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Eubank Jr was thinking of setting up base in America about 6 months ago.
Don’t be surprised if he ends up under Mayweather gym/brand.

The lifestyle and gym wars would suit him.

Hopefully he manages to listen to some of the trainers in there.

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:43 Eubank Jr was thinking of setting up base in America about 6 months ago.
Don’t be surprised if he ends up under Mayweather gym/brand.

The lifestyle and gym wars would suit him.

Hopefully he manages to listen to some of the trainers in there.

Floyd Sr. as his head trainer.
Go after Benavidez and the WBC Title?

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:40He simply isn't good enough to win titles at world level, if he fight for a title again, he will lose again, simple as.

If he wants another title shot, then he should pick up the british title as horse suggested, rack up some wins, and then get another shot - there may be a shite paper champ he can beat by then.

I suppose a fight with Truax might be winnable, but I think it would be a blood and guts war, and quite possible he gets beaten up, but not right now, and who knows how long truax will be champ.

I'd say there are plenty of fairly shite paper champions at super middleweight right now.

How bad are the champions ever likely to be?

Zeuge and Truax are guys he should be trying to get in the ring straight away, but in the meantime he should get some respectable domestic level wins while he's waiting.

Horse wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:41

freddydoesdallas wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:36So you don't have any respect for either Chris or his son Chris?

I don't respect that attitude, but I do respect both of those fighters.

That prideful insecurity does make me lose a fair bit of respect for anyone who refuses to drop back down to British level though.

That's good to know.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:40

freddydoesdallas wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:32

Horse wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:27 Cox and Smith both fought for world titles in their last fights.

I don't think that it would force the Eubanks to admit anything.

He can fight for the British title, whilst still calling out all of the world champions and claiming to be the World's best.

Stepping down from world title to British title is, in the eyes of many, a massive step down. They have thin skin and wouldn't do it. There are other fighters who would refuse it too, not just the Eubank family

He simply isn't good enough to win titles at world level, if he fight for a title again, he will lose again, simple as.

If he wants another title shot, then he should pick up the british title as horse suggested, rack up some wins, and then get another shot - there may be a shite paper champ he can beat by then.

I suppose a fight with Truax might be winnable, but I think it would be a blood and guts war, and quite possible he gets beaten up, but not right now, and who knows how long truax will be champ.

I fully agree that he's not good enough. I just don't think their egos could cope with dropping to british level. That doesn't fit the brand

freddydoesdallas wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:57I fully agree that he's not good enough. I just don't think their egos could cope with dropping to british level. That doesn't fit the brand

According to who?

Have they actually mentioned this weird disgust at ever fighting for the British title again?

Horse wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 17:02

freddydoesdallas wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:57I fully agree that he's not good enough. I just don't think their egos could cope with dropping to british level. That doesn't fit the brand

According to who?

Have they actually mentioned this weird disgust at ever fighting for the British title again?

Where's your evidence that they will?

Someone hit the nail on the head earlier, when they pointed out he needs to develop by fighting some different styles at a slightly lower level, instead of just anyone who will stand still and make him look good.

Forget all about titles for at least the next 18 months, if he isn't going to hire a proper trainer, he needs to be made to think inside the ring.

If he drops down to middleweight, Willie Monroe, Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam or even Tureano Johnson would make him think but still be beatable. If he comes through those ok, roll the dice against Demetrius Andrade (not looked overly convincing yet at 160) or Sergei Derevyanchenko (too much at the moment, takes Jr apart), then chase a Saunders rematch after that.

If he's adamant on remaining at 168, I think Sakio Bika is still around. For a bigger challenge, there's Braehmer (assuming Smith beats him, which isn't a given) or one of the Dirrells (who he may well lose to, but it's the type of fight that can educate him).

World titles shouldn't be on the agenda until mid-late 2019. He might beat Truax or Zeuge, but would he learn anything? The non-title, but trickier style matchup route puts him in a better position, should he ever get a Groves or Saunders rematch, or face any of the other top fighters.

he does have time to improve due to the fact the very thing he is lacking means he hasn't got the miles on the clock most have at his stage. no long amateur career to instill the basics suggests to me the skills deficit will be hard but not impossible to sort out. the big trouble for me is how does he pick up all that nuanced stuff that the top pro's do without realising because it is in their muscle memory.

he appears to have a tremendous chin but i think if he really got banged clean he wouldn't know how to react,and fighting at this weight there is a fair chance it will happen,maybe more so back at 160 given the higher quality . it is a crying shame his father (i was a massive fan back in the day) seems to have had such a negative influence on his development. i bet there are a serious number of boxers out there that would love having the chin, engine and athleticism he has. every physical trait required to compete at top level but not the skill set to go with them.

even drumming a good jab technique into him would be a huge improvement at the moment. well done to groves, he is an immensely likeable bloke that looked like his career could go either way after the second froch defeat,it took a lot of hard work to get back to where he is now .

His preferred route is to go back to the gym and do the same shite the very next day. Crack on lad, this stuff worked so well for you huh

wesshaw1985 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:45

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 16:43 Eubank Jr was thinking of setting up base in America about 6 months ago.
Don’t be surprised if he ends up under Mayweather gym/brand.

The lifestyle and gym wars would suit him.

Hopefully he manages to listen to some of the trainers in there.

Floyd Sr. as his head trainer.
Go after Benavidez and the WBC Title?

I think he should go back to Middleweight, but if he absolutely insists on staying at Super-Middle i'd swerve both Mexicans.

They're both big, rangy lads with good schooling. Think they'd both beat Jr clearly.

If Benavidez continues to improve at the rate he is he'd give Eubank a pasting by the time he's in a position to force the fight. I don't think they'd take it as a voluntary.

I'd give him a good shot of beating Truax now, I just hope it doesn't happen as I think Team Eubank are fully aware of his limitation now and would just sit on/milk the title with BS voluntries.

Akavov at Middleweight is my shout. Gave (a woefully out of shape) Saunders problems, so has a decent name. Is a relatively straight forward task to get Eubank back to winnings ways. He can then look to manouevre his way in to a cash-out fight against whoever is top dog by mid to late 2019.

He'll lose that and retire with more dough in the bank than his talent ever warrented.

Tough lad though and very entertaining to watch at fringe world level.

I think he should bang a few birds, unprotected, beat a few bums then cash out with a good hiding against GGG/Canelo/Saunders. Fast forward 18 years, the third gen should keep him and Grandad English relevant for a few more years.

tobyh5 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 02:08 His preferred route is to go back to the gym and do the same shite the very next day. Crack on lad, this stuff worked so well for you huh

kinda predictable. but then the Insta-generation followers he is targetting, are probably telling themselves how amazing he is, straight back in the gym 'pure hunger and dedication' #nextgen

the fact he posted this, and what he actually posted, tells us so much.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 05:12

tobyh5 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 02:08 His preferred route is to go back to the gym and do the same shite the very next day. Crack on lad, this stuff worked so well for you huh

kinda predictable. but then the Insta-generation followers he is targetting, are probably telling themselves how amazing he is, straight back in the gym 'pure hunger and dedication' #nextgen

the fact he posted this, and what he actually posted, tells us so much.

His twitter is full of people saying he won the fight, was the aggressor, backing GG up, forcing the fight etc. I seriously fcking hate social media, gives every c**t with a stupid opinion a voice. (One could say the same about forums and me/all of us I guess)

Lots of options for Eubank, still a name and very marketable, exciting fighter too.

Middleweight seems obvious, giving up weight gives up his strength advantage at the weight.
Unless he can transform himself to a canny, boxing genius he should leave the higher weights alone.

First thing he needs to do is getting snr out of the way, in terms of his boxing career. Get a good team behind him, not yes men. He needs to be with someone like Ingle, Booth - them type of trainers, that will not put up with his b*llsh*t.

Drop back down to Middleweight, suck up to Eddie again, and get a contract with Matchroom. He would be able to make Cox for the vacant British Middleweight title. Could be an undercard fight for a AJ fight or another PPV fight, so the money will be good. Maybe have another tune up fight. Then get in with Jacobs for a eliminator for a rematch with BJS or GGG/Canelo winner.

Jacobs is not the right fight for him!

Middleweight and go for Saunders.... if not Saunders then Danny Jacobs might be an option.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 06:25 Jacobs is not the right fight for him!

I would have Jacobs as a favorite, yes - but I think it would be a good fight in 2/3 fights time. Jnr would be reaching 30 while Jacobs would be 32/33 - the loser retires on good money while the winner goes onto a big world title fight

stujones wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 06:30 Middleweight and go for Saunders.... if not Saunders then Danny Jacobs might be an option.

Won't he lose both of those fights?

Has anyone said "Get a time machine & go back to when he was seven & also a baseball bat for any time his old man opens his mouth", yet?

Also, to answer what Stu was saying: Jacobs would do the same to Eubank that Groves did. Jacobs is a fuckin' huge middleweight now, he couldn't even keep the rehydro below a stone versus GGG when it was for all the marbles. He's also quicker (if more wasteful) on his feet than Groves & the movement would completely flummox him. He'd try to maul inside & get thrown about again. Jacobs would I think would ping Eubank so often with combos it'd be ugly, he might even stop him 'cos instead of abandoning what was working to load up on one big shot (Groves's party piece, in evidence again Saturday night) he'd just keep hitting him.

The Eubanks will be looking for easiest options available. That may include getting fights from blown up LMW's to get back ln track.

Interestingly enough as ive said in another post Kell Brook has been tweeting. So this is an option that should make some money.

I think the Eubanks will be wanting to get the most money for the easiest matches available, knowing that jr isnt as good as they thought or knew.

I doubt jr will drop his dad as the both together will keep the cash register from going rusty.

Eubank will now fight for money and the best ways to make it.

he should fight Martin Murray next, ideal in terms of levels/recognisable name/non-puncher/ likely to take him 12 rounds, perfect match for Junior IMO

fightfan95 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 06:22 suck up to Eddie again, and get a contract with Matchroom.

Why on earth would he want to do that?

wesshaw1985 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 07:19

fightfan95 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 06:22 suck up to Eddie again, and get a contract with Matchroom.

Why on earth would he want to do that?

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