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Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 14:36
by KiwiRider
I think he is in for a tough night. Both of them are.
I had a look back at Eubanks fight history and I don't think he has faced anyone with Grove's power.
Am I correct?
Can anyone name a harder hitter in Eubanks resume?
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 14:44
by Stuarty
AA could bang but was a shadow of what he was and never really let his hands go so not sure if you can count him. Groves will test Eubanks chin and ribs properly.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 15:31
by siablo14
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 12:23
Here’s a fairly comprehensive list of expert opinions on their prediction for the outcome for the Groves-Eubank Jr. fight... with the vast majority of them favouring George Groves:
• Callum Smith - Groves
• Spencer Fearon - Eubank Jr.
• Tony Bellew - Groves
• Dominic Ingle - Eubank Jr.
• Kell Brook - Eubank Jr.
• Kid Galahad - Groves
• Dillian Whyte - Groves
• Jim McDonnell - Groves
• Billy Joe Saunders - Groves
• Adam Booth - Groves
• Joe Calzaghe - Groves
• David Haye - Groves
• James DeGale - Groves
• Jamie Cox - Groves
• J'Leon Love - Groves
• Badou Jack - Groves
• Carl Froch - Eubank Jr.
• Robbie Davies Jr. - Eubank Jr.
• Lee Selby - Groves
• Danny Wilson - Groves
• Renold Quinlan - Eubank Jr.
• Chris ‘2Slick’ Kongo - Groves
• Ricky Hatton - Groves
• Johnny Nelson - Groves
• Andy Lee - Groves
• Anthony Crolla - Eubank Jr.
• Dougie Fischer - Eubank Jr.
• Zack Parker - Groves
Who are the American analysts picking?
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 15:45
by BitPlayer
siablo14 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 15:31Who are the American analysts picking?
Eubank? I didn't even know he was still fighting. He was way past his best years ago, but who is the other guy? Jerry Groove is it? Probably just a club fighter with a padded record, hand picked for the old man. Then again how old is Eubank now, like 48? Man that's old, even Foreman was old at that age. Maybe this Jerry guy could pull off a mini Joe Smith Jr.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 15:50
by siablo14
BitPlayer wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 15:45
siablo14 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 15:31Who are the American analysts picking?
Eubank? I didn't even know he was still fighting. He was way past his best years ago, but who is the other guy? Jerry Groove is it? Probably just a club fighter with a padded record, hand picked for the old man. Then again how old is Eubank now, like 48? Man that's old, even Foreman was old at that age. Maybe this Jerry guy could pull off a mini Joe Smith Jr.
Who said that?
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 15:54
by BitPlayer
siablo14 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 15:50
BitPlayer wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 15:45
siablo14 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 15:31Who are the American analysts picking?
Eubank? I didn't even know he was still fighting. He was way past his best years ago, but who is the other guy? Jerry Groove is it? Probably just a club fighter with a padded record, hand picked for the old man. Then again how old is Eubank now, like 48? Man that's old, even Foreman was old at that age. Maybe this Jerry guy could pull off a mini Joe Smith Jr.
Who said that?
I may have just made that up.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 16:20
by siablo14
I am re-watching both of their last fights and I believe this will be an easy fight for Eubank Jr.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 16:59
by siablo14
siablo14 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 16:20
I am re-watching both of their last fights and I believe this will be an easy fight for Eubank Jr.
On second thoughts, it may be close with Eubank Jr getting the nod.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 17:00
by siablo14
BitPlayer wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 15:54
siablo14 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 15:50
Who said that?
I may have just made that up.
That's them yes. Do they have any promising super middleweight at the moment?
The young guy they sent was easily outclassed.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 17:01
by jamamb
both dirrells and david benavidez are better then brant. brant wasnt even a smw and hadnt really done anything good at mw either.
jesse harts better then brant too.
but as far as long term potential, the dirrells have probably already peaked and hart is what he is now i think, or close to it. but benavidez is very young and has potential to be a top smw though still work to do.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 19:37
by jamesmcdonnell
Mimmy wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 04:52
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018, 22:45
Pretty easy night for Groves I think, he'll be about 20lbs heavier than Jnr on the night and if jnr tries to get into a shootout with Groves like his last fight he's in big trouble.
is it possible to put that much weight on 24 hours before a fight?
Yep.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 14:55
by SenorPipino
Earlier in this thread, Enlightened-One supplied us with a list of mostly British experts who overwhelmingly predict Groves will beat Eubank tonight.
Just now I perused the PTBF selection and see a complete reversal. Apparently a big 40 out of 60 (66%) here like the favored Eubank to hand Groves his 4th defeat.
So in just a few more hours we will see who the true boxing experts are. Them or us.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 14:58
by klitoris
Genuinely pumped for this fight. I think it's gonna be a cracker!
I feel like Eubank will eventually get to Groves, but it will depend on Eubank's chin.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 15:48
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 12:23
Here’s a fairly comprehensive list of expert opinions on their prediction for the outcome for the Groves-Eubank Jr. fight... with the vast majority of them favouring George Groves:
• Callum Smith - Groves
• Spencer Fearon - Eubank Jr.
• Tony Bellew - Groves
• Dominic Ingle - Eubank Jr.
• Kell Brook - Eubank Jr.
• Kid Galahad - Groves
• Dillian Whyte - Groves
• Jim McDonnell - Groves
• Billy Joe Saunders - Groves
• Adam Booth - Groves
• Joe Calzaghe - Groves
• David Haye - Groves
• James DeGale - Groves
• Jamie Cox - Groves
• J'Leon Love - Groves
• Badou Jack - Groves
• Carl Froch - Eubank Jr.
• Robbie Davies Jr. - Eubank Jr.
• Lee Selby - Groves
• Danny Wilson - Groves
• Renold Quinlan - Eubank Jr.
• Chris ‘2Slick’ Kongo - Groves
• Ricky Hatton - Groves
• Johnny Nelson - Groves
• Andy Lee - Groves
• Anthony Crolla - Eubank Jr.
• Dougie Fischer - Eubank Jr.
• Zack Parker - Groves
Though FWIW British magazine Boxing Monthly ran a poll of fighters / trainers etc for their February edition that came out 20-10 in Eubank's favour.
If anyone really wants it I'll put up the entire list (too lazy otherwise), but it includes the likes of Derek Chisora, Clinton Woods, Johnny Nelson etc etc.
Just wondering E-O, where did you get the Lee Selby pick from? In the mag he goes for Eubank fairly emphatically. [edit] Also seen Adam Booth lean towards Eubank elsewhere, though he could just have changed his mind.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 15:52
by siablo14
SenorPipino wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 14:55
Earlier in this thread, Enlightened-One supplied us with a list of mostly British experts who overwhelmingly predict Groves will beat Eubank tonight.
Just now I perused the PTBF selection and see a complete reversal. Apparently a big 40 out of 60 (66%) here like the favored Eubank to hand Groves his 4th defeat.
So in just a few more hours we will see who the true boxing experts are. Them or us.
Bookies too. Going off that list. The bookies should be crying after the fight.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 16:36
by Thomastearns
I'm going with the bookies too. There's nothing like having money on something to focus the mind.
Possible scenarios, likeliest first -
Eubank dominates late and wins on points
Eubank stops Groves on cuts
Groves gives Eubank Jr a thorough boxing lesson and wins lopsided decision
Groves scores sensational knockout
All these are possible, and its so tough to call. One minute you see Groves looking far from his best at the weigh-in, the next you remember that if Spike buzzed Eubank Jr in their encounter, what could Groves do?
Both guys are tremendous warriors, good luck to both.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 16:42
by Enlightened-One
HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 15:48
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 12:23
Here’s a fairly comprehensive list of expert opinions on their prediction for the outcome for the Groves-Eubank Jr. fight... with the vast majority of them favouring George Groves:
• Callum Smith - Groves
• Spencer Fearon - Eubank Jr.
• Tony Bellew - Groves
• Dominic Ingle - Eubank Jr.
• Kell Brook - Eubank Jr.
• Kid Galahad - Groves
• Dillian Whyte - Groves
• Jim McDonnell - Groves
• Billy Joe Saunders - Groves
• Adam Booth - Groves
• Joe Calzaghe - Groves
• David Haye - Groves
• James DeGale - Groves
• Jamie Cox - Groves
• J'Leon Love - Groves
• Badou Jack - Groves
• Carl Froch - Eubank Jr.
• Robbie Davies Jr. - Eubank Jr.
• Lee Selby - Groves
• Danny Wilson - Groves
• Renold Quinlan - Eubank Jr.
• Chris ‘2Slick’ Kongo - Groves
• Ricky Hatton - Groves
• Johnny Nelson - Groves
• Andy Lee - Groves
• Anthony Crolla - Eubank Jr.
• Dougie Fischer - Eubank Jr.
• Zack Parker - Groves
Though FWIW British magazine Boxing Monthly ran a poll of fighters / trainers etc for their February edition that came out 20-10 in Eubank's favour.
If anyone really wants it I'll put up the entire list (too lazy otherwise), but it includes the likes of Derek Chisora, Clinton Woods, Johnny Nelson etc etc.
Just wondering E-O, where did you get the Lee Selby pick from? In the mag he goes for Eubank fairly emphatically. [edit] Also seen Adam Booth lean towards Eubank elsewhere, though he could just have changed his mind.
I got the info from videos and articles containing interview transcripts.
Also, it's important to note that people's opinions often change.
For example: Eddie Hearn initially favoured Eubank Jr., but now seems to opt for Groves.
Finally, the following URL provides Selby's opinion on this matter:
https://www.pinnacle.com/en/betting-art ... XS6E4DAUV6
Lee Selby - Welsh professional boxer and IBF featherweight title-holder since 2015, previously the European, British, and Commonwealth featherweight champion.
At first I thought Chris Eubank Jr, but after seeing the pair up close and head-to-head I would have to go with George Groves.
I think Groves’ size, power and strength will be the deciding factor in a great fight.
Prediction: Groves Points
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 16:59
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 16:42
HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 15:48
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018, 12:23
Here’s a fairly comprehensive list of expert opinions on their prediction for the outcome for the Groves-Eubank Jr. fight... with the vast majority of them favouring George Groves:
• Callum Smith - Groves
• Spencer Fearon - Eubank Jr.
• Tony Bellew - Groves
• Dominic Ingle - Eubank Jr.
• Kell Brook - Eubank Jr.
• Kid Galahad - Groves
• Dillian Whyte - Groves
• Jim McDonnell - Groves
• Billy Joe Saunders - Groves
• Adam Booth - Groves
• Joe Calzaghe - Groves
• David Haye - Groves
• James DeGale - Groves
• Jamie Cox - Groves
• J'Leon Love - Groves
• Badou Jack - Groves
• Carl Froch - Eubank Jr.
• Robbie Davies Jr. - Eubank Jr.
• Lee Selby - Groves
• Danny Wilson - Groves
• Renold Quinlan - Eubank Jr.
• Chris ‘2Slick’ Kongo - Groves
• Ricky Hatton - Groves
• Johnny Nelson - Groves
• Andy Lee - Groves
• Anthony Crolla - Eubank Jr.
• Dougie Fischer - Eubank Jr.
• Zack Parker - Groves
Though FWIW British magazine Boxing Monthly ran a poll of fighters / trainers etc for their February edition that came out 20-10 in Eubank's favour.
If anyone really wants it I'll put up the entire list (too lazy otherwise), but it includes the likes of Derek Chisora, Clinton Woods, Johnny Nelson etc etc.
Just wondering E-O, where did you get the Lee Selby pick from? In the mag he goes for Eubank fairly emphatically. [edit] Also seen Adam Booth lean towards Eubank elsewhere, though he could just have changed his mind.
I got the info from videos and articles containing interview transcripts.
Also, it's important to note that people's opinions often change.
For example: Eddie Hearn initially favoured Eubank Jr., but now seems to opt for Groves.
Finally, the following URL provides Selby's opinion on this matter:
https://www.pinnacle.com/en/betting-art ... XS6E4DAUV6
Lee Selby - Welsh professional boxer and IBF featherweight title-holder since 2015, previously the European, British, and Commonwealth featherweight champion.
At first I thought Chris Eubank Jr, but after seeing the pair up close and head-to-head I would have to go with George Groves.
I think Groves’ size, power and strength will be the deciding factor in a great fight.
Prediction: Groves Points
Ah cool, cheers. Sounds like those remarks came sometime after the BM poll as well.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 17:57
by SenorPipino
Thomastearns wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 16:36
I'm going with the bookies too. There's nothing like having money on something to focus the mind.
Possible scenarios, likeliest first -
Eubank dominates late and wins on points
Eubank stops Groves on cuts
Groves gives Eubank Jr a thorough boxing lesson and wins lopsided decision
Groves scores sensational knockout
All these are possible, and its so tough to call. One minute you see Groves looking far from his best at the weigh-in, the next you remember that if Spike buzzed Eubank Jr in their encounter, what could Groves do?
Both guys are tremendous warriors, good luck to both.
It looks like you have every scenario covered except a draw (20-1 odds against).
Late odds list Eubanks as an 8-5 favorite.
Interstingly big puncher Groves is +300 to win by KO. Eubank is +175.
On the decision side, Groves is the longshot to win at +400. Eubanks is +275.
The odds tell us that Eubank will win by KO.
I think he'll take it by decision.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 18:38
by Enlightened-One
SenorPipino wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 17:57
Thomastearns wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 16:36
I'm going with the bookies too. There's nothing like having money on something to focus the mind.
Possible scenarios, likeliest first -
Eubank dominates late and wins on points
Eubank stops Groves on cuts
Groves gives Eubank Jr a thorough boxing lesson and wins lopsided decision
Groves scores sensational knockout
All these are possible, and its so tough to call. One minute you see Groves looking far from his best at the weigh-in, the next you remember that if Spike buzzed Eubank Jr in their encounter, what could Groves do?
Both guys are tremendous warriors, good luck to both.
It looks like you have every scenario covered except a draw (20-1 odds against).
Late odds list Eubanks as an 8-5 favorite.
Interstingly big puncher Groves is +300 to win by KO. Eubank is +175.
On the decision side, Groves is the longshot to win at +400. Eubanks is +275.
The odds tell us that Eubank will win by KO.
I think he'll take it by decision.
The cut is making Eubank Jr. gun shy. He's reluctant to fight on the inside due to the bad cut. The longer the fight goes, the more likely Chris gets stopped.
Eubank Jr. doesn't have one-punch KO power, so he's reliant on Groves tiring, but the fight is being fought at a sedate pace.
It's looking increasingly likely that Groves wins by decision or late referee stoppage, in a bout that hasn't fulfilled its hype.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 18:45
by Enlightened-One
I have the fight 60-55 to Groves with only the first round being even, due to both fighters being extremely cagey at the start of the bout.
It's not looking good for Eubank Jr. He needs to force Groves to work at a pace he can't maintain in order to stand a chance to win this bout.
I doubt Eubank Jr. can gain a decision victory with such a huge and obvious deficit on the judges scorecards.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 18:52
by Enlightened-One
The writing is on the wall. Unless a miracle happens, such as Eubank landing a one hitter quitter, Groves inevitably wins this bout by a proverbial country mile on the scorecards.
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 18:53
by SenorPipino
And I have the fight close. Groves by 1.
It's getting late. Isn't this where Eubank is supposed to take over?
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 18:56
by dagilechia
after 9 rounds i have it 5 4 Groves
Re: Eubank Jr brags about how is gonna squash Groves but will Jr be in for a rude awakening ?
Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 18:57
by Enlightened-One
Unfortunately the cut ruined the fight and prevented Eubank Jr. from engaging in toe-to-toe trench warfare.