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ValMar wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 18:46 Active boxers : Khan & Price. Rigondaux might be half-glassy, Gamboa and Donaire, too.............

I'm not impressed with heavyweight Charles Martins' chin. I also question J'Leon Love's beard.

Apparently Charles Martin ain't even too impressed with Charles Martin's chin. He doesn't seem to be too keen on remaining active these days.

I watched his last fight Live in person from Press Row. Wasn't much to see though. Both he and Marrone were out of shape...Marrone even more so, and he basically went down from the first solid shot that Martin landed.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Feb 2018, 18:50 Apparently Charles Martin ain't even too impressed with Charles Martin's chin. He doesn't seem to be too keen on remaining active these days.

I watched his last fight Live in person from Press Row. Wasn't much to see though. Both he and Marrone were out of shape...Marrone even more so, and he basically went down from the first solid shot that Martin landed.

Martin has not given up on the sport just yet, He's scheduled to fight a 8 rounder vs TBA on the Wilder vs Ortiz undercard in Brooklyn.

For some reason I thought the Martin vs Marrone fight was in Florida. I was wrong, it was in Alexandria, Louisiana. Looks like you attended a cool card with "Cowboy" Ryan Karl, Edwin Rodriguez and Chris Avalos in action.

chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2018, 19:00

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Feb 2018, 18:50 Apparently Charles Martin ain't even too impressed with Charles Martin's chin. He doesn't seem to be too keen on remaining active these days.

I watched his last fight Live in person from Press Row. Wasn't much to see though. Both he and Marrone were out of shape...Marrone even more so, and he basically went down from the first solid shot that Martin landed.

Martin has not given up on the sport just yet, He's scheduled to fight a 8 rounder vs TBA on the Wilder vs Ortiz undercard in Brooklyn.

For some reason I thought the Martin vs Marrone fight was in Florida. I was wrong, it was in Alexandria, Louisiana. Looks like you attended a cool card with "Cowboy" Ryan Karl, Edwin Rodriguez and Chris Avalos in action.

Yeah it was one of those Toe to Toe Tuesday cards. Most of the fights were mismatches and ended real early. Either 1st or 2nd round KO's.

The Avalos vs Flores fight that was the main event on that card was pretty fun. Karl's fight is the one of the few that went the distance. That and a 4 rounder between a couple of guys from around here.

I talked to Christopher Brooker after his fight with Elbiali he was raising hell about Elbiali having hit him in the back and sh*t, he was very animated

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018, 16:29

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018, 15:58 Of course you have to wheel out the boxing forum stuff of legend (and probably fictitious) Eric Crumble out in threads like this.

With no footage available of him fighting, and no one around that saw him first hand, he's an anti-Greb of sorts.

Yeah a record like that suggests to me that he never gave a sincere effort in any of his fights. He just showed up to take a shot or two, fall down and cash a check.

I sure I've read claims that "he" was like the Alan Smithee for Wisconsin journeymen boxers of the time - just a name to use if you got KO'd and didn't want to sit out a suspension under your real name. Sounds even more unlikely to me than it just being some persistently hapless guy, certainly raises more questions than it answers, but I've no real idea myself.

Have Angel Manfredy or Antwun Echols ever been asked about him in interviews, does anyone know? Seems like Manfredy would have at least remembered his first professional win,

Best Coast wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 17:07

ValMar wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018, 17:26

siablo14 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018, 15:53 Wladimir Klitschko?
Lennox Lewis?

No, definitely.
Wlad : 7/10
Lennox : 8/10
Let us say : decent and very decent. No less, no more.

Beg to differ. I give Lennox 7/10 and Wlad 5/10

In Lennox's farewell fight against Vitali, Lewis settled some doubts by absorbing some heavy shots from one of the premier HW punchers of his era.

Wlad on the other hand needed major stylistic changes to HIDE his weak chin. Without Manny Steward's major stylistic adjustments Wlad would have ended his career in disaster.

You can trace the major style-change to his first Samuel Peter bout. After the humiliating KO loss to Lamon Brewster, Steward changed Wlad's emphasis to clutching, grabbing, tying up when he faced heavy hitters to avoid a repeat of the humiliating KOs to Brewster, Sanders & Puritty.

Watch this video of Wlad-Peter I and videos of Wlad pre-Samuel Peter and you cant help but see major stylistic adjustments to hide his glass jaw. Manny Steward SAVED WLAD's CAREER.

Steward did the same for Lewis too.

Wlad fought at a more measured pace, and preserved his stamina a lot better after Steward's coaching as well. Along with teaching him to clinch strategically and all that, learning to pace himself was key to his later success.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Feb 2018, 21:58 Wlad fought at a more measured pace, and preserved his stamina a lot better after Steward's coaching as well. Along with teaching him to clinch strategically and all that, learning to pace himself was key to his later success.

Yes !