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ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:47

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:22

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:16
Thanks ! Why don't you (Brits and Americans) accept the decimal system ? It is much more logical...............

I am neither Brit nor American. I work with either pounds or kilograms. Mostly pounds, though.
1KG = 2.2 pounds.

I learned (so long ago) to use feet and pounds because of boxing......So, Tyson Fury is already in shape, I expect him to face some real names.
Siablo, excuse me, I don't care for ethnicities or nationalities, I am here, on this forum, more than two years, and I know that Candyslim is a Brit, Best Coast and Tanzio are Americans, and that is all I know about.............

No worries, man. I am a Jamaican who is heavily influenced by American culture.

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 16:29

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:47

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:22
I am neither Brit nor American. I work with either pounds or kilograms. Mostly pounds, though.
1KG = 2.2 pounds.

I learned (so long ago) to use feet and pounds because of boxing......So, Tyson Fury is already in shape, I expect him to face some real names.
Siablo, excuse me, I don't care for ethnicities or nationalities, I am here, on this forum, more than two years, and I know that Candyslim is a Brit, Best Coast and Tanzio are Americans, and that is all I know about.............

No worries, man. I am a Jamaican who is heavily influenced by American culture.

I like L. Lewis, U. Bolt, Bob Marley .......Quite enough.............

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 16:51

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 16:29

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:47

I learned (so long ago) to use feet and pounds because of boxing......So, Tyson Fury is already in shape, I expect him to face some real names.
Siablo, excuse me, I don't care for ethnicities or nationalities, I am here, on this forum, more than two years, and I know that Candyslim is a Brit, Best Coast and Tanzio are Americans, and that is all I know about.............

No worries, man. I am a Jamaican who is heavily influenced by American culture.

I like L. Lewis, U. Bolt, Bob Marley .......Quite enough.............

Respect, man. Errol Spence Jr's parents are Jamaican. Kell Brook's biological father is Jamaican. Floyd Mayweather Jr's grandfather was Jamaican. If you look, you will find a sprinkling of Jamaican somewhere.

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 16:58

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 16:51

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 16:29
No worries, man. I am a Jamaican who is heavily influenced by American culture.

I like L. Lewis, U. Bolt, Bob Marley .......Quite enough.............

Respect, man. Errol Spence Jr's parents are Jamaican. Kell Brook's biological father is Jamaican. Floyd Mayweather Jr's grandfather was Jamaican. If you look, you will find a sprinkling of Jamaican somewhere.

I have never heard for these facts. I know for wonderful music, and good looking women. Naomi Campbell is Jamaican, as I know ...............and writer Zadie Smith (at least half-Jamaican)...............

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:11

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 16:58

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 16:51

I like L. Lewis, U. Bolt, Bob Marley .......Quite enough.............

Respect, man. Errol Spence Jr's parents are Jamaican. Kell Brook's biological father is Jamaican. Floyd Mayweather Jr's grandfather was Jamaican. If you look, you will find a sprinkling of Jamaican somewhere.

I have never heard for these facts. I know for wonderful music, and good looking women. Naomi Campbell is Jamaican, as I know ...............and writer Zadie Smith (at least half-Jamaican)...............

Malcolm Gladwell's mom is Jamaican and his dad is British.
Dillian Whyte is Jamaican.
David Haye's father is Jamaican
Allistair Overeem's dad is Jamaican
Raheem Sterling is Jamaican
Daniel Sturridge parent is Jamaican.

As I said, if you keep looking you will find a sprinkle of Jamaica somewhere.

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:27

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:11

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 16:58
Respect, man. Errol Spence Jr's parents are Jamaican. Kell Brook's biological father is Jamaican. Floyd Mayweather Jr's grandfather was Jamaican. If you look, you will find a sprinkling of Jamaican somewhere.

I have never heard for these facts. I know for wonderful music, and good looking women. Naomi Campbell is Jamaican, as I know ...............and writer Zadie Smith (at least half-Jamaican)...............

Malcolm Gladwell's mom is Jamaican and his dad is British.
Dillian Whyte is Jamaican.
David Haye's father is Jamaican
Allistair Overeem's dad is Jamaican
Raheem Sterling is Jamaican
Daniel Sturridge parent is Jamaican.

As I said, if you keep looking you will find a sprinkle of Jamaica somewhere.

I am waiting for the new HW great champion. Jamaican ? Why not ? Are there any good HW prospect in your country ?

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:33

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:27

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:11
I have never heard for these facts. I know for wonderful music, and good looking women. Naomi Campbell is Jamaican, as I know ...............and writer Zadie Smith (at least half-Jamaican)...............

Malcolm Gladwell's mom is Jamaican and his dad is British.
Dillian Whyte is Jamaican.
David Haye's father is Jamaican
Allistair Overeem's dad is Jamaican
Raheem Sterling is Jamaican
Daniel Sturridge parent is Jamaican.

As I said, if you keep looking you will find a sprinkle of Jamaica somewhere.

I am waiting for the new HW great champion. Jamaican ? Why not ? Are there any good HW prospect in your country ?

Nope. The last was Glen Johnson and he was based in Florida but he still had his Jamaican accent.
The second ever unified and undisputed Cruiserweight was Oneil Bell and he was a Jamaican.

Those are last truly Jamaicans who readily comes to my mind.

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:48

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:34

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 13:25

.......And if he beat Joshua ? Or Wilder ? Or Parker ?

We are talking reality here, right?

Is this possible ?

Extremely unlikely.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:51

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:48

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:34

We are talking reality here, right?

Is this possible ?

Extremely unlikely.

My opinion about Fury's (fit/healthy) chance against above mentioned fighters :
Fury vs. Joshua 50/50
Fury vs. Wilder 65/35
Fury vs. Parker 80/20

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:39

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:33

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:27
Malcolm Gladwell's mom is Jamaican and his dad is British.
Dillian Whyte is Jamaican.
David Haye's father is Jamaican
Allistair Overeem's dad is Jamaican
Raheem Sterling is Jamaican
Daniel Sturridge parent is Jamaican.

As I said, if you keep looking you will find a sprinkle of Jamaica somewhere.

I am waiting for the new HW great champion. Jamaican ? Why not ? Are there any good HW prospect in your country ?

Nope. The last was Glen Johnson and he was based in Florida but he still had his Jamaican accent.
The second ever unified and undisputed Cruiserweight was Oneil Bell and he was a Jamaican.

Those are last truly Jamaicans who readily comes to my mind.

Sad, very sad.............

There is, of course, a big difference between getting the weight off, and getting in shape for 12 hard rounds.

He needs a couple easier fights first

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:56

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:39

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:33
I am waiting for the new HW great champion. Jamaican ? Why not ? Are there any good HW prospect in your country ?

Nope. The last was Glen Johnson and he was based in Florida but he still had his Jamaican accent.
The second ever unified and undisputed Cruiserweight was Oneil Bell and he was a Jamaican.

Those are last truly Jamaicans who readily comes to my mind.

Sad, very sad.............

Keep hope though because boxing popularity is on the rise a bit here. We have a yearly boxing contest but that's the welterweight division. I know Lennox Lewis has a annual camp for boxers here too. So maybe with this renew interest, they may find a diamond in the rough soon.

for such a small population jamaica punches well above its weight in many areas. gorgeous women as well.

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:55

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 17:51

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:48

Is this possible ?

Extremely unlikely.

My opinion about Fury's (fit/healthy) chance against above mentioned fighters :
Fury vs. Joshua 50/50
Fury vs. Wilder 65/35
Fury vs. Parker 80/20

Anyone's opinion is fine, but another's opinion is equally fine and no less accurate. Fury is a sad excuse for a human being, much like Mike Tyson. Both have proved that time and time again, with either their acts or foul mouths.

That all said, Fury has done nothing since his (and Wlad's) horrible performance 2 years ago. Fury did what he had to win, but it was sad to watch. Since then he has done nothing other than embarrass himself and his country. If you need examples, you are not very intelligent or do not follow boxing at all. He will continue to be nothing other than a piece of shitt until he proves otherwise. I do, however, look forward to the day where he can compete competitively in the heavyweight scene.

Right now Fury does not stand a chance against any top 10 heavy, until he proves us wrong.

rab wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 19:48 for such a small population jamaica punches well above its weight in many areas. gorgeous women as well.

I realize that. Another reason is that Jamaicans are usually running to leave the island for greener pastures abroad.

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:16

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 14:19

ValMar wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 12:18 He looks quite fit . I watched him and his father (the older Fury looks a very dangerous guy) on YouTube. I couldn't understand them well (my bad English plus their terrible accent) but I think he told that his weight was about 18 stones. Is this something about 120 kg. ? I had learned to change kilograms to pounds so long ago, but stones ???
So, he looks ready and willing to continue his career. What do you expect ?

1 stone = 14 pounds

Thanks ! Why don't you (Brits and Americans) accept the decimal system ? It is much more logical...............

x2

The dark ages are long gone. Time to move on

Heretic wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 07:04

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:16

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 14:19

1 stone = 14 pounds

Thanks ! Why don't you (Brits and Americans) accept the decimal system ? It is much more logical...............

x2

The dark ages are long gone. Time to move on

X3
Imperial sucks.

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 15:16

siablo14 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 14:19

ValMar wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 12:18 He looks quite fit . I watched him and his father (the older Fury looks a very dangerous guy) on YouTube. I couldn't understand them well (my bad English plus their terrible accent) but I think he told that his weight was about 18 stones. Is this something about 120 kg. ? I had learned to change kilograms to pounds so long ago, but stones ???
So, he looks ready and willing to continue his career. What do you expect ?

1 stone = 14 pounds

Thanks ! Why don't you (Brits and Americans) accept the decimal system ? It is much more logical...............

I thought the Brits do use metrics. There is only one single highway in the USA that is marked in metrics.

Are there any current photos of Fury without a shirt?

thx to mimmy

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 18:25 thx to mimmy

Not bad, definitely.

ValMar wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 13:25

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 13:00 thats right, a fat loony tub of shitt who once beat Wlad Klitschko

.......And if he beat Joshua ? Or Wilder ? Or Parker ?

It's possible that he could get his shitt together long enough to beat Parker - but I'd have to see it to believe it... Beating Wilder at this point is unlikely... Beating Joshua just isn't going to happen... AJ not only knocked Wladimir down 3 times -- he kept the pressure on him and battered him out in the 11th round -- after never going a full 7 rounds before.

It's like asking Louis to beat Marciano after he got fat, sick, old, emotionally unbalanced, and his chin went south.

In the above photo Fury looks fat as Hell... He's a million miles from the condition he needs to be in.

Not sure I believe Fury when he says he is 18st 10lb, that is about the weight he was when he fought Chisora a few years ago and he looked a lot similar then, compared to know. I would say he is still around 20 stone (280 pounds).

The Tyson Fury we saw fight Klitschko would most likely beat Wilder and Parker, and I'd make him a slight favourite vs AJ also.
Saying that, I don't think we will see Fury at his best again.

..the question is not if you can go back to your "normal" weight, the question is if you can still deliver fighting the top guys..

it is hard to come back for anyone, but if
you went out in such weird way, the odds
are even worse.

jewboypgh wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 17:46 I like this Fury. He schooled Klitchko.
He knows his way around the ring.
I think he smacks Joshua and Wilder all over the place

I don't know about that but you can certainly imagine that scenario if Tyson was in the shape he was when he beat Klitschko, and there aren't too many people you could say that about. That's what makes him so interesting.

Wlad looked awful that night but that wasn't a coincidence. It was a perfect storm. Wlad, unbeaten in so long, was probably a little jaded and complacent, certainly not in the mental and physical shape he was for Joshua. Then by his own admission Wlad is not a natural boxer, he is largely manufactured. He was taught how to make the most of his height, reach and mobility, using his excellent jab, punching power, and swaying back out of range of shorter men when defending.

These advantages were totally ineffectual against a man 3" taller, with longer reach, and even more mobility, allied to natural awkwardness and unpredictability. Klitschko didn't know to cope wth him, couldn't set himself to throw punches against such an elusive target, and frequently got punished when he did. That's why Wlad threw so few punches and looked so demoralized. I think Klitschko on his best night beats Joshua (as of now), totally picks apart and destroys Wilder, but he'd always have trouble with (that) Fury.

Many people regard him as an arsehole and an embarrassment and I totally get that, but a Fury at the top of his game is a force to be reckoned with, and my favourite division can use more like that not fewer. Getting back to what he was is a very big ask, but he could hardly have made a better start so I remain hopeful.

Last thing - Valmar. I think your percentages are exactly how I see, it based on Tyson F at his best.