size is not a factor in this fight, which makes Suleckis chances slighty better
i always wonder why ppl post a picture of 1 guy being taller and think that = size
they did it too for khan vs canelo
sulecki is tall but hes a narrow guy with a slim build and super short reach. jack culcay was hurting him and pushing him around
he was extremely slim, as slim as possible he could be when moved to LMW, his reach from boxrec is totally wrong, if i remember it says there it's 173cm, in reality it's rather 183cm. Culcay fight was not the best performance and yeah Culcay was pushing him around, Jacobs was down vs Mora though
Re: Daniel Jacobs vs Maciej Sulecki - April 28th
Posted: 20 Feb 2018, 17:52
by dagilechia
Re: Daniel Jacobs vs Maciej Sulecki - April 28th
Posted: 21 Feb 2018, 07:33
by caldo2025
The reason that most people are dogging this fight is because of the fact that the fight absolutely sucks and so does the card. Boxing's brightest in 2018 are being matched softly so far so they better put some entertainment on the schedule for the second half of the year because so far, Boxing absolutely sucks this year. SUCKS.
Re: Daniel Jacobs vs Maciej Sulecki - April 28th
Posted: 21 Feb 2018, 07:56
by dagilechia
Sulecki sucks for most just because he is unknown
Jacobs was underdog vs Golovkin about as much as Sulecki is vs Jacobs
Re: Daniel Jacobs vs Maciej Sulecki - April 28th
Posted: 21 Feb 2018, 11:00
by TempleSlave
I think it's another example of top Polish boxers not being managed properly. This match up has a high(ish) reward vs very high risk ratio. It looks to me that sadly Sulecki is being fed to Jacobs, more or less the way talented prime Proksa was to hungry and up and coming Golovkin (who wasn't even at the top yet so not a huge reward at stake). And after the brutal beatdown Proksa was never the same again. Hope I'm wrong here but I predict an evening full of pain and possibly a short one for Maciej.
Re: Daniel Jacobs vs Maciej Sulecki - April 28th
Posted: 21 Feb 2018, 11:30
by dagilechia
TempleSlave wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 11:00
I think it's another example of top Polish boxers not being managed properly. This match up has a high(ish) reward vs very high risk ratio. It looks to me that sadly Sulecki is being fed to Jacobs, more or less the way talented prime Proksa was to hungry and up and coming Golovkin (who wasn't even at the top yet so not a huge reward at stake). And after the brutal beatdown Proksa was never the same again. Hope I'm wrong here but I predict an evening full of pain and possibly a short one for Maciej.
maybe you are right but the fight will show us, i think Sulecki is ready for big fights, i do not expect him to win (though i give him some slim chances), but i can see it to be at least similar fight to Stevenson vs Fonfara 1, not like Golovkin vs Proksa or Jennings vs Szpilka
Re: Daniel Jacobs vs Maciej Sulecki - April 28th
Posted: 21 Feb 2018, 11:53
by boxing_rocks
The problem of Polish fighters is not being managed poorly but being trained poorly. They are just not on the top level and will never be unless they hire American, British, etc. trainers.
Re: Daniel Jacobs vs Maciej Sulecki - April 28th
Posted: 21 Feb 2018, 13:09
by dagilechia
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 11:53
The problem of Polish fighters is not being managed poorly but being trained poorly. They are just not on the top level and will never be unless they hire American, British, etc. trainers.
i don't think that a trainer that you dont understand at all in a corner due to language bareer is a good option. Adamek was the best with trainer Andrzej Gmitruk in his corner, Glowacki and Wlodarczyk won their titles with Fiodor Lapin, Szpilka was trained by him too, and after he switched to Ronnie Shields i don't think he actually improved. Masternak was also decreasing with foreign trainers, he is back to Gmitruk too. Ugonoh also switched from Barry to Gmitruk. by the way he has now again a group of nice fighters: Sulecki, Masternak, Ugonoh, Szpilka.
but saying that, i think there are only 2 good trainers in Poland now. of course USA or UK has got lot more of better trainerst than these i mentioned but if the fighter does not speak english i think it is a too big problem and it's just not worth it. Sulecki is with his Polish trainer Gmitruk but plans to go to sparrings to the UK for 1 or 2 weeks, i think it's a very good idea. i think Polish fighters should be looking for better trainers and sparrings rather in UK than USA and try to enter this scene
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 11:53
The problem of Polish fighters is not being managed poorly but being trained poorly. They are just not on the top level and will never be unless they hire American, British, etc. trainers.
i don't think that a trainer that you dont understand at all in a corner due to language bareer is a good option. Adamek was the best with trainer Andrzej Gmitruk in his corner, Glowacki and Wlodarczyk won their titles with Fiodor Lapin, Szpilka was trained by him too, and after he switched to Ronnie Shields i don't think he actually improved. Masternak was also decreasing with foreign trainers, he is back to Gmitruk too. Ugonoh also switched from Barry to Gmitruk. by the way he has now again a group of nice fighters: Sulecki, Masternak, Ugonoh, Szpilka.
but saying that, i think there are only 2 good trainers in Poland now. of course USA or UK has got lot more of better trainerst than these i mentioned but if the fighter does not speak english i think it is a too big problem and it's just not worth it. Sulecki is with his Polish trainer Gmitruk but plans to go to sparrings to the UK for 1 or 2 weeks, i think it's a very good idea. i think Polish fighters should be looking for better trainers and sparrings rather in UK than USA and try to enter this scene
Your examples just proved what I said: with those trainers, the fighters you mentioned have never gotten on an elite level. Maybe, these fighters themselves weren't capable enough themselves, but if boxing is popular in Poland, then with top trainers somebody would break into elite by now.
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 11:53
The problem of Polish fighters is not being managed poorly but being trained poorly. They are just not on the top level and will never be unless they hire American, British, etc. trainers.
i don't think that a trainer that you dont understand at all in a corner due to language bareer is a good option. Adamek was the best with trainer Andrzej Gmitruk in his corner, Glowacki and Wlodarczyk won their titles with Fiodor Lapin, Szpilka was trained by him too, and after he switched to Ronnie Shields i don't think he actually improved. Masternak was also decreasing with foreign trainers, he is back to Gmitruk too. Ugonoh also switched from Barry to Gmitruk. by the way he has now again a group of nice fighters: Sulecki, Masternak, Ugonoh, Szpilka.
but saying that, i think there are only 2 good trainers in Poland now. of course USA or UK has got lot more of better trainerst than these i mentioned but if the fighter does not speak english i think it is a too big problem and it's just not worth it. Sulecki is with his Polish trainer Gmitruk but plans to go to sparrings to the UK for 1 or 2 weeks, i think it's a very good idea. i think Polish fighters should be looking for better trainers and sparrings rather in UK than USA and try to enter this scene
Your examples just proved what I said: with those trainers, the fighters you mentioned have never gotten on an elite level. Maybe, these fighters themselves weren't capable enough themselves, but if boxing is popular in Poland, then with top trainers somebody would break into elite by now.
well, i think LHW and CW Adamek was elite fighter at the time. Wlodarczyk and Glowacki achieved more than expected. Szpilka switched from Lapin to Shields after beating Adamek and then from Shields to Gmitruk after Kownacki loss. i think it's rather problem with fighters than trianers, there is just a lack o talents that do boxing. amateur boxing in Poland is almost dead, there is no national boxing league, boxing federation is full of corrupt people that some of them remember pre-1989 boxing federation functioning. i think now young people just choose mma instead, but most of people train hobbisticaly. due to lack of good amateur boxing system (and money...) young adepts just train for themselves rather than to achieve something on a high level. it's sad, because Poland once had really great achievement in amateur boxing. but now, last medal for Poland at olympics was 1992 Wojciech Bartnik bronze at LHW. if there is a problem with schooling system, then it's rather at the very beginning rather than already at pro level, but it's just my opinion.
sad but i think that boxing losses it's population to mma in Poland. people in their 40s and older rather follow boxing than mma, 30s are mixed, but people in their 20s rather follow mma than boxing. but mma in Poland is a joke, strongmans, bodybuilders, actors, rappers etc fight each other and it brings 60000 to the stadium and makes the highest ppv numbers in country history, while at Glowacki vs Usyk the arena of 15000 was not even full and ppv numbers were low
i don't think that a trainer that you dont understand at all in a corner due to language bareer is a good option. Adamek was the best with trainer Andrzej Gmitruk in his corner, Glowacki and Wlodarczyk won their titles with Fiodor Lapin, Szpilka was trained by him too, and after he switched to Ronnie Shields i don't think he actually improved. Masternak was also decreasing with foreign trainers, he is back to Gmitruk too. Ugonoh also switched from Barry to Gmitruk. by the way he has now again a group of nice fighters: Sulecki, Masternak, Ugonoh, Szpilka.
but saying that, i think there are only 2 good trainers in Poland now. of course USA or UK has got lot more of better trainerst than these i mentioned but if the fighter does not speak english i think it is a too big problem and it's just not worth it. Sulecki is with his Polish trainer Gmitruk but plans to go to sparrings to the UK for 1 or 2 weeks, i think it's a very good idea. i think Polish fighters should be looking for better trainers and sparrings rather in UK than USA and try to enter this scene
Your examples just proved what I said: with those trainers, the fighters you mentioned have never gotten on an elite level. Maybe, these fighters themselves weren't capable enough themselves, but if boxing is popular in Poland, then with top trainers somebody would break into elite by now.
well, i think LHW and CW Adamek was elite fighter at the time. Wlodarczyk and Glowacki achieved more than expected. Szpilka switched from Lapin to Shields after beating Adamek and then from Shields to Gmitruk after Kownacki loss. i think it's rather problem with fighters than trianers, there is just a lack o talents that do boxing. amateur boxing in Poland is almost dead, there is no national boxing league, boxing federation is full of corrupt people that some of them remember pre-1989 boxing federation functioning. i think now young people just choose mma instead, but most of people train hobbisticaly. due to lack of good amateur boxing system (and money...) young adepts just train for themselves rather than to achieve something on a high level. it's sad, because Poland once had really great achievement in amateur boxing. but now, last medal for Poland at olympics was 1992 Wojciech Bartnik bronze at LHW. if there is a problem with schooling system, then it's rather at the very beginning rather than already at pro level, but it's just my opinion.
sad but i think that boxing losses it's population to mma in Poland. people in their 40s and older rather follow boxing than mma, 30s are mixed, but people in their 20s rather follow mma than boxing. but mma in Poland is a joke, strongmans, bodybuilders, actors, rappers etc fight each other and it brings 60000 to the stadium and makes the highest ppv numbers in country history, while at Glowacki vs Usyk the arena of 15000 was not even full and ppv numbers were low
Gmitruk seems to be a solid coach, judging by how his fighters change after starting working with him. Sulęcki seems to be a decent boxer but I would definitely not match him up against arguably one of the top 3 in the division, hard hitter plus the guy who is underrated so won’t exactly generate a huge money fight. I’d rather see Sulęcki have a couple of fights against the likes of Murray, Monroe jr, maybe Trout or Stevens for a good name in the CV. Each of these would be a good step up fight but not as steep as vs Jacobs.
