyNY18 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 11:23 Maybe im not reading it right but to me it seems identical to prizefighter?

Why copy a fornat that ultimately failed?

I think there is room in boxing for tournaments though at lower/domestic levels. Not a fan of 3 round fights at all though, 3 rounds isn't enough.

I always thought a tournament series could work something like:

6 rounds quarter finals
8 rounds semi
10 or 12 final

And have them staggered, so for example a card may be something like:

Welterweight QF 1, A vs B, 6x3
Welterweight QF 2, C vs D, 6x3
Welterweight QF 3, E vs F, 6x3
Welterweight QF 4, G vs H, 6x3
Lightweight Semi 1, A vs D, 8x3
Lightweight Semi 2, F vs H, 8x3
Main event: Cruiserweight Final, D vs F, 10x3

Then the next card, say 8 weeks later, would feature the Lightweight final, the welter semis & a new set of quarters. This kind of rotating format combined with a 24/7 style background on domestic fighters and their daily lives i think would gave excellent production value & would perhaps be an excellent "break out" opportunity for future ppv level fighters.

Would be great but ultimately the money isn’t there, audiences don’t want to sit through loads and loads of longer fights and injuries and general life outside the ring can easily derail the whole thing

happyNY18 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:01

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 11:44

happyNY18 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 11:23 Maybe im not reading it right but to me it seems identical to prizefighter?

Why copy a fornat that ultimately failed?

I think there is room in boxing for tournaments though at lower/domestic levels. Not a fan of 3 round fights at all though, 3 rounds isn't enough.

I always thought a tournament series could work something like:

6 rounds quarter finals
8 rounds semi
10 or 12 final

And have them staggered, so for example a card may be something like:

Welterweight QF 1, A vs B, 6x3
Welterweight QF 2, C vs D, 6x3
Welterweight QF 3, E vs F, 6x3
Welterweight QF 4, G vs H, 6x3
Lightweight Semi 1, A vs D, 8x3
Lightweight Semi 2, F vs H, 8x3
Main event: Cruiserweight Final, D vs F, 10x3

Then the next card, say 8 weeks later, would feature the Lightweight final, the welter semis & a new set of quarters. This kind of rotating format combined with a 24/7 style background on domestic fighters and their daily lives i think would gave excellent production value & would perhaps be an excellent "break out" opportunity for future ppv level fighters.

Would be great but ultimately the money isn’t there, audiences don’t want to sit through loads and loads of longer fights and injuries and general life outside the ring can easily derail the whole thing

Surely injuries are easier to deal with over a period of weeks that on the same night? The big downside of PF was the format encouraged guys to pile it on so they could make an impression inside 9 minutes.... leading to many guys going into semi's or finals either gassed or with a cut.

The super6 had its probkems with dropouts but it was still a big success imo & added greatly to the careers of Ward & Froch. If a fighter pulls oit of a semi... award his place to a wildcard loser from the QFs... perhaps to a SplitDec loser.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:54

happyNY18 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:01

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 11:44

Would be great but ultimately the money isn’t there, audiences don’t want to sit through loads and loads of longer fights and injuries and general life outside the ring can easily derail the whole thing

Surely injuries are easier to deal with over a period of weeks that on the same night? The big downside of PF was the format encouraged guys to pile it on so they could make an impression inside 9 minutes.... leading to many guys going into semi's or finals either gassed or with a cut.

The super6 had its probkems with dropouts but it was still a big success imo & added greatly to the careers of Ward & Froch. If a fighter pulls oit of a semi... award his place to a wildcard loser from the QFs... perhaps to a SplitDec loser.

Everyone’s problems with the Super 6 was that it went on for 2 years.

There is currently a tournament spread over multiple shows for the midlands area title and that has had a number of issues including the starting lineup dropping from 8 participants to 6 and bouts floating around due to injuries, pull outs and outside issues. If you have shows which have parts of three different tournaments on them, any injuries etc then affect the training and preparation of 13 other boxers and probably the 14 on the next show and the one after etc.

Injuries on the night can be either dealt with or the boxer can withdraw and a sub steps in, but 14 men training for the same show, all making it without training injuries is highly improbable and subbing people in takes away the integrity of the whole concept, imagine the reaction if Smith ‘wins’ the Super Series by beating ‘not George Groves’.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 13:46

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:54

happyNY18 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:01


Surely injuries are easier to deal with over a period of weeks that on the same night? The big downside of PF was the format encouraged guys to pile it on so they could make an impression inside 9 minutes.... leading to many guys going into semi's or finals either gassed or with a cut.

The super6 had its probkems with dropouts but it was still a big success imo & added greatly to the careers of Ward & Froch. If a fighter pulls oit of a semi... award his place to a wildcard loser from the QFs... perhaps to a SplitDec loser.

Everyone’s problems with the Super 6 was that it went on for 2 years.

There is currently a tournament spread over multiple shows for the midlands area title and that has had a number of issues including the starting lineup dropping from 8 participants to 6 and bouts floating around due to injuries, pull outs and outside issues. If you have shows which have parts of three different tournaments on them, any injuries etc then affect the training and preparation of 13 other boxers and probably the 14 on the next show and the one after etc.

Injuries on the night can be either dealt with or the boxer can withdraw and a sub steps in, but 14 men training for the same show, all making it without training injuries is highly improbable and subbing people in takes away the integrity of the whole concept, imagine the reaction if Smith ‘wins’ the Super Series by beating ‘not George Groves’.

Sure 14 fighters all fighting for 1 card could pose problems, but with contigency/backup fighters being available for quarter or semi bouts i don't think it would be too difficult to overcome. Having finalists pull out is another story as i would envisage finals being the headline - but is it much different from any other weekend of boxing? Golovkin Canelo 2 was scheduled to be the biggest fight of 2018 and its descended into farce with a shambolic opponent and change of network & even state that it will be held. It happens, tournament format or not.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 14:15

happyNY18 wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 13:46

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 12:54

Everyone’s problems with the Super 6 was that it went on for 2 years.

There is currently a tournament spread over multiple shows for the midlands area title and that has had a number of issues including the starting lineup dropping from 8 participants to 6 and bouts floating around due to injuries, pull outs and outside issues. If you have shows which have parts of three different tournaments on them, any injuries etc then affect the training and preparation of 13 other boxers and probably the 14 on the next show and the one after etc.

Injuries on the night can be either dealt with or the boxer can withdraw and a sub steps in, but 14 men training for the same show, all making it without training injuries is highly improbable and subbing people in takes away the integrity of the whole concept, imagine the reaction if Smith ‘wins’ the Super Series by beating ‘not George Groves’.

Sure 14 fighters all fighting for 1 card could pose problems, but with contigency/backup fighters being available for quarter or semi bouts i don't think it would be too difficult to overcome. Having finalists pull out is another story as i would envisage finals being the headline - but is it much different from any other weekend of boxing? Golovkin Canelo 2 was scheduled to be the biggest fight of 2018 and its descended into farce with a shambolic opponent and change of network & even state that it will be held. It happens, tournament format or not.

Even when using the words farce and shambolic in your example of why it’s ok, you don’t see the problem?
If a number of under prepared stand ins are brought in you no longer have a tournament or a result with and meaning.