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SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 22:57 It's apparent that LuisFernando belongs in that same camp as those who believe Wilt Chamberlain and Ed Too Tall Jones would have become ATG heavyweights because they were real big guys.

He's impressed by size. Doesn't yet realize that talent can easily trump that advantage. Especially among heavyweights

I'll stick with Holyfield's quote as defining what's truly important when two men square off.

Even if it's really words of wisdom from Mark Twain.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 10:01

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 12:15 Luis: Povetkin destroyed Johann Duhaupas who stood up to Deontay Wilder until the late rounds and although beaten, left him looking pretty banged up. Sadly David Price could only ever be as tough and as durable in his sweetest dreams. Admittedly he was a late-sub but Povetkin blew him away, despite him having a considerable height advantage.

Povetkin knocked Takam out which neither Joshua nor Parker managed to do. Ok Takam isn't tall but he's tough as teak compared to Price. Wilder v Povetkin when it looked like happening was regarded by most neutrals as a genuine 50/50 fight, or those that were confident were about evenly split as to who they thought would crush the other. Deontay at 6' 7" is half a foot taller.

Being much the taller is only an advantage if you now how to exploit it. I'm not sure Price does. These days he doesn't tend to stick around long enough for the fan to formulate an opinion about that. His problems run much deeper and provided Sacha's 38 years haven't caught up with him, Price will be doing well to hear the bell for round 4.

But none of those guys are 6 foot 10 or whatever height David Price is. Keep in mind that David Price is even taller than Tyson Fury and is easily the tallest opponent Alexander Povetkin would've faced in his entire professional career.

Also keep in mind that Anthony Joshua struggled to KO Carlos Takam like he KO'ed his past opponents because he never once faced a top 10 ranked heavyweight as short as Carlos Takam.

My point is, Alexander Povetkin failing to KO David Price won't mean he is 'shot' at all. Since it's entirely possible that Alexander Povetkin could've failed to KO David Price, even during his prime since he would be facing an opponent as tall and as rangy as David Price for the first time in his pro career.

Heavy + tall opponents are usually difficult to KO. Whether one is in their 'prime' or not. Mike Tyson failed to KO opponents taller than 6 foot 3 inches, even during his prime. Most of those 6 foot 5 boxers either went the distance. Or Mike Tyson took relatively longer to KO them.

Can we really say Alexander Povetkin can generate as much punching power / force as Christian Hammer or Erken Tepper (using his relatively smaller and weaker looking body)?

A boxer may look like they have a weak chin against opponents their own size or bigger than themselves. But as soon as they face opponents much smaller. All of a sudden, their chin can appear to take punches from those smaller opponents which they can't from bigger sized opponents.

x2x wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 18:51

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 10:01

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 12:15 Luis: Povetkin destroyed Johann Duhaupas who stood up to Deontay Wilder until the late rounds and although beaten, left him looking pretty banged up. Sadly David Price could only ever be as tough and as durable in his sweetest dreams. Admittedly he was a late-sub but Povetkin blew him away, despite him having a considerable height advantage.

Povetkin knocked Takam out which neither Joshua nor Parker managed to do. Ok Takam isn't tall but he's tough as teak compared to Price. Wilder v Povetkin when it looked like happening was regarded by most neutrals as a genuine 50/50 fight, or those that were confident were about evenly split as to who they thought would crush the other. Deontay at 6' 7" is half a foot taller.

Being much the taller is only an advantage if you now how to exploit it. I'm not sure Price does. These days he doesn't tend to stick around long enough for the fan to formulate an opinion about that. His problems run much deeper and provided Sacha's 38 years haven't caught up with him, Price will be doing well to hear the bell for round 4.

But none of those guys are 6 foot 10 or whatever height David Price is. Keep in mind that David Price is even taller than Tyson Fury and is easily the tallest opponent Alexander Povetkin would've faced in his entire professional career.

Also keep in mind that Anthony Joshua struggled to KO Carlos Takam like he KO'ed his past opponents because he never once faced a top 10 ranked heavyweight as short as Carlos Takam.

My point is, Alexander Povetkin failing to KO David Price won't mean he is 'shot' at all. Since it's entirely possible that Alexander Povetkin could've failed to KO David Price, even during his prime since he would be facing an opponent as tall and as rangy as David Price for the first time in his pro career.

Heavy + tall opponents are usually difficult to KO. Whether one is in their 'prime' or not. Mike Tyson failed to KO opponents taller than 6 foot 3 inches, even during his prime. Most of those 6 foot 5 boxers either went the distance. Or Mike Tyson took relatively longer to KO them.

Can we really say Alexander Povetkin can generate as much punching power / force as Christian Hammer or Erken Tepper (using his relatively smaller and weaker looking body)?

A boxer may look like they have a weak chin against opponents their own size or bigger than themselves. But as soon as they face opponents much smaller. All of a sudden, their chin can appear to take punches from those smaller opponents which they can't from bigger sized opponents.

I don't think Pov will have any trouble with Price, but Price always has the puncher's chance, but I expect him to assume the familiar reclining on the floor position that has become familiar to him in big fights.

Povetkin over Briedis sure that's my pick. Does Briedis plan to go heavy?

Dammit boxing - get a superheavyweight division! Light heavy's 168-175 pounds. Ridiculously small parameters. But heavyweight: 201 vs. 241, 261, 361...Ridiculous!

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 07:12

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 22:57 It's apparent that LuisFernando belongs in that same camp as those who believe Wilt Chamberlain and Ed Too Tall Jones would have become ATG heavyweights because they were real big guys.

He's impressed by size. Doesn't yet realize that talent can easily trump that advantage. Especially among heavyweights

I'll stick with Holyfield's quote as defining what's truly important when two men square off.

Even if it's really words of wisdom from Mark Twain.

Size matters! Irrespective of what anybody says. Alexander Povetkin is one of my favorite boxers of all time. Unfortunately, even I have to come to the appropriate conclusion that modern super heavyweights are too big, too tall, too muscular, have too much size, possess to much physical strength and power for small heavyweights like Povetkin or Haye or Holyfield to stand a chance of being anything more than a minor nuisance. They only have the chance of a rare upset. Otherwise, they most likely get squished like bugs / small insects.

How the hell does Povetkin overcome a 100%% knockout record of Anthony Joshua? Or his immense physical muscular size? Or his significantly greater physical strength?

It's not just me, but it's the general consensus by most others that small heavyweights don't stand much of a chance against super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury or the Klitschkos.

It's unbearable to imagine how gruesomely and disgustingly Anthony Joshua would slaughter tiny Alexander Povetkin if they fight in the future with his much greater physical strength and muscular mass / size. Joshua deserves no credit for such a victory because of that! And I also believe Wladimir Klitschko may have purposefully taken it easy against Povetkin and refused to KO him, even though he had the ability to. Just so that he doesn't embarrass or humiliate him in his home country in front of his fans.

These size mismatches must be condemned!

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:54 No offense, but who really cares.

x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:50

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 07:12

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 22:57 It's apparent that LuisFernando belongs in that same camp as those who believe Wilt Chamberlain and Ed Too Tall Jones would have become ATG heavyweights because they were real big guys.

He's impressed by size. Doesn't yet realize that talent can easily trump that advantage. Especially among heavyweights

I'll stick with Holyfield's quote as defining what's truly important when two men square off.

Even if it's really words of wisdom from Mark Twain.

Size matters! Irrespective of what anybody says. Alexander Povetkin is one of my favorite boxers of all time. Unfortunately, even I have to come to the appropriate conclusion that modern super heavyweights are too big, too tall, too muscular, have too much size, possess to much physical strength and power for small heavyweights like Povetkin or Haye or Holyfield to stand a chance of being anything more than a minor nuisance. They only have the chance of a rare upset. Otherwise, they most likely get squished like bugs / small insects.

How the hell does Povetkin overcome a 100%% knockout record of Anthony Joshua? Or his immense physical muscular size? Or his significantly greater physical strength?

It's not just me, but it's the general consensus by most others that small heavyweights don't stand much of a chance against super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury or the Klitschkos.

It's unbearable to imagine how gruesomely and disgustingly Anthony Joshua would slaughter tiny Alexander Povetkin if they fight in the future with his much greater physical strength and muscular mass / size. Joshua deserves no credit for such a victory because of that! And I also believe Wladimir Klitschko may have purposefully taken it easy against Povetkin and refused to KO him, even though he had the ability to. Just so that he doesn't embarrass or humiliate him in his home country in front of his fans.

These size mismatches must be condemned!

Luis - I'm the biggest proponent of at least one more heavy weight division, and a total revamping of the current weight divisions, but Wilder weighed in at less than 215 for last night's fight against Ortiz, that's quite a bit less than Povetkin.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:45

x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:50

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 07:12

Size matters! Irrespective of what anybody says. Alexander Povetkin is one of my favorite boxers of all time. Unfortunately, even I have to come to the appropriate conclusion that modern super heavyweights are too big, too tall, too muscular, have too much size, possess to much physical strength and power for small heavyweights like Povetkin or Haye or Holyfield to stand a chance of being anything more than a minor nuisance. They only have the chance of a rare upset. Otherwise, they most likely get squished like bugs / small insects.

How the hell does Povetkin overcome a 100%% knockout record of Anthony Joshua? Or his immense physical muscular size? Or his significantly greater physical strength?

It's not just me, but it's the general consensus by most others that small heavyweights don't stand much of a chance against super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury or the Klitschkos.

It's unbearable to imagine how gruesomely and disgustingly Anthony Joshua would slaughter tiny Alexander Povetkin if they fight in the future with his much greater physical strength and muscular mass / size. Joshua deserves no credit for such a victory because of that! And I also believe Wladimir Klitschko may have purposefully taken it easy against Povetkin and refused to KO him, even though he had the ability to. Just so that he doesn't embarrass or humiliate him in his home country in front of his fans.

These size mismatches must be condemned!

Luis - I'm the biggest proponent of at least one more heavy weight division, and a total revamping of the current weight divisions, but Wilder weighed in at less than 215 for last night's fight against Ortiz, that's quite a bit less than Povetkin.

It's not just weight though. It's height and reach too. In fact, I would argue that height and reach are more important than weight in the heavyweight division. I believe there should exist height and reach divisions in the heavyweight division too.

A 6 foot 2, 225 pound heavyweight boxer with a 72 inch reach should really not be allowed to ever fight a 6 foot 7, 225 pound heavyweight with a 87 inch reach. Even though the weight is the same. There exists a huge discrepancy in height and reach. Which is further proven by Deontay Wilder's success in the heavyweight division.

x2x wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 13:54

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:45

x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:50


Luis - I'm the biggest proponent of at least one more heavy weight division, and a total revamping of the current weight divisions, but Wilder weighed in at less than 215 for last night's fight against Ortiz, that's quite a bit less than Povetkin.

It's not just weight though. It's height and reach too. In fact, I would argue that height and reach are more important than weight in the heavyweight division. I believe there should exist height and reach divisions in the heavyweight division too.

A 6 foot 2, 225 pound heavyweight boxer with a 72 inch reach should really not be allowed to ever fight a 6 foot 7, 225 pound heavyweight with a 87 inch reach. Even though the weight is the same. There exists a huge discrepancy in height and reach. Which is further proven by Deontay Wilder's success in the heavyweight division.

I disagree with you about height and reach, Luis. I think weight is the important criteria. Rocky Marciano had exceptionally short arms. Mike Tyson was shorter than everyone he ever fought I think.