Wouldn't have bought him any extra time if they did it in between rounds.
Yes. How can they explain that in the case of investigation by Athletic Commision? Doctor will probably say he noticed that Wilder was coming from his corner on the unsteady legs and thus decided to check his eyes to be sure he was able to continue.
There won't be an investigation. The Commissions judges had Wilder ahead coming into the 10th unanimously...they knew what was up.
When has a boxing commission ever honestly investigated anything? It's almost like asking the head cosa nostra capos to have a sitdown and investigate possible illegal activities in the mafia.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Boxing Writer wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 02:02
Yes. How can they explain that in the case of investigation by Athletic Commision? Doctor will probably say he noticed that Wilder was coming from his corner on the unsteady legs and thus decided to check his eyes to be sure he was able to continue.
There won't be an investigation. The Commissions judges had Wilder ahead coming into the 10th unanimously...they knew what was up.
When has a boxing commission ever honestly investigated anything? It's almost like asking the head cosa nostra capos to have a sitdown and investigate possible illegal activities in the mafia.
Yeah I know. In this case they won't even pretend to investigate it. In all fairness, I don't expect the issue will be raised where they'd be asked to investigate.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 03:28
by armageto
I've seen them check fighters like that in NY before. Was it unfair to Ortiz, somewhat. Do I think those 10 seconds lost the fight for him, no. He had plenty of time to stop Wilder in the previous round and it was apparent Wilder wasn't fully recovered in the next round. His beard did absolutely nothing to absorb punishment.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:06
How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin. Since when are beards allowed in boxing?
Are you serious? It’s minimal and they’re not banned. It’s up to the opponent to agree whether they’re comfortable with it.
Anyway, the reason some boxers ask opponents to shave is mainly so they can clearly see their opponents chin and to prevent further damage if cut.
It's so a bearded opponent can't rub a course beard into cuts to worsen them.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:06
How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin. Since when are beards allowed in boxing?
Either grow a beard or wear a fake one and punch yourself repeatedly in the face with really powerful blows to measure the pain.
Then remove the beard and punch yourself again in the same vein as the previous test to compare any difference in the amount of pain being felt.
I think to adopt a scientifically correct approach, you should also perform a street survey and ask the people passing by to punch you repeatedly really hard, with or without the beard, to see if the results are consistent.
When you've performed those tests, please disclose them to the forum so we can laugh at your utterly ridiculous opinions!
I meant what I said previously, you should take my advice by performing these tests to confirm or undermine the absurd nature of your preposterous claim.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 07:26
by marvelous marv
There are some active fighters that feel a beard makes you more vulnerable to knockouts. The theory is that it causes more trauma to the nerve endings in the face when struck. Bernard Hopkins is a big supporter of this theory. Rarely do his fighters have facial hair.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:06
How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin. Since when are beards allowed in boxing?
Either grow a beard or wear a fake one and punch yourself repeatedly in the face with really powerful blows to measure the pain.
Then remove the beard and punch yourself again in the same vein as the previous test to compare any difference in the amount of pain being felt.
I think to adopt a scientifically correct approach, you should also perform a street survey and ask the people passing by to punch you repeatedly really hard, with or without the beard, to see if the results are consistent.
When you've performed those tests, please disclose them to the forum so we can laugh at your utterly ridiculous opinions!
I meant what I said previously, you should take my advice by performing these tests to confirm or undermine the absurd nature of your preposterous claim.
I just asked Wilder, when he punched a guy with a beard he broke his hand, when he did it again with someone else who also had a beard he broke his hand again. Later, when he punched Szpilka, Szpilka went KO without breaking Wilder his hand, when he punched a girl he didn't break his hand either.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
I don't know. I've never seen it before. Not without a guy being cut.
I couldn't see it clearly. It looked like the ref wanted the doctor to look at Wilder's face. But if so, why after the round started and not between rounds?
It was obviously done with the intent to give him more time to recover. Malignaggi called 'em out on it too. I'd assume they'd say they were just being cautious and checking to see if he showed signs of a concussion, but I've literally never seen them do that before tonight in any fight.
I really doubt that, unless they paid the doctor or ref off, like you are insinuating. Wilder had better not get hurt at all against AJ, or they will stop the fight early like they did with Wlad and Takam. They need to investigate that too, if they investigate something like you are suggesting. Equally stupid and a waste of time.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
I couldn't see it clearly. It looked like the ref wanted the doctor to look at Wilder's face. But if so, why after the round started and not between rounds?
It was obviously done with the intent to give him more time to recover. Malignaggi called 'em out on it too. I'd assume they'd say they were just being cautious and checking to see if he showed signs of a concussion, but I've literally never seen them do that before tonight in any fight.
I really doubt that, unless they paid the doctor or ref off, like you are insinuating. Wilder had better not get hurt at all against AJ, or they will stop the fight early like they did with Wlad and Takam. They need to investigate that too, if they investigate something like you are suggesting. Equally stupid and a waste of time.
One way or another, he just had 23 seconds extra recovery time and on top of that a shorter round for no reason, even the commentators said it immedietly and he might have got KOed if he didn't have that extra recovery time.
37:20
It's obvious, no discussion about it, coincidence or not, it's the same referee as AJ vs Wlad.
Still, Wilder was the best men of the night I think, he just finally stood up
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 09:13
by jamesmcdonnell
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:29
"One of the most ridiculous topics I've seen in Current Scene in a long time!! "
Really? Then why was Tyson Fury ordered to shave his beard off before his fight with Chisora? Why have beards alwaor even been banned in boxing? Can you find a photo of a boxer from the past with a beard? Of course beards act as a cushion. Would you prefer to get hit on your bare jawbone or have your jawbone proted by a big mountain man beard, or even a strategically placed jaw beard like Wilder was sporting? I think the answer is obvious.
You need medicating.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 09:29
by Taansend
I remember once this ex girlfriend kicked me in the balls but luckily it didn't hurt as my pubes stopped the force of the kick
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 09:36
by chuck9788
I've heard boxers say that having a beard in the ring is a bad thing, because it allows opponents to radar their punches more accurately to the face. Trainers will advise their fighters to "hit the beard".
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:51
I couldn't see it clearly. It looked like the ref wanted the doctor to look at Wilder's face. But if so, why after the round started and not between rounds?
It was obviously done with the intent to give him more time to recover. Malignaggi called 'em out on it too. I'd assume they'd say they were just being cautious and checking to see if he showed signs of a concussion, but I've literally never seen them do that before tonight in any fight.
I really doubt that, unless they paid the doctor or ref off, like you are insinuating. Wilder had better not get hurt at all against AJ, or they will stop the fight early like they did with Wlad and Takam. They need to investigate that too, if they investigate something like you are suggesting. Equally stupid and a waste of time.
If anyone wants to see the early stoppage (by an American referee) of Klitschko by Joshua here it is. It's just after the two knockdowns and where Klitschko is taking punches in the corner then doesn't complain when saved from punishment.
It obviously needs investigating
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
I couldn't see it clearly. It looked like the ref wanted the doctor to look at Wilder's face. But if so, why after the round started and not between rounds?
It was obviously done with the intent to give him more time to recover. Malignaggi called 'em out on it too. I'd assume they'd say they were just being cautious and checking to see if he showed signs of a concussion, but I've literally never seen them do that before tonight in any fight.
I really doubt that, unless they paid the doctor or ref off, like you are insinuating. Wilder had better not get hurt at all against AJ, or they will stop the fight early like they did with Wlad and Takam. They need to investigate that too, if they investigate something like you are suggesting. Equally stupid and a waste of time.
I never suggested that they investigate anything.
AJ's stoppage of Takam was definitely weirdly early, the stoppage of Wlad wasn't early at all.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Wouldn't have bought him any extra time if they did it in between rounds.
Yes. How can they explain that in the case of investigation by Athletic Commision? Doctor will probably say he noticed that Wilder was coming from his corner on the unsteady legs and thus decided to check his eyes to be sure he was able to continue.
There won't be an investigation. The Commissions judges had Wilder ahead coming into the 10th unanimously...they knew what was up.
Another "epic" of Gilgamesh...lol
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 14:22
by gilgamesh
I don't know about "Epic"...more like an excerpt from Reader's Digest
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 14:26
by Tony1244
The extra 19 seconds before the 8th round is a bigger controversy as others alluded to.
Corruption may be a bit strong. They can use the Abdusalov injury as a somewhat valid excuse, ie. safety first.
But they did have 60 seconds to check.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 14:28
by marvelous marv
I have seen doctors do this in over 100 fights with the NY commission.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:06
How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin. Since when are beards allowed in boxing?
Are you serious? It’s minimal and they’re not banned. It’s up to the opponent to agree whether they’re comfortable with it.
Anyway, the reason some boxers ask opponents to shave is mainly so they can clearly see their opponents chin and to prevent further damage if cut.
It's so a bearded opponent can't rub a course beard into cuts to worsen them.
That would be another reason, tho in the Lewis-Vitali fight Lewis was continuously rubbing his glove lacing and his steel wool hair into Vitali's face.
As usual, just extrapolate the question into an extreme to see the logic. If I were to show up with a big mountain man beard you don't think that would cushion my jawbone from a blow? Of course it would. Beards are not supposed to be allowed in boxing period. They never were. Tyson Fury was ordered to shave off his beard before the Chisora fight. Suddenly the rules against beards aren't being enforced. Ortiz' people were remiss in not protesting.
That ref should be explaining his action giving Wilder extra time to recover in round eight when he was, as they used to say, on queer street, but since this is boxing he won't have to. The boxing capos wanted him to win.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 14:44
by Ilya Muromets
marvelous marv wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:28
I have seen doctors do this in over 100 fights with the NY commission.
Pause a fight at the very beginning of a round before anything happened?
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 14:53
by oogiebe
Beards don't cushion blows. Most opponents ask for the shaving to avoid irritation as fighters would get in close and rub. If you've never been in the ring, it's very distracting when your face and chest are raw. Joe Frazier was a master at that.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 14:54
by marvelous marv
Yes. It began last year after the ban on NY boxing was lifted due to the Abdusalmov law suit. If I go thru the fights in NY since then I can find a few examples where it happened on a broadcast.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 14:57
by oogiebe
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:22
I don't know about "Epic"...more like an excerpt from Reader's Digest
lol!
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
Posted: 04 Mar 2018, 14:58
by Ilya Muromets
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:53
Beards don't cushion blows. Most opponents ask for the shaving to avoid irritation as fighters would get in close and rub. If you've never been in the ring, it's very distracting when your face and chest are raw. Joe Frazier was a master at that.
A five o'clock shadow is like sandpaper and rougher rubbed on the face than a full beard. Anyway, I don't recall ever seeing a boxer with a beard trying to rub it into his opponent's face. The reason is cushioning.
Re: How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning chin beard give him?
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:53
Beards don't cushion blows. Most opponents ask for the shaving to avoid irritation as fighters would get in close and rub. If you've never been in the ring, it's very distracting when your face and chest are raw. Joe Frazier was a master at that.
A five o'clock shadow is like sandpaper and rougher rubbed on the face than a full beard. Anyway, I don't recall ever seeing a boxer with a beard trying to rub it into his opponent's face. The reason is cushioning.
John Ruiz kinda did it sometimes. The rubbing it into his opponent's face thing.
