Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz

[asdfjkl]

Wilder will receive a hell of a lot of credits if he takes this fight, or well, at least from me.
Somehow I have the feeling that even his own fans don't believe Wilder dares to show up and face him any more.
Barely any tickets sold yet because they all think Wilder will eventually fight a bum again, most likely Charles Martin who got shot by a gun quite recently.

Ah well, I hope Wilder will fight against Ortiz and I hope it will become a fair fight, may the best men win! Even though I can understand that most Wilder fans hope that the worst men will win.

[Thomastearns]

If only half the tickets have been sold with two weeks left then something is very wrong with Wilder's promotion. This promises to be an explosive fight with opinions sharply divided.

Wilder doesn't yet have anything like Joshua's support and he's far from being the man everyone wants to see beaten. I get the feeling that he's a nice guy and that playing the villain doesn't suit him.

Once Ortiz is out of the way Deontay Wilder is going to have to build up his popularity substantially. I can't see any reason why he can't be as big as Joshua. It's far too early for him to be making any comparisons to Iron Mike though.

[bigman1968]

If only half the tickets have been sold with two weeks left then something is very wrong with Wilder's promotion. This promises to be an explosive fight with opinions sharply divided.

Wilder doesn't yet have anything like Joshua's support and he's far from being the man everyone wants to see beaten. I get the feeling that he's a nice guy and that playing the villain doesn't suit him.

Once Ortiz is out of the way Deontay Wilder is going to have to build up his popularity substantially. I can't see any reason why he can't be as big as Joshua. It's far too early for him to be making any comparisons to Iron Mike though.

Boxing is much more popular in UK than in US! US sport fans have at least 4 more proffesional sports much more popular than any combat sport....Football(US), Baseball, Basketball, Ice Hokey...and they also have NCAA.
In UK it's only Football(the original) Premier League that take the money....
So Wilder in US will never half as popular as AJ in UK

[Thomastearns]

If only half the tickets have been sold with two weeks left then something is very wrong with Wilder's promotion. This promises to be an explosive fight with opinions sharply divided.

Wilder doesn't yet have anything like Joshua's support and he's far from being the man everyone wants to see beaten. I get the feeling that he's a nice guy and that playing the villain doesn't suit him.

Once Ortiz is out of the way Deontay Wilder is going to have to build up his popularity substantially. I can't see any reason why he can't be as big as Joshua. It's far too early for him to be making any comparisons to Iron Mike though.

Boxing is much more popular in UK than in US! US sport fans have at least 4 more proffesional sports much more popular than any combat sport....Football(US), Baseball, Basketball, Ice Hokey...and they also have NCAA.
In UK it's only Football(the original) Premier League that take the money....
So Wilder in US will never half as popular as AJ in UK

I'm inclined to agree but we've been here before in the US. It just takes one superstar to emerge and before you know it you have another Ali, or a Tyson. The US love winners, and if Wilder can get past Ortiz, outboxing him if necessary, and then win the mega fight against AJ, he could move into Floyd territory.

With talents like Mark Breland behind him I wouldn't rule anything out yet.

[SenorPipino]

Outside of De La Hoya and Mayweather, there really hasn't been any American boxers who have captured true mainstream attention here in the US since the Tyson era.

Pacquiao is the only foreign fighter who the casual boxing fan or general sports fan here can recognize.

It's true that Americans are far more interested in other sports. Boxing is just something to tune to while your channel surfing for most US sports fans.

It's seldom appointment viewing.

I don't believe that a Wilder-Joshua PPV fight here would do much more than 400,000 buys. And that's being optimistic.

You might even need to sprinkle the undercard with a host of Latino fighters to pull that number.

[Badhusker]

Wilder will receive a hell of a lot of credits if he takes this fight, or well, at least from me.
Somehow I have the feeling that even his own fans don't believe Wilder dares to show up and face him any more.
Barely any tickets sold yet because they all think Wilder will eventually fight a bum again, most likely Charles Martin who got shot by a gun quite recently.

Ah well, I hope Wilder will fight against Ortiz and I hope it will become a fair fight, may the best men win! Even though I can understand that most Wilder fans hope that the worst men will win.

Only about a week left to hear your tired rhetoric about why Wilder won't fight Ortiz.

[SenorPipino]

Wilder will receive a hell of a lot of credits if he takes this fight, or well, at least from me.
Somehow I have the feeling that even his own fans don't believe Wilder dares to show up and face him any more.
Barely any tickets sold yet because they all think Wilder will eventually fight a bum again, most likely Charles Martin who got shot by a gun quite recently.

Ah well, I hope Wilder will fight against Ortiz and I hope it will become a fair fight, may the best men win! Even though I can understand that most Wilder fans hope that the worst men will win.

Only about a week left to hear your tired rhetoric about why Wilder won't fight Ortiz.

I don't quite understand it either, but it apparently has something to do with Americans doctoring drug tests, Wilder being a criminal coward and some convoluted plot to insert the mortally wounded Charles Martin in place of Ortiz.

And Shannon Briggs lurks on the periphery of all this.

And if I'm wrong, feel free to straighten me out.

[Kalan]

If only half the tickets have been sold with two weeks left then something is very wrong with Wilder's promotion. This promises to be an explosive fight with opinions sharply divided.

Wilder doesn't yet have anything like Joshua's support and he's far from being the man everyone wants to see beaten. I get the feeling that he's a nice guy and that playing the villain doesn't suit him.

Once Ortiz is out of the way Deontay Wilder is going to have to build up his popularity substantially. I can't see any reason why he can't be as big as Joshua. It's far too early for him to be making any comparisons to Iron Mike though.

Americans don't like Wilder because he's an ignorant ass who said he planned on killing his last opponent... He knows killing is legal if it's done in a boxing ring, but who says things like that?

I hope Ortiz gets rid of this tattooed fool, but I’m afraid Wilder might be around for another decade… Ortiz is starting to look like an aging Sonny Liston.. He's got high blood pressure... Versus Leotis Martin, Sonny’s punches lacked the old crispness and power. Martin was waiting and waiting for a big opening and it happened.

[Best Coast]

Wilder will receive a hell of a lot of credits if he takes this fight, or well, at least from me.
Somehow I have the feeling that even his own fans don't believe Wilder dares to show up and face him any more.
Barely any tickets sold yet because they all think Wilder will eventually fight a bum again, most likely Charles Martin who got shot by a gun quite recently.

Ah well, I hope Wilder will fight against Ortiz and I hope it will become a fair fight, may the best men win! Even though I can understand that most Wilder fans hope that the worst men will win.

Only about a week left to hear your tired rhetoric about why Wilder won't fight Ortiz.

I don't quite understand it either, but it apparently has something to do with Americans doctoring drug tests, Wilder being a criminal coward and some convoluted plot to insert the mortally wounded Charles Martin in place of Ortiz.

And Shannon Briggs lurks on the periphery of all this.

And if I'm wrong, feel free to straighten me out.

Sounds like conspiracy theorist kookery to me.

If the Wilder-Ortiz fight actually comes off & isnt cancelled at the last minute, rational people will consider you to be proven wrong and straightened out!!

[Best Coast]

Americans don't like Wilder because he's an ignorant ass who said he planned on killing his last opponent... He knows killing is legal if it's done in a boxing ring, but who says things like that?

Speak for yourself...are you even American? I know lots of fight fans (both boxing & MMA) who are amused by trash-talk, whether it be Conor McGregor, Mayweather or even political figures. Non-emos realize such trash-talk is nothing more than pre-fight promotional hype that means nothing once the $$$$ are counted. Wilder is not the first fighter to say he would "kill" his opponent and he wont be the last.

Maybe you didnt notice that immediately after the Mayweather-McG fight they hugged it out and congratulated each other for helping themselves to make multiple million$$$ with their trash-talk. I'm sure you must must have been deeply offended by their "racist" & "homophobic" trash talk.

[asdfjkl]

Americans don't like Wilder because he's an ignorant ass who said he planned on killing his last opponent... He knows killing is legal if it's done in a boxing ring, but who says things like that?

Speak for yourself...are you even American? I know lots of fight fans (both boxing & MMA) who are amused by trash-talk, whether it be Conor McGregor, Mayweather or even political figures. Non-emos realize such trash-talk is nothing more than pre-fight promotional hype that means nothing once the $$$$ are counted. Wilder is not the first fighter to say he would "kill" his opponent and he wont be the last.

Maybe you didnt notice that immediately after the Mayweather-McG fight they hugged it out and congratulated each other for helping themselves to make multiple million$$$ with their trash-talk. I'm sure you must must have been deeply offended by their "racist" & "homophobic" trash talk.

But they don't step in the ring with people so weak, that they know from very well that their life is at risk. If I'm smashing an old dementing granny in her face, then there is a fair chance she will die. Stiverne is an old, fat, out of shape dementing guyand there was a very big chance of him dying in the ring, we are all very lucky to see Wilder doesn't have such a hard punch, Klitschko would have killed him with the same punch he gave AJ.

[Thomastearns]

Americans don't like Wilder because he's an ignorant ass who said he planned on killing his last opponent... He knows killing is legal if it's done in a boxing ring, but who says things like that?

Speak for yourself...are you even American? I know lots of fight fans (both boxing & MMA) who are amused by trash-talk, whether it be Conor McGregor, Mayweather or even political figures. Non-emos realize such trash-talk is nothing more than pre-fight promotional hype that means nothing once the $$$$ are counted. Wilder is not the first fighter to say he would "kill" his opponent and he wont be the last.

Maybe you didnt notice that immediately after the Mayweather-McG fight they hugged it out and congratulated each other for helping themselves to make multiple million$$$ with their trash-talk. I'm sure you must must have been deeply offended by their "racist" & "homophobic" trash talk.

Mayweather - McGregor will be remembered mainly for two things, the promotion and the purse.marketFloyd Mayweather can make $180 million+ for one 'fight' everyone in the sport needs to take notice.

He does have the advantage of coming from a fight family and knows the game better than any fighter in history but there's no reason why others can't learn something from him.

The problem is that although Mayweather's ahead of the game, he knows he can only pull off each trick once - the public won't want to get stung the same way twice. Therefore those wishing to follow will need to accept significantly more risk than he did in getting to the top of the money mountain.

Boxing has to have a showbusiness element and needs to understand the market. Some fighters today wisely look for big money/low risk fights instead of the high profile fights which the fans are demanding.

But if they really want to be like 'money' Mayweather they will need to be more innovative, and more entertaining outside the ring, as well as inside.

No one ever said that boxing is easy. But it is all about the fans.

[Enlightened-One]

The problem with Deontay Wilder relates to the fact that he captured an alphabet version of the world title, during a time when Wladimir Klitschko held all the other belts.

Nobody considered the winner of the Arreola- Stiverne fight, for the vacant WBC title, as a legitimate world heavyweight champion and the situation didn’t change when Deontay eventually dethroned Bermane.

Deontay Wilder’s “title” challengers during championship reign weren’t popular fighters and none of them were considered as top-notch world-rated boxers either, so this explains the reason why the WBC champion hasn’t received much recognition for those victories.

A lot of people honestly believe that next weekend’s Wilder-Ortiz bout is a pick ‘em type of fight, whereby both men have a 50% chance of emerging victorious, but the sad truth is, the Cuban has been specifically chosen to lose… and lose badly, in order to help promote an eventual mega-money super-fight between the American and his highest-profile rival, Anthony Joshua.

I believe next weekend’s WBC world title fight fight is going to play out like the Witherspoon-Smith and the Klitschko-Solis bouts, with Wilder-Ortiz seemingly considered a potentially exciting and very competitive match-up on paper, but will ultimately turn into a one-sided beat-down that could end within three rounds.

I don’t expect Luis Ortiz to be remotely competitive in this fight, even if he is fortunate enough to go the distance; if the Cuban is lucky enough to survive and hear the final end of the 12th round bell, he’ll inevitably lose against Deontay in a similar fashion to how Bermane Stiverne got badly outpointed during his first bout against Wilder.

[Loki]

The problem with Deontay Wilder relates to the fact that he captured an alphabet version of the world title, during a time when Wladimir Klitschko held all the other belts.

Nobody considered the winner of the Arreola- Stiverne fight, for the vacant WBC title, as a legitimate world heavyweight champion and the situation didn’t change when Deontay eventually dethroned Bermane.

Deontay Wilder’s “title” challengers during championship reign weren’t popular fighters and none of them were considered as top-notch world-rated boxers either, so this explains the reason why the WBC champion hasn’t received much recognition for those victories.

A lot of people honestly believe that next weekend’s Wilder-Ortiz bout is a pick ‘em type of fight, whereby both men have a 50% chance of emerging victorious, but the sad truth is, the Cuban has been specifically chosen to lose… and lose badly, in order to help promote an eventual mega-money super-fight between the American and his highest-profile rival, Anthony Joshua.

I believe next weekend’s WBC world title fight fight is going to play out like the Witherspoon-Smith and the Klitschko-Solis bouts, with Wilder-Ortiz seemingly considered a potentially exciting and very competitive match-up on paper, but will ultimately turn into a one-sided beat-down that could end within three rounds.

I don’t expect Luis Ortiz to be remotely competitive in this fight, even if he is fortunate enough to go the distance; if the Cuban is lucky enough to survive and hear the final end of the 12th round bell, he’ll inevitably lose against Deontay in a similar fashion to how Bermane Stiverne got badly outpointed during his first bout against Wilder.

Quite possibly, but I don’t think Ortiz has come to lose. I can quite possibly see Wilder getting iced. Either way, I feel we will found out how good Deontay is and at what level. I can see an upset on the horizon.

[Best Coast]

Americans don't like Wilder because he's an ignorant ass who said he planned on killing his last opponent... He knows killing is legal if it's done in a boxing ring, but who says things like that?

Speak for yourself...are you even American? I know lots of fight fans (both boxing & MMA) who are amused by trash-talk, whether it be Conor McGregor, Mayweather or even political figures. Non-emos realize such trash-talk is nothing more than pre-fight promotional hype that means nothing once the $$$$ are counted. Wilder is not the first fighter to say he would "kill" his opponent and he wont be the last.

Maybe you didnt notice that immediately after the Mayweather-McG fight they hugged it out and congratulated each other for helping themselves to make multiple million$$$ with their trash-talk. I'm sure you must must have been deeply offended by their "racist" & "homophobic" trash talk.

But they don't step in the ring with people so weak, that they know from very well that their life is at risk. If I'm smashing an old dementing granny in her face, then there is a fair chance she will die. Stiverne is an old, fat, out of shape dementing guy and there was a very big chance of him dying in the ring, we are all very lucky to see Wilder doesn't have such a hard punch, Klitschko would have killed him with the same punch he gave AJ.

Sorry, but you're being WAY too much of a drama queen.

Anyone who has followed boxing for any serious length of time knows that most every ring death in recent history has been from an accumulation of punches and not just one single shot.

Stiverne is an out-of-shape pig but his life was never in serious danger. To compare him to some "old demented granny" is limp-wristed drama queenery at its finest.

If you dont like Wilder, that's fine...but dont resort to nonsensical emo BS to try to justify your feelings. Just say "I think Wilder's a punk" and move on...

[Best Coast]

Americans don't like Wilder because he's an ignorant ass who said he planned on killing his last opponent... He knows killing is legal if it's done in a boxing ring, but who says things like that?

Speak for yourself...are you even American? I know lots of fight fans (both boxing & MMA) who are amused by trash-talk, whether it be Conor McGregor, Mayweather or even political figures. Non-emos realize such trash-talk is nothing more than pre-fight promotional hype that means nothing once the $$$$ are counted. Wilder is not the first fighter to say he would "kill" his opponent and he wont be the last.

Maybe you didnt notice that immediately after the Mayweather-McG fight they hugged it out and congratulated each other for helping themselves to make multiple million$$$ with their trash-talk. I'm sure you must must have been deeply offended by their "racist" & "homophobic" trash talk.

Mayweather - McGregor will be remembered mainly for two things, the promotion and the purse.marketFloyd Mayweather can make $180 million+ for one 'fight' everyone in the sport needs to take notice.

He does have the advantage of coming from a fight family and knows the game better than any fighter in history but there's no reason why others can't learn something from him.

The problem is that although Mayweather's ahead of the game, he knows he can only pull off each trick once - the public won't want to get stung the same way twice. Therefore those wishing to follow will need to accept significantly more risk than he did in getting to the top of the money mountain.

Boxing has to have a showbusiness element and needs to understand the market. Some fighters today wisely look for big money/low risk fights instead of the high profile fights which the fans are demanding.

But if they really want to be like 'money' Mayweather they will need to be more innovative, and more entertaining outside the ring, as well as inside.

No one ever said that boxing is easy. But it is all about the fans.

Thanks for the insight amigo! I agree with most everything you said. About the only thing you left out about Floyd was his formula for marketability. When Top Rank promoted him Arum was very short-sighted & tried to promote him as some All-American Olympic medal winner. His biggest PPV numbers under Arum were 465,000 vs Gatti.

When GBP took over FLoyd's promotion he portrayed Floyd as the villain and did 2.4+ million PPV buys. Then Floyd took it to another level vs Pac & McGregor, almost doubling the De La Hoya numbers.

Floyd's marketing relied on HATERS as much as fans, unlike traditional marketing which relies primarily on fans. He knew there would be just as many (or even more) tuning in to see him get beat!!

The sheer genius of Mayweather-McGregor was that it featured two villains who were both non-stop trash-talking buttholes.

That could be the last time we see a megafight with a double dose of villainy!! That's what allowed Floyd to pull off such a low-risk high-reward strategy. As you pointed out, Floyd will never be able to pull that off again...that's clearly a one-and-done strategy!!

[Best Coast]

The problem with Deontay Wilder relates to the fact that he captured an alphabet version of the world title, during a time when Wladimir Klitschko held all the other belts.

Nobody considered the winner of the Arreola- Stiverne fight, for the vacant WBC title, as a legitimate world heavyweight champion and the situation didn’t change when Deontay eventually dethroned Bermane.

Deontay Wilder’s “title” challengers during championship reign weren’t popular fighters and none of them were considered as top-notch world-rated boxers either, so this explains the reason why the WBC champion hasn’t received much recognition for those victories.

A lot of people honestly believe that next weekend’s Wilder-Ortiz bout is a pick ‘em type of fight, whereby both men have a 50% chance of emerging victorious, but the sad truth is, the Cuban has been specifically chosen to lose… and lose badly, in order to help promote an eventual mega-money super-fight between the American and his highest-profile rival, Anthony Joshua.

I believe next weekend’s WBC world title fight fight is going to play out like the Witherspoon-Smith and the Klitschko-Solis bouts, with Wilder-Ortiz seemingly considered a potentially exciting and very competitive match-up on paper, but will ultimately turn into a one-sided beat-down that could end within three rounds.

I don’t expect Luis Ortiz to be remotely competitive in this fight, even if he is fortunate enough to go the distance; if the Cuban is lucky enough to survive and hear the final end of the 12th round bell, he’ll inevitably lose against Deontay in a similar fashion to how Bermane Stiverne got badly outpointed during his first bout against Wilder.

Quite possibly, but I don’t think Ortiz has come to lose. I can quite possibly see Wilder getting iced. Either way, I feel we will found out how good Deontay is and at what level. I can see an upset on the horizon.

Agree totally. Ortiz is easily the best fighter Wilder has ever faced. I recently watched highlights of Wilder-Stiverne I and Wilder took some really hard shots from Stiverne. Ortiz hits WAY harder than Stiverne or anyone else Deontay has fought. If the Cuban catches Wilder with a full-on power shot it's lights out Deontay!!

So at the very least I see Ortiz with a very strong puncher's chance!!

[asdfjkl]

Speak for yourself...are you even American? I know lots of fight fans (both boxing & MMA) who are amused by trash-talk, whether it be Conor McGregor, Mayweather or even political figures. Non-emos realize such trash-talk is nothing more than pre-fight promotional hype that means nothing once the $$$$ are counted. Wilder is not the first fighter to say he would "kill" his opponent and he wont be the last.

Maybe you didnt notice that immediately after the Mayweather-McG fight they hugged it out and congratulated each other for helping themselves to make multiple million$$$ with their trash-talk. I'm sure you must must have been deeply offended by their "racist" & "homophobic" trash talk.

But they don't step in the ring with people so weak, that they know from very well that their life is at risk. If I'm smashing an old dementing granny in her face, then there is a fair chance she will die. Stiverne is an old, fat, out of shape dementing guy and there was a very big chance of him dying in the ring, we are all very lucky to see Wilder doesn't have such a hard punch, Klitschko would have killed him with the same punch he gave AJ.

Sorry, but you're being WAY too much of a drama queen.

Anyone who has followed boxing for any serious length of time knows that most every ring death in recent history has been from an accumulation of punches and not just one single shot.

Stiverne is an out-of-shape pig but his life was never in serious danger. To compare him to some "old demented granny" is limp-wristed drama queenery at its finest.

If you dont like Wilder, that's fine...but dont resort to nonsensical emo BS to try to justify your feelings. Just say "I think Wilder's a punk" and move on...

Nonono, I said it months and months beforehand, this was a dangerous match, Stiverne vs anyone with a heartbeat is currently a danger for Stiverne.
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... s#p4694688

Stiverne was at danger and I would have blamed the WBC if he would have died that night. There was a reason I predicted a first round KO, correctly.

I even wrote this later on:

Derric Rossy, Stiverne his last opponent, yesterday got TKOed after several KDs in 4 rounds against this barely top 100 cruiserweight:
http://boxrec.com/boxer/489720

Stiverne, who got KD himself against Rossy is not facing a rank 100 cruiserweight, but a heavyweight champion of the world!

TBH I think even a rank 200 cruiserweight currently has a very fair chance of not just winning, but even KO Stiverne within 8 rounds.

[Wales]

If only half the tickets have been sold with two weeks left then something is very wrong with Wilder's promotion. This promises to be an explosive fight with opinions sharply divided.

Wilder doesn't yet have anything like Joshua's support and he's far from being the man everyone wants to see beaten. I get the feeling that he's a nice guy and that playing the villain doesn't suit him.

Once Ortiz is out of the way Deontay Wilder is going to have to build up his popularity substantially. I can't see any reason why he can't be as big as Joshua. It's far too early for him to be making any comparisons to Iron Mike though.

Boxing is much more popular in UK than in US! US sport fans have at least 4 more proffesional sports much more popular than any combat sport....Football(US), Baseball, Basketball, Ice Hokey...and they also have NCAA.
In UK it's only Football(the original) Premier League that take the money....
So Wilder in US will never half as popular as AJ in UK

In The uk
Boxing is 10th in participation figures
Boxing is 9th regards to viewing figures

Six nations rugby viewing figures have peaked at 10m
Grand National has peaked around 10m
Andy Murray Wimbledon final 13m

Aside from the superfights Boxing isn’t huge in the uk at all....

[lazboy]

Wilder will make easy work of Ortiz. He will box from the outside much like he did in the first Stiverne fight and Ortiz will be stuck in the mud all night. Ortiz's best shot at winning is getting right in Wilders chest early and catching him cold, the longer the fight goes the more it will favor the younger fresher more athletic Wilder who I assume has a better gas tank as well.

I'm gonna say TKO 11 for Wilder. Wilder will start cautious, Ortiz will slow down in the mid round, then it's only a matter of time before Wilder catches Ortiz.

I was thinking this too somewhat. Wouldn’t say easy and he (wilder) may have some awkward moments early but his athleticism, youth and long range will get the job done either late ko or decision. Not really expecting an action packed fight but who knows.

[NateJR]

Wilder will make easy work of Ortiz. He will box from the outside much like he did in the first Stiverne fight and Ortiz will be stuck in the mud all night. Ortiz's best shot at winning is getting right in Wilders chest early and catching him cold, the longer the fight goes the more it will favor the younger fresher more athletic Wilder who I assume has a better gas tank as well.

I'm gonna say TKO 11 for Wilder. Wilder will start cautious, Ortiz will slow down in the mid round, then it's only a matter of time before Wilder catches Ortiz.

I was thinking this too somewhat. Wouldn’t say easy and he (wilder) may have some awkward moments early but his athleticism, youth and long range will get the job done either late ko or decision. Not really expecting an action packed fight but who knows.

I'm taking back the "easy work" statement. Closer this fight gets the more I'm seeing this as 50/50. Wilder makes alot of mistakes, he will have to box very clean early on. I still think Wilder takes it, but not as confident as I was.

[Thomastearns]

I'm still confident that Wilder can get by Ortiz. Normally the way to beat huge punchers like Wilder is to keep countering whilst moving, to your right if it's a foe with a big single right hand.

However with Wilder it's not so easy because he has great reach and handspeed. To make matters worse for his opponent he also has lethal left hook.

Can Ortiz really risk keeping close enough to Wilder all night to attempt to nullify his power? Can Ortiz land anything significant himself? Ortiz may have the slicker skills and a better chin, but Wilder has the speed and power.

Luis Ortiz is exactly the kind of fighter wisely much avoided, high risk with low reward.
Logic though suggests that the danger Ortiz poses today will be significantly less than say 4/5 years ago.

[chuck9788]

I feel Wilders trash talk is something he uses to pump himself up. His banter comes off as petty, fake and childish. Even worse was his pathetic attempt to have his voice heard on current political and social issues. The guy about as educated as actress Jennifer Lawrence (a middle school drop out).

[Thomastearns]

I feel Wilders trash talk is something he uses to pump himself up. His banter comes off as petty, fake and childish. Even worse was his pathetic attempt to have his voice heard on current political and social issues. The guy about as educated as actress Jennifer Lawrence (a middle school drop out).

I think you're right but boxing is a dangerous sport and you don't want to go into the ring lacking self confidence.

I don't know anything about Lawrence but with Wilder I think its possible to look and listen beyond the words.

[stayinshape]

Did anybody knows, when Wilder & Ortiz Fight starts ...walk in time?