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klitoris wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 19:20 Price might land a lucky big right somewhere. Might as well gamble. A win over povetkin can earn him one last big check. Povetkin is way past his prime anyways.

If odds were decent enough, I'd put money on parker for an upset stoppage, sometime around round 6-9. Otherwise its prob a Joshua UD imo.

Ortiz has no chance in my opinion. He was brought in there to lose. I wouldnt be surprised if he takes a dive. For him its about maximizing his income at this stage of his career. Plus Haymon has way too much to lose by taking a chance on wilder losing with a potential joshua matchup.

I don't know what you personally consider "decent odds" but most books will give you +900 if you favor Parker by KO.

And if you care to be specific, picking Parker to win by KO in rounds 6 or 7 is worth +5000 and a KO in rounds 8 or 9 is +6600.

And BTW, if Ortiz is concerned only with maximizing his income at this stage of his career, wouldn't it be more lucrative to try and win instead of taking a dive?

If Ortiz loses he just becomes a name opponent.

But if he wins he's a heavyweight champion and his income figures to really become maximized. Probably in the millions.

ValMar wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 17:51

Taansend wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 16:51

ValMar wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 16:01

Would you explain, please. Do you expect Parker's loss (8-4/7-5) by robbery ?

No

I think he'll lose a close fight. It seems most thinks he gets blown out easily.

We will see soon......................

That's generally how it works with fights coming up in the future.

Wales wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 20:49 Priceys chin is pound for pound one of the worst in boxing . It really is that bad.
In the run up to Thompson rematch a novice heavyweight from near me , Andy Jones, went into his camp for sparring. Jones had to leave the camp after flooring Price twice in the sparring sessions.

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/667072

Couple that with the fact Price has recently been coming into fights weighing around 275lbs (19st 9) , which is 30+ lbs heavier than he used to weigh in, it’s hard to see him doing much more than getting paid and lasting as long as he can .

I see your boy fought Moses the same guy Hughie Fury fought twice. Wonder why your guy quit boxing? Not too shabby of a record.

But I concur, the only way Price beats Povetkin is if he clocked him in the throat, balls and floored him with a hook in the first three seconds of the fight before the referee could do anything.

However Povetkin has looked extremely ordinary since being busted for PEDs, so maybe his power was mostly from the juice and little else.

Mentally he wasn’t there.
That’s my opinion anyway.

He was British super heavy amateur champion yet still looked like he lacked any confidence whatsoever going into fights.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 01:48

Wales wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018, 20:49 Priceys chin is pound for pound one of the worst in boxing . It really is that bad.
In the run up to Thompson rematch a novice heavyweight from near me , Andy Jones, went into his camp for sparring. Jones had to leave the camp after flooring Price twice in the sparring sessions.

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/667072

Couple that with the fact Price has recently been coming into fights weighing around 275lbs (19st 9) , which is 30+ lbs heavier than he used to weigh in, it’s hard to see him doing much more than getting paid and lasting as long as he can .

I see your boy fought Moses the same guy Hughie Fury fought twice. Wonder why your guy quit boxing? Not too shabby of a record.

But I concur, the only way Price beats Povetkin is if he clocked him in the throat, balls and floored him with a hook in the first three seconds of the fight before the referee could do anything.

However Povetkin has looked extremely ordinary since being busted for PEDs, so maybe his power was mostly from the juice and little else.

Meldonium doesn't influence anything, Duhaupas is just a bum and the others aren't. Povetkin also has a new trainer and realised he took risk while he didn't need to against Wach.

Doesn't influence anything? Then how come it took Wilder ten rounds to put away Duhaupas and only six for Povetkin? Why is it that Povetkin's knockouts have essentially stopped since being busted?

Rest assured that if Wilder tested positive for meldonium, asdjfkl would be railing 24/7 about what a despicable fraud and filthy cheat he is, and demanding that he be barred for life from boxing.

But when one of his idols (see Briggs. see Povetkin) comes up dirty, asdjfkl conveniently dismisses it and insists the drugs are harmless.

Yeah, that's why so many busted Russian athletes have sworn by it. It doesn't do anything.

The hypocrisy never ceases.

Price has about as little of a chance as it is possible to have. Even if he lands that "one perfect punch" it likely won't be enough. Pov whatever his faults has a solid chin and Price's power is maybe a little overrated anyway.

Parker is versatile enough to spring an upset but I really don't think he will. Any success he gets will be repaid tenfold and again maybe his power isn't good enough to turn those fewer successes into any kind of sudden KO.

Whyte-Browne could easily go either way. Whyte's a worthy favourite but the only result that'd really surprise me would be a wide Browne decision.

I reckon Ortiz is going to take out Wilder who I still see as super-vulnerable (relative to the guys at the top). Again though little could surprise me with this one. Only result that seems impossible is a dominant Ortiz decision - I'm sure Wilder will win a few rounds with his (clumsy) mobility and reach at least.

HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 02:26 Price has about as little of a chance as it is possible to have. Even if he lands that "one perfect punch" it likely won't be enough. Pov whatever his faults has a solid chin and Price's power is maybe a little overrated anyway.

Parker is versatile enough to spring an upset but I really don't think he will. Any success he gets will be repaid tenfold and again maybe his power isn't good enough to turn those fewer successes into any kind of sudden KO.

Whyte-Browne could easily go either way. Whyte's a worthy favourite but the only result that'd really surprise me would be a wide Browne decision.

I reckon Ortiz is going to take out Wilder who I still see as super-vulnerable (relative to the guys at the top). Again though little could surprise me with this one. Only result that seems impossible is a dominant Ortiz decision - I'm sure Wilder will win a few rounds with his (clumsy) mobility and reach at least.

David Price has a greater chance of beating Alexander Povetkin than Povetkin has of beating Anthony Joshua. Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua seems like a gruesome mismatch and for his sake, I hope Povetkin reconsiders even taking the fight against Joshua just so that he doesn't risk losing years from his life. Joshua is too big, too muscular, too physically strong and too powerful for Povetkin to even stand much of a chance of winning against Joshua.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 22:04 Doesn't influence anything? Then how come it took Wilder ten rounds to put away Duhaupas and only six for Povetkin? Why is it that Povetkin's knockouts have essentially stopped since being busted?

Johan Duhapas most likely took a dive against Povetkin. Duhapas didn't even look at all bothered by any of Povetkin's punches, prior to the knockout.

Povetkin couldn't hurt Mariusz Wach, even if he wanted to. Nor could he bother the Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury with his best punches.

And as far as Carlos Takam and Mike Perez are concerned, both guys are his own size so it makes sense that he was able to KO them.

Povetkin, I repeat, Povetkin stands nearly no chance at winning against athletic giant super heavyweights. Nor does any boxer in history that is shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in height. The time for small heavyweights are over today. It's about time we embrace the idea of super heavyweights that lack skills, but are physically stronger, more muscular, bigger framed, more powerful and taller to be the only species surviving in the heavyweight division.

Everyone is on PED today in the 21st century. It makes pretty much no difference! This is the era of artificially and chemically enhanced humans and athletes.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Feb 2018, 22:31 Rest assured that if Wilder tested positive for meldonium, asdjfkl would be railing 24/7 about what a despicable fraud and filthy cheat he is, and demanding that he be barred for life from boxing.

But when one of his idols (see Briggs. see Povetkin) comes up dirty, asdjfkl conveniently dismisses it and insists the drugs are harmless.

Yeah, that's why so many busted Russian athletes have sworn by it. It doesn't do anything.

The hypocrisy never ceases.

There exists no such thing as 100% clean and natural athletes in an era, when the entire world is more than 50% unnatural and unclean and artificial. Unless such athletes are living in caveman societies.

Never mind athletes, even every day average humans from 1st or 2nd world countries are enhanced or affected in someway or another through artificial chemicals.

Even beef, fruits and medicine can be considered 'PED', since they are artificial chemicals / contain artificial chemicals which humans consume from 1st or 2nd world countries.

Thus, if a person consumes a beef that is pumped with steroids, then they might as well be considered a 'PED' user. What is considered a legal and an illegal PED is totally arbitrary without any objective logical basis.

Thus, it really doesn't matter if boxers are consuming PED. Allow them! It's not really a question of IF a boxer is consuming PED in the 21st century but rather, it's a question of WHY they shouldn't be allowed to in the 21st century?

Loki wrote: ↑25 Feb 2018, 12:29 Wilder v Ortiz
Whyte v Browne
Povetkin v Price
Joshua v Parker

Great month for HW fights (fingers cross they happen). Does anyone see a raft of upsets?

Not sure exactly why, but I’ve got a feeling we will see some upsets! Apart from Povetkin v Price, I can see Ortiz, Browne and possibly Parker pulling off big upsets.

It’s the HWs, so one punch can change anything. I really fancy Ortiz to KO Wilder and Browne to KO Whyte. The reason for the AJ doubt is mainly due to his weight. If he comes in at 18st or over, I’ll put some £ on Parker.

Can I be sceptical and ask a question ... which winners of these fights would the majority of the general public pay to watch?

..I don't see any upsets, but I very much hope there'll be some..

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 06:46
David Price has a greater chance of beating Alexander Povetkin than Povetkin has of beating Anthony Joshua.

Did you see the Price V Teper fight? 2 rounds of complete dis interest and an example of how a fighter can become a shadow of his former self

Price got oke skills and size, just not the fighters spirit and the chin, in the amateurs it's all about pointscoring, I guess that's where he's actually quite good at.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑02 Mar 2018, 23:44 Price got oke skills and size, just not the fighters spirit and the chin, in the amateurs it's all about pointscoring, I guess that's where he's actually quite good at.

And I think he carried that into pros until he got his heart broken
Worst thing in that Teper clip (above) was his jab , or attempted jab, or basically lack of

His jab was pathetic

I think for there to be an upset one fighter has to be favored significantly so I don't really think Whyte/Browne qualify. I'm picking Browne in that fight FWIW. Price over Povetkin would certainly be an upset, but I don't see that happening.

I think Parker/AJ will be a much better fight than most are saying. I'm not willing to go out on a limb yet and pick Parker, but if AJ comes in heavy again I think Parker can and will spring the upset.

In terms of Wilder/Ortiz, I'm picking Wilder simply because his power is special. Both these guys are really unknown commodities. Ortiz looked great for exactly one fight of his career, and Wilder has fed on the bottom. A win from either wouldn't really qualify as a true upset to me.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 13:36 I think for there to be an upset one fighter has to be favored significantly so I don't really think Whyte/Browne qualify. I'm picking Browne in that fight FWIW. Price over Povetkin would certainly be an upset, but I don't see that happening.

I think Parker/AJ will be a much better fight than most are saying. I'm not willing to go out on a limb yet and pick Parker, but if AJ comes in heavy again I think Parker can and will spring the upset.

In terms of Wilder/Ortiz, I'm picking Wilder simply because his power is special. Both these guys are really unknown commodities. Ortiz looked great for exactly one fight of his career, and Wilder has fed on the bottom. A win from either wouldn't really qualify as a true upset to me.

And Ortiz hasn't fed on the bottom?

Was his great night the one against Jennings? So what. Jennings is just a small footnote in boxing annals.

Beating him isn't something reserved for only the ATG elites.

If you're a top 5 or 6 heavy, you should beat Jennings who was really just a fringe contender.

Wilder and Ortiz are even up on resumes. Wilder, by far, is the best guy Ortiz has ever fought.

The Cuban's record isn't exactly filled with elites either.

Povetkin generally doesn't do that well against taller boxers. Price isn't good enough, or confident enough for that to matter though. I don't see Povetkin blowing through him, due to size, but I do see him dominating every round before going for the kill sometime around the 8th.

Joshua vs Parker? Parker would have to resort to his older style where he keeps his feet moving, and focuses on handspeed, hoping he can avoid something big for 12 rounds. I think he'll just be too static, so as robotic as Joshua is, Parker will just be eating his jab all night before getting stopped late.

Ortiz, assuming he's not really 67, is pretty difficult to hit, and a very good counter puncher. If Wilder wants to make a statement to the boxing world, I think that plays into Ortiz's hands. Ortiz looks worse when his opponents back off him and he has to take the initiative. I'm not sure Wilder will be content to stick and move for 12. He's a frustrated man, and I expect him to try to take Ortiz' head off at some point... Ortiz could end up comfortably outboxing a desperate Wilder over 12, getting a decision that's much closer on the cards than the action in the ring suggests it should be. A stick and move Wilder still gets outboxed, but it's closer and he gets the official decision.

I don't see a KO, thinking about it. I'm 60/40 in favour of Ortiz now though. My record lately hasn't been great - only scored 1 from the last 3 in PTBF - so we'll see.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 15:18 Povetkin generally doesn't do that well against taller boxers.

I'm not sure I understand this. I believe Povetkin has only fought 5 fighters over 6'5, and he's 4-1 in those fights with 3 of 4 coming by stoppage and the UD being a dominant shut out of Nicolai Firtha like almost 10 years ago. Losing to Wlad doesn't mean someone generally doesn't do that well against taller boxers.

HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote: ↑01 Mar 2018, 02:26 Price has about as little of a chance as it is possible to have. Even if he lands that "one perfect punch" it likely won't be enough. Pov whatever his faults has a solid chin and Price's power is maybe a little overrated anyway.

Parker is versatile enough to spring an upset but I really don't think he will. Any success he gets will be repaid tenfold and again maybe his power isn't good enough to turn those fewer successes into any kind of sudden KO.

Whyte-Browne could easily go either way. Whyte's a worthy favourite but the only result that'd really surprise me would be a wide Browne decision.

I reckon Ortiz is going to take out Wilder who I still see as super-vulnerable (relative to the guys at the top). Again though little could surprise me with this one. Only result that seems impossible is a dominant Ortiz decision - I'm sure Wilder will win a few rounds with his (clumsy) mobility and reach at least.

Good post. I agree with all of it.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 13:36 I think for there to be an upset one fighter has to be favored significantly so I don't really think Whyte/Browne qualify. I'm picking Browne in that fight FWIW. Price over Povetkin would certainly be an upset, but I don't see that happening.

I think Parker/AJ will be a much better fight than most are saying. I'm not willing to go out on a limb yet and pick Parker, but if AJ comes in heavy again I think Parker can and will spring the upset.

In terms of Wilder/Ortiz, I'm picking Wilder simply because his power is special. Both these guys are really unknown commodities. Ortiz looked great for exactly one fight of his career, and Wilder has fed on the bottom. A win from either wouldn't really qualify as a true upset to me.

I also agree with this, apart from the Wilder/Ortiz section. I feel Ortiz, just a feeling, catches Deontay and stops him.

Loki wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 15:57

punchoutsb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 13:36 I think for there to be an upset one fighter has to be favored significantly so I don't really think Whyte/Browne qualify. I'm picking Browne in that fight FWIW. Price over Povetkin would certainly be an upset, but I don't see that happening.

I think Parker/AJ will be a much better fight than most are saying. I'm not willing to go out on a limb yet and pick Parker, but if AJ comes in heavy again I think Parker can and will spring the upset.

In terms of Wilder/Ortiz, I'm picking Wilder simply because his power is special. Both these guys are really unknown commodities. Ortiz looked great for exactly one fight of his career, and Wilder has fed on the bottom. A win from either wouldn't really qualify as a true upset to me.

I also agree with this, apart from the Wilder/Ortiz section. I feel Ortiz, just a feeling, catches Deontay and stops him.

Really I wouldn't be surprised by that either. Ortiz seems sluggish and lethargic which I don't think will serve him well against Wilder and his windmillish aggression. As I said, the only reason I'm picking Wilder is because his power is frightful and he seems to have no fear right now. I do think he is the more fragile of the two so if Ortiz lands it's likely going to do damage, but I'm not sure he has the workrate to do it. That's why a win by either man wouldn't really classify as an upset to me. I know Wilder is the big favorite, but honestly they both have a lot of unknowns and I see the fight as even.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 16:06

Loki wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 15:57

punchoutsb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 13:36 I think for there to be an upset one fighter has to be favored significantly so I don't really think Whyte/Browne qualify. I'm picking Browne in that fight FWIW. Price over Povetkin would certainly be an upset, but I don't see that happening.

I think Parker/AJ will be a much better fight than most are saying. I'm not willing to go out on a limb yet and pick Parker, but if AJ comes in heavy again I think Parker can and will spring the upset.

In terms of Wilder/Ortiz, I'm picking Wilder simply because his power is special. Both these guys are really unknown commodities. Ortiz looked great for exactly one fight of his career, and Wilder has fed on the bottom. A win from either wouldn't really qualify as a true upset to me.

I also agree with this, apart from the Wilder/Ortiz section. I feel Ortiz, just a feeling, catches Deontay and stops him.

Really I wouldn't be surprised by that either. Ortiz seems sluggish and lethargic which I don't think will serve him well against Wilder and his windmillish aggression. As I said, the only reason I'm picking Wilder is because his power is frightful and he seems to have no fear right now. I do think he is the more fragile of the two so if Ortiz lands it's likely going to do damage, but I'm not sure he has the workrate to do it. That's why a win by either man wouldn't really classify as an upset to me. I know Wilder is the big favorite, but honestly they both have a lot of unknowns and I see the fight as even.

I think Ortiz is being based on his last three performances; take the PEDs out the equation - southpaw, excellent counterpuncher, KO power in both hands, 300 plus am fights, Cuban (will be first HW champ) and appears have have a great beard. These make him very dangerous to a fighter that makes mistakes.

But, he’s alleged to be mid-forties, can be lethargic, struggles when opponents are mobile as he prefers fighters coming to him and is PED free (arguably).

I’ve put £50 on him to stop Wilder. Odds were really good and I’m not convinced with Wilder. But, if Deontay lands, Ortiz will be in trouble.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 15:29

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 15:18 Povetkin generally doesn't do that well against taller boxers.

I'm not sure I understand this. I believe Povetkin has only fought 5 fighters over 6'5, and he's 4-1 in those fights with 3 of 4 coming by stoppage and the UD being a dominant shut out of Nicolai Firtha like almost 10 years ago. Losing to Wlad doesn't mean someone generally doesn't do that well against taller boxers.

I just mean he doesn't look as explosive. Nothing to do with the results. The fighters he walks through in a few rounds just tend not to be huge (Perez, Duhaupas etc). Reading back, I didn't really word it right.